Impey cooked

[Fzotrlool]

So will Impey go with the gout defence? that would be pretty good.

Skimming the responses to that tweet, the bots seem quite angry.

Yeah, but to be fair, less than half of these people really care about cycling. so I wouldn't call them bots. Just stupid nationalists.

 

[Fzotrlool]

That's your idea of ballsy? Sounds more like cowardly to me.

Going against a national team sponsored by a UK channel when you are a Briton is pretty ballsy to me.

 

[Benotti69]

Impey didn't just fail a dope test he failed an IQ test. Probenecid is easy to test for. This was not an OOC test but one done right after the SA champs.

Why blame Impey? Probably the team told him what to take and when.

I dont believe riders are going off to find doping doctors on their own. I still mostly think it is in-house programs, otherwise why do teams need more than 1 Doctor?

 

[Merckx index]

Sample taken, delivered to the lab. You can expect a wait of anywhere around two months probably depending on how busy they are and what other things they have to run (big tournaments and international sporting events such as the world cup or the olympics will get pretty much instant access).

Or the TDF. Floyd's positive was announced a few days after the Tour was finished. Contador was notified within a few weeks.

But what about Rogers CB positive earlier this year? That was announced pretty soon after the race, wasn't it? Not saying it can't take a lot longer, but my impression is that there have been a lot of instances in which the sample is tested and the rider notified quite quickly.

You said A AND B sample. There was no news of B Sample (after A sample in May and result in June) until September, and that's win no tester dying. Feb to June or June to Sept, not wildly different.

Once the rider is notified about the A, he makes the decision about when to test for the B, since he has the option to be present when it's opened and analyzed. It can be done very soon after the A, and if it's not, that is probably on the rider. I may be wrong, but I think it's pretty rare that four months elapses between giving a sample and having it tested and notifying the rider.

 

[Colonel]

Nonzense, she wuz part of the ameublement from when they were both still snotnosed....knew the world in Jozi.

I wish people knew her from when she was back in SA Latrinus....I really do.

 

[Parker]

I still mostly think it is in-house programs, otherwise why do teams need more than 1 Doctor?

Because (a) teams are often doing more than one race at the same time and (b) most of the doctors are only part time.

 

[Colonel]

What, we all have his email address?.....William Newman was asleep again.

That and some other stuff as you are well aware Im sure.

 

[sniper]

Impey didn't just fail a dope test he failed an IQ test. Probenecid is easy to test for. This was not an OOC test but one done right after the SA champs.

where he got first place in the TT and second place on the road (behind 21 year old meintjes).
well prepared he was.

 

[Race Radio]

Why blame Impey? Probably the team told him what to take and when.

I dont believe riders are going off to find doping doctors on their own. I still mostly think it is in-house programs, otherwise why do teams need more than 1 Doctor?

I doubt Green Edge has a doctor in SA in the off season.

I can understand why he would use it. Off season is certainly the time when riders take many of the products that it would help mask......but is he so disorganized that he cannot plan his program so he can ride nationals without a risk?

It is dumb, just dumb.

 

[Arnout]

^^ Probably didn't expect the testing infrastructure to exist in SA (maybe based on previous experience).

 

[Benotti69]

Because (a) teams are often doing more than one race at the same time and (b) most of the doctors are only part time.

Christophe Bassons never was used the team doctor.

I think that tells us all we need to know about why teams have doctors.

All races have a doctor provided by the race organiser. Team doctors are more for the programs than anything else.

 

[sniper]

^^ Probably didn't expect the testing infrastructure to exist in SA (maybe based on previous experience).

this occurred to me as well.
but then why mask anything in the first place?

 

[Benotti69]

I doubt Green Edge has a doctor in SA in the off season.

I can understand why he would use it. Off season is certainly the time when riders take many of the products that it would help mask......but is he so disorganized that he cannot plan his program so he can ride nationals without a risk?

It is dumb, just dumb.

If riders are taking products in the off season, would that be under team doctor's directions? I would've thought so. Orica have experts in that field with Matty White and Neil Stephens. Although i did notice their team doctors are not on their website for the general public to browse, one needs to provide an email address to get that info!

Yeah Impey was dumb not to know what he was taking, but maybe most pros just follow team doctors orders. I remember Mercier telling the story of the bag of dope he was given and when he asked what it was he was not given a direct detailed answer and i imagine that goes for most teams out there. Riders are told take this pill on this day followed by this one at this time etc...when they ask questions they get answers like, "do you want to race or not?"

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Impey interview now http://www.ballz.co.za/listen-watch.php

 

[del1962]

me too.
a real pity he failed the IQ test.

So you are not really anti-doping

 

[sniper]

So you are not really anti-doping

i agree with you he and kreuziger aint small fish.
that said, i don't doubt the real big fish are protected.

anyway, i don't think ASO are happy with this positive.
they should pick their jellow jerseys more carefully.
pick smarter ones.

 

[del1962]

Matt Slater
‏@mattslaterbbc
Probecenid is primarily a gout treatment that has also been used as a masking agent. Impey, FWIW, is a former teammate of Froome's

Ballsy Brit. Reporter for the BBC. Follow him! He seems to be more critical than most British reporters.

That's your idea of ballsy? Sounds more like cowardly to me.

Neither ballsy or cowardly, he is just reporting what will be said anyway, whether fairly or unfairly.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

I find this to be disappointing, at best. Was hoping (blindly, I know) that Impey was a clean rider as he's had a rather strong anti-doping stance in the past. Then again, we've seen this movie many times before, haven't we?

As to what happened, I imagine RR is correct. He's aging, trying to get through another good year, dopes in the off season, tries to mask it with this, and isn't wise enough to stay out of the way of the vampires.

 

[Race Radio]

If riders are taking products in the off season, would that be under team doctor's directions? I would've thought so. Orica have experts in that field with Matty White and Neil Stephens. Although i did notice their team doctors are not on their website for the general public to browse, one needs to provide an email address to get that info!

Yeah Impey was dumb not to know what he was taking, but maybe most pros just follow team doctors orders. I remember Mercier telling the story of the bag of dope he was given and when he asked what it was he was not given a direct detailed answer and i imagine that goes for most teams out there. Riders are told take this pill on this day followed by this one at this time etc...when they ask questions they get answers like, "do you want to race or not?"

The examples you are giving are close to 20 years old. I do not think many team doctors are willing to take that level of risk these days.

There are plenty of places to get dope in South Africa.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

ive also seen probenacid used in combination with antibiotic treatments when using cephalosporins for example, maybe he had a skin infection, or an STD or something?

all that info is asked before they take the sample: please fill out this form and state any training at altitude, sickness, medication, etc. All that information is then taken into account when analysing the BP profile of an athlete, and, I believe, stored along with their test results in the ADAMS database.

 

[Tommy2cans]

http://coachsci.sdsu.edu/csa/vol56/rushall5.htm

Found this really interested article, if there is a small trace of Probenecid in sample would suggest it was error as would need a large dose to be used as masking agent.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out but should be clear if blatant doping or genuine error

 

[Energy Starr]

Not getting into a personal thing but I know very well the reasoning behind JLA retirement - both times - without putting his personal info on a forum which I hope you respect and understand while Im sure he wouldnt want it on here.

He asked how you know, not what the reason is.

 

[TailWindHome]

Matt Slater @mattslaterbbc · 5h

Interesting response to my 'FWIW' re: Impey/Froome...50/50 on 'lazy journalism' vs 'spot on'...says much to me about where cycling is

 

[Dear Wiggo]

http://coachsci.sdsu.edu/csa/vol56/rushall5.htm

Found this really interested article, if there is a small trace of Probenecid in sample would suggest it was error as would need a large dose to be used as masking agent.

It will be interesting to see how this plays out but should be clear if blatant doping or genuine error

Haven't read the article but remember: champs are 4th - 9th Feb.

His TT was on day 3 (6th) - when he got tested. But he was also tested on day 5 (8th) - the day before the RR, and then day 6 (9th) when he came second in the RR.

ie he would have expected to be tested at any point in time. Still hot / glowing so takes some mask thinking they may not test for this mask, and by day 3 of the champs it's almost gone. Just a little bit left.

By day 5 it is definitely all gone.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Impey says: the positive from the 6th was a shock coz the 8th and 9th were clean.

Whereas in his place, as someone who is definitely clean, I would have said: the positive from the 6th was a shock coz I don't have gout and I don't take that drug.