Is Lance a LOT cleaner than most of us think?

[online-rider]

Hello too all
sure let say he a very very complete race biking the shape.the posture hes a figther the more he get annoy the more he found energy so at this level of fitness and hes genius ability he do not need too take much of drug if he do you only gulty if you found gulty anywhere some riders or are donkey sure they need the top drug too performe that the real issue so in the end of the day MR LANDIS was a donkey that why he required so much doping he get court then he blame everybody MR LANDIS forget without drugs it would never make a penny so what ever happen he must be thankfull too the ex USPostal that all hes a traitor,lyer,he need a lot of care the guy hes on a very bad trip depression.

Um......Could you rephrase that ?

 

[scribe]

It all depends on how you define a "cheat"? Is hanging out with strippers at a well known strip club in Austin (according to the WSJ) while you are married cheating? I am not sure so perhaps you could answer that. If yes, it makes it a lot easier to connect the dots.

Sartain

And red lights too. California stops.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Hello too all
sure let say he a very very complete race biking the shape.the posture hes a figther the more he get annoy the more he found energy so at this level of fitness and hes genius ability he do not need too take much of drug if he do you only gulty if you found gulty anywhere some riders or are donkey sure they need the top drug too performe that the real issue so in the end of the day MR LANDIS was a donkey that why he required so much doping he get court then he blame everybody MR LANDIS forget without drugs it would never make a penny so what ever happen he must be thankfull too the ex USPostal that all hes a traitor,lyer,he need a lot of care the guy hes on a very bad trip depression.

Hey are you the same person from Dell customer support I spoke to this morning?

 

[Hugh Januss]

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Hello all too.
I not sure what you saying are. Lance bikracer are Floyd not now. Lance piledrive Floyd up the yahoo, Floyd like not, Floyd try to screw Lance back. Will work not or, have to see maybe later.Lance got topest drug their be he it can aford. Past MacQuird luv Lance long time all ways to bank. Jance presents him give he he Fance helps never have worry of dop test never care. Cancer Cance beat two Lancer hate cancer he fight everywhere he grate manfrom this every h8r leave him alon should.

 

[SpartacusRox]

Yeah, the other g.c.contenders may be conservative in their doping so they don't get caught, but Lance is so arrogant that he'll just keep up his regular program...sure he'll benefit from increased screening, he's already paid off the testers. Business as usual.

Yep he must have paid off every tester, the labs, WADA as well as the UCI over the past two years to not have failed a test...amazing.

 

[WonderLance]

Grow up haters, Lance is kicking it this year in the only race that matters. Already put 5 seconds into little Berty Beatle. Lets see him get that back in the montains when Lance is dancing on the pedals.

Sit back, grow up, chill out and watch Lance dominate like its 1999 all over again.

 

[wiry pyruvity]

Grow up haters, Lance is kicking it this year in the only race that matters. Already put 5 seconds into little Berty Beatle. Lets see him get that back in the montains when Lance is dancing on the pedals.

Sit back, grow up, chill out and watch Lance dominate like its 1999 all over again.

ooof...we'll see...i remember waiting for him to come apart last year. but he didn't...he doesn't do so well in hilly stages, thoug...perhaps someone will exploit that.

 

[pedaling squares]

Maybe Lance has not tested positive for EPO since 1999 because he has not used EPO since 1999?

Remember Floyd's comments about the Tour de Suisse 2001?

 

[pedaling squares]

Hello too all
sure let say he a very very complete race biking the shape.the posture hes a figther the more he get annoy the more he found energy so at this level of fitness and hes genius ability he do not need too take much of drug if he do you only gulty if you found gulty anywhere some riders or are donkey sure they need the top drug too performe that the real issue so in the end of the day MR LANDIS was a donkey that why he required so much doping he get court then he blame everybody MR LANDIS forget without drugs it would never make a penny so what ever happen he must be thankfull too the ex USPostal that all hes a traitor,lyer,he need a lot of care the guy hes on a very bad trip depression.

Do you have a first language?

 

[Barrus]

Just like you think I did to you velo, you just did the same thing to me. I've read the book but unfortunatly its all He Said This, He Said That.Unless there is pictures or something tangeable not the word of someone who fought as hard as Landis did to defend a lie. Please I already know what half of you are thinking and going to say. I know you ALL "know" Lance is a cheater and a doper but untill its proven I don't agree. But in the case that it is proven, there will be no one who I dislike more than lance for defrauding his fans and most of the public.

perhaps the 1999 EPO samples?

BTW will people please stop quoting the mentally challenged, or at least linguisticly challenged person? Her posts make my head hurt

 

[rhubroma]

Grow up haters, Lance is kicking it this year in the only race that matters. Already put 5 seconds into little Berty Beatle. Lets see him get that back in the montains when Lance is dancing on the pedals.

Sit back, grow up, chill out and watch Lance dominate like its 1999 all over again.

My interpretation. Lance, fresh off TdS, is more explosive right now. Conti did more endurance, diesel prep and is missing a bit of racing finese not having raced since the Dauphine. Dito for Basso, though he expected as much.

PS. Lance will be droped on the Tourmalet. His age will be decisive and his upper mass. End of story.

 

[benlondon]

No Spartacus, Millar & Martin are not dopers..

So I guess by your logic Fabian and the other three ahead of LA are all dopers too?


Riders who started first, ala, Tony Martin, didn't have bad conditions, as did the last 10 or so. Many of the riders who rode in the middle had to contend with very wet corners and wind. Where did Jens start? How has he done in the run-up to the tour for his prep?


I'm not defending LA but he looks as fit as he did when winning previous TDF's. Lost much of the upper body muscle and shed any excess weight. That could have a bit to do with it... possibly?

No I don't think the three ahead of LA are dopers. I have never read any remotely convincing evidence that Cancellera, Millar & Martin are currently doping. However I have read all the literature on Armstrong and you'd have to be a cretinous imbecile to believe he won his 7 tours clean. The books I've read include Walsh's two original books only published in French and the more recent Lance to Landis published in the States. I've also read Dan Coyle's excellent Tour de Force about Armstrong which interestingly corroborates Landis's recent statement about Ferrari's work with US Postal.
Armstrong's career was built on doping. But because he has constantly denied it there is no reason to suppose he would have any reason to stop doping now.

 

[Polish]

Armstrong's career was built on doping. But because he has constantly denied it there is no reason to suppose he would have any reason to stop doping now.

benlondon, most hard core cycling fans believe that Lance doped/dopes.

But the point of my OP is that the "EPO Transformed Lance" myth is crumbling.

If even one of Lance's TdF wins was accomplished witout EPO - the myth is dead. Unless the transformational qualities of EPO last more than a year(s).

Floyd's WSJ account seems to indicate an EPO-Free Winning era for Lance.

Now I have consistently argued that EPO, macro or micro dosed, was/is but ONE tool in Lance's toolbox, ONE arrow in his quiver of awesomeness. But there are many many other training/peaking regimens that set Lance apart. Even Titties and Beer can have recuperative effects lol.

But it will not suprise me at all to see the "EPO Transformed Lance" MYTH evolve into a "Transfusions Transformed Lance" or "Doping Transformed Lance" myth.

Whatever.

 

[hrotha]

So you think Lance didn't use EPO in the first part of his career?

It was never "EPO transformed Lance".

 

[Polish]

So you think Lance didn't use EPO in the first part of his career?

It was never "EPO transformed Lance".

The EPO used in 1999 had less of an impact on the outcome than bike handling skills riding on rough roads with lightweight Rolf wheels. And understanding tide tables.

And hrotha, even though you and I never believed that EPO transformed Lance, many other do/did.
I kid you not.

 

[Anonymous]

Hello too all
sure let say he a very very complete race biking the shape.the posture hes a figther the more he get annoy the more he found energy so at this level of fitness and hes genius ability he do not need too take much of drug if he do you only gulty if you found gulty anywhere some riders or are donkey sure they need the top drug too performe that the real issue so in the end of the day MR LANDIS was a donkey that why he required so much doping he get court then he blame everybody MR LANDIS forget without drugs it would never make a penny so what ever happen he must be thankfull too the ex USPostal that all hes a traitor,lyer,he need a lot of care the guy hes on a very bad trip depression.

It's something new.

A fanboibot.

I've read about them.

Clearly this is a v0.80.

They need work.

 

[Road Hazard]

I've just figured out that if you want your thread to blow up faster than a firecracker on the 4th. Just add LA or Lance or Armstrong in or around the actual forum post.

You and the sponsors both.

 

[Cloxxki]

I totally believe most pro's, even those that take themselves seriously, are missing out by not going all 21st century about their training and preparation. Sure, Lance HAS an edge there, and it's obvious. Whether or not the difference is sufficient to win Tours by minutes to equally or more talented riders, spread over 2+ decades...make your pick.

I used to be a huge fan boy, and believe in human CO2 enduced global warming. Some research of my own made me come around.

 

[VeloCity]

Lance is "The King of the Epo Era" right?
The Grand Poobah of EPO. Just check out the Graphs and Charts right?
EPO transformed donkey Lance into a 7 time winner of the TdF right?

And while hundereds of cyclists have been busted this decade for EPO, both big fish and little fish, Lance has evaded detection by bribes and what not.

"Lance was seen handing EPO packets to Floyd"
"Postal was using Government Money to pay for gobs of EPO"

But then yesterday Floyd drops THIS BOMBSHELL:

He said Mr. Armstrong told him that cyclists used to use erythropoietin, or EPO, a drug that controls red-blood-cell production, to enrich their blood during the Tour. But that substance was now detectable in tests, so riders had turned to transfusions.

Not ALL riders turned from EPO to transfusions of course.
But Floyd's comments seem to indicate Lance did!

Maybe Lance has not tested positive for EPO since 1999 because he has not used EPO since 1999? Instead, he used old 1980's technology.

Well, I think the haters owe Lance an big fat apology!

And after the apologies, there will still be time to enjoy an AWESOME TdF.

PS...I sure hope Lance does not get busted for EPO this Tour

Seriously, what the hell are you talking about?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Grow up haters, Lance is kicking it this year in the only race that matters. Already put 5 seconds into little Berty Beatle. Lets see him get that back in the montains when Lance is dancing on the pedals.

Sit back, grow up, chill out and watch Lance dominate like its 1999 all over again.

Word. I'm glad someone "gets it." Lance has already established an insurmountable lead in this race. Folks, 39 is the new 27. Hail Lance.

 

[buckwheat]

NO!!!!!!!!!

 

[Polish]

Seriously, what the hell are you talking about?

VeloCity, before Lance ever turned a wheel in anger at the Tour, Maestro Eddy B tipped him as a future Tour de France GC Winner.

And after Lance won a Tour stage in his Neo-Pro year, the chorus grew louder - "Lance will be the next Greg LeMond".

Lance downplayed the comparision. Lance greatly respected Greg.
As he should have.

As predicted, Lance DID win the Tour. And again. And again. Etc.
And he actually surpassed Greg's record.

Then came the revelation that Lance worked with Dr Ferrari.
Major disappointment for many

Then the MYTH began...."Lance was transformed by EPO"
"Lance, an average 1-Day racer transformed into a GT Winner....by EPO"
"Lance, a donkey turned into a thoroughbred....by EPO"
"Lance, doing EPO from Proloque 1999 up to his micro-dosing cleansing shower in 2009....and beyond...EPO."

But this week the bombshell from Floyd - Lance stopped using EPO early on.
Probably most GC DangerMen of this decade stopped using EPO early on.

Some riders kept doing EPO after Lance stopped because they were not too bright.
Dealers kept selling the myth and selling EPO after Lance stopped - a sucker born every minute lol.

My point is the "transformation" is a MYTH that is now crumbling.
One's own Blood a transformation does not make.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Lance was born to be a stage racer. Never mind the fact that he DNF'd his early Tours. Lance could always climb with the best sprinters and sprint with the best climbers.

 

[bobs nob]

It's something new.

A fanboibot.

I've read about them.

Clearly this is a v0.80.

They need work.

I got the v.82 beta.

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[bobs nob]

VeloCity, before Lance ever turned a wheel in anger at the Tour, Maestro Eddy B tipped him as a future Tour de France GC Winner.

And after Lance won a Tour stage in his Neo-Pro year, the chorus grew louder - "Lance will be the next Greg LeMond".

Lance downplayed the comparision. Lance greatly respected Greg.
As he should have.

As predicted, Lance DID win the Tour. And again. And again. Etc.
And he actually surpassed Greg's record.

Then came the revelation that Lance worked with Dr Ferrari.
Major disappointment for many

Then the MYTH began...."Lance was transformed by EPO"
"Lance, an average 1-Day racer transformed into a GT Winner....by EPO"
"Lance, a donkey turned into a thoroughbred....by EPO"
"Lance, doing EPO from Proloque 1999 up to his micro-dosing cleansing shower in 2009....and beyond...EPO."

But this week the bombshell from Floyd - Lance stopped using EPO early on.
Probably most GC DangerMen of this decade stopped using EPO early on.

Some riders kept doing EPO after Lance stopped because they were not too bright.
Dealers kept selling the myth and selling EPO after Lance stopped - a sucker born every minute lol.

My point is the "transformation" is a MYTH that is now crumbling.
One's own Blood a transformation does not make.

This is nothing but a bunch of He Said, He Said......

But no, really, what ARE you talking about?