I don't think he was even a father yet.As we know, Rogla was a ski-jumper and when he started cycling career he was a grandpa already. He's slowly but surely entering his prime.
I don't think he was even a father yet.As we know, Rogla was a ski-jumper and when he started cycling career he was a grandpa already. He's slowly but surely entering his prime.
Couldn't have said it better.This thread does seem like an opportunity to just over critique a currently enigmatic rider. He does what he wants and seems pretty good with himself. He'll be deified by rabid fans if he wins some Fall races or written off by those that never thought he would be the King.
Unfortunately, this unproductive category of analysis, separate of each rider's own thread will become the bait click thread for those that need combativeness rather than appreciation of good athletes. It serves the thread creator more than the topic in some strange universe.
It's completely irrelevant, it's an intrinsic reason for why being a top level GT rider is a much better niche than being a cobbles specialist.How often has Roglic faced a non-neo pro Pogacar or Vingegaard at the Vuelta?
Why choose when you can be both?It's completely irrelevant, it's an intrinsic reason for why being a top level GT rider is a much better niche than being a cobbles specialist.
Yeah, youth and a couple more kilos will keep him bouncing.I think most of us get that it’s going to happen at some point and, if nothing else, a season like this might precipitate that. Remco has the golden glow of youth to bounce him back each time he falls.
He does have more monument wins than Pedersen as well. Tis an easy thing to forget.Why choose when you can be both?
Okay, Rick.It's completely irrelevant, it's an intrinsic reason for why being a top level GT rider is a much better niche than being a cobbles specialist.
They're determined to count their GTs as if the Vuelta had the same value as the Tour. He has 5 GTs, but they're different from Pogacar's 5 GTs. If that were the case, Roberto Heras would be compared to Indurain, and obviously he isn't. Not even Rominger.How often has Roglic faced a non-neo pro Pogacar or Vingegaard at the Vuelta?
They're determined to count their GTs as if the Vuelta had the same value as the Tour. He has 5 GTs, but they're different from Pogacar's 5 GTs. If that were the case, Roberto Heras would be compared to Indurain, and obviously he isn't. Not even Rominger.
Roglic is on Rominger's scale, no Indurain scale, which is no small feat.
And yes, they're also determined to say he would have won the 2021, 2022, or 2023 Tours when a second-year Pogacar beat him in 2020 at 21 years and alone because UAE were a mediocre team in 2020. Pogacar in 2021 was already far superior to Pogacar's 2020 Tour.
This year, I remember that before the Giro, they were saying that doing Giro-Tour was the best way to go to the Tour. Few of us said that the Giro wasn't training for the Tour, much less at Roglic's age.
I think those kinds of opinions are damaging to Roglic.
He's been very impressive rider, but taking credit for moral achievements he hasn't achieved doesn't help him in a debate.
If he didn't win the Tour in 2020, I think it's clear he had less options in subsequent years.
Let's remember how mediocre UAE was in 2020 and how superior was Lotto Jumbo team in 2020 Tour. Pogacar raced alone and was the same age as Del Toro, who couldn't win the Giro against a fading Simon Yates and Carapaz.
But he was going to win the Tour later against him and Vingegaard.
In fact, he suffered in the Vuelta against Carapaz. I remember those Ecuadorian fans arguments where they said Movistar saved Roglic.
Roglic has been a fantastic rider, but some comments don't help him. The idea that he would have been better at the Tour riding the Giro at the age of 36 was nonsense. All the cyclists who have won the Giro-Tour have done so in their best years, and except for Pantani and Roche, all of whom dominated the Tour. It's very difficult; I don't understand this argument that it was the best thing for him. Obviously, because he's credited with the moral victories of at least three Tours between 2021 and 2024.
Valverde never came close to winning a Tour, and everyone considers him one of the best cyclists of his era, but because no one attributes achievements to him that he couldn't achieve.
That's the problem Ayuso and other riders has had. We don't underestimate Ayuso; his problem is comparing him to cyclists he hasn't yet reached. If he were judged based on his level, he'd be better valued.
Well it's inherently very subjective, but in my opinion yes, undoubtedlySo you’re saying race analysis has declined with that cult tendency? (Not that I doubt you.)
This forum isn't really leading overall discourse in the sport though, and discourse in general has gone down the crapper in quality.Well it's inherently very subjective, but in my opinion yes, undoubtedly
Well it's inherently very subjective, but in my opinion yes, undoubtedly
The outrage to Leipheimer winning Tour de Suisse in 2011 was a transcedental experience okay.Without having been on the forum back then, I think it's fair to say you look at the early days with very rose-tinted glasses.
That's always potentially a factor, but considering this is a very specific change which changed the forum in pretty specific ways and also something I commented on right as it was happening I don't think that's what's going on in this particular caseWithout having been on the forum back then, I think it's fair to say you look at the early days with very rose-tinted glasses.
We'll, Pogacar won a Tour in a UAE where Aru and Henao had their worst professional performance.It’s a combination of all the factors above (except the 2018/19 one) but also a team factor, this year they are underperforming in almost every race with all the riders but Lipowitz and Pellizzari. Primoz is maybe 36 but Vlasov, Martínez, Van Gils, Pithie, Welsford, Fisher Black, Aleotti, Adrià, Lazkano, Tratnik are not (except Jan)… Just can't be a coincidence
I’m surprised I’m getting pushback for this thread.
How often has Roglic faced a non-neo pro Pogacar or Vingegaard at the Vuelta?
There was no pun at all.
said that, even at the Tour i am sure that Rogla will eventually beat both Pogi and Jonas.
even at the Tour i am sure that Rogla will eventually beat both Pogi and Jonas.