Is Simon Gerrans the best ever Australian roadie?

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Gerrans started cycling preety late, hence will go longer in his older years hes coming too than riders that begun at very young age. He has 2-3 years at good level, doubt he'll come close to evans, but could win a monument still.
 
Echoes said:
Meaningless.

He won Paris-Tours/Autumn GP, two Francfurt GP, Zurich and Switzerland. His most important wins.

And those who've seen the 1988 Flanders could admire his skills. :)


Edit: Oh and since when is a stage win in the Dauphiné more important than Quebec GP?
True, those wins are more important to those who know them while newer fans will be more impressed by the time in yellow I'm guessing.

Also, Anderson is a GC winner of the Dauphine, not just a stage winner ;) IMHO he's the best classics rider without a monument win :(
 
42x16ss said:
True, those wins are more important to those who know them while newer fans will be more impressed by the time in yellow I'm guessing.

Also, Anderson is a GC winner of the Dauphine, not just a stage winner ;) IMHO he's the best classics rider without a monument win :(

Freddy Maertens?

I guess Anderson was closer to the win in the monuments more often than Freddy, and won most of the same other Classics and semi-Classics (Paris-Tours, E3, Henninger Turm, Züri-Metzgete, Henninger Turm). Anderson won Amstel Gold, but Freddy won Gent-Wevelgem, Omloop het Volk, Paris-Bruxelles, and two World Championships, which has me leaning towards Freddy.

Oh hang on, Freddy won The Official Worst Race In The World®. Anderson it is.
 
Libertine Seguros said:
Freddy Maertens?

I guess Anderson was closer to the win in the monuments more often than Freddy, and won most of the same other Classics and semi-Classics (Paris-Tours, E3, Henninger Turm, Züri-Metzgete, Henninger Turm). Anderson won Amstel Gold, but Freddy won Gent-Wevelgem, Omloop het Volk, Paris-Bruxelles, and two World Championships, which has me leaning towards Freddy.

Oh hang on, Freddy won The Official Worst Race In The World®. Anderson it is.
I keep forgetting that Maertens never won a monument! Hard to believe considering the rest of his palmares :D

Freddy it is, then Phil
 
42x16ss said:
True, those wins are more important to those who know them while newer fans will be more impressed by the time in yellow I'm guessing.

Round where I live, everybody knows those races. Not necessarily cycling fans. :)

42x16ss said:
Also, Anderson is a GC winner of the Dauphine, not just a stage winner ;) IMHO he's the best classics rider without a monument win :(

I was talking about Gerrans there (but I made a mistake it was in Switzerland 2006 !) and not addressed to you but that post: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1384441&postcount=21


When Anderson raced, there were no such things as monuments. The label came in the late eighties when the World Cup boosted some exotic races and then it became "official" in 2005 with the Pro Tour.

When Anderson raced, Paris-Tours was sort of equally as important as the Tour of Flanders and the Arrow was equally as important in Liège-Bastogne. There were a dozen classics, period.
 
Echoes said:
With all the more reason, he should race it, then.

Charly Mottet said: "if you haven't raced Paris-Roubaix, you aren't a cycling rider." :)
What I find surprising is that some pro's don't feel that way about such an iconic race. A couple of years ago I asked Tiago Machado about it and he said that he wasn't built for it... Hell if I was a pro, even if I was a sub60 climber I would want to ride it at least once in my career.
 
trevim said:
What I find surprising is that some pro's don't feel that way about such an iconic race. A couple of years ago I asked Tiago Machado about it and he said that he wasn't built for it... Hell if I was a pro, even if I was a sub60 climber I would want to ride it at least once in my career.

It's also a dangerous race. Hinault rode it once just to say he he could win it which he did but hated it. Contador never rode it. Most of today's GC riders haven't and most of them could not win it anyway. It's just too risky although I think Vino and Evans may have done okay. Both heavier for their height than most GC riders and also very good bike handlers.
 
movingtarget said:
It's also a dangerous race. Hinault rode it once just to say he he could win it which he did but hated it. Contador never rode it. Most of today's GC riders haven't and most of them could not win it anyway. It's just too risky although I think Vino and Evans may have done okay. Both heavier for their height than most GC riders and also very good bike handlers.

wasn't Evans at the pointy end with Schlecklet and Spartacus when the TdF last visited the cobbles?
Bodes well for him to race the full event
 
Archibald said:
wasn't Evans at the pointy end with Schlecklet and Spartacus when the TdF last visited the cobbles?
Bodes well for him to race the full event
Evans said shortly after that he'd never attempt the full event, he was knocked around too much. You could see it towards the end, when Hushovd, Thomas, Hesjedal and Cance simply left him in the sprint.

The lead group didn't work too hard because Cancellara was protecting Scheck and setting the pace by himself.
 
Archibald said:
wasn't Evans at the pointy end with Schlecklet and Spartacus when the TdF last visited the cobbles?
Bodes well for him to race the full event

He was but seemed to think his weight was against him and he was too light for the cobbles. I think it's just his way of saying her prefers other races.
 
blackcat said:
I would have Gerrans above Ogrady, Mcewen, Goss, Evans, and Anderson, as the best ever Australian roadie.

He knows how to smell a win and capitalise

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Evans World champion, Tour de France champion, Giro podium, Vuelta podium, and a long long etc that Gerrans would ever dream...

Evans have finished as best rider in CQR some years, and other second, third..

Gerrans was in SKY as a rider more...with a lot of them above him.

He is a good rider, of course, with San Remo and a lot of good results, but no more.

Of course he could beat Evans in down under, we will see, but that is not what made the difference...
 
movingtarget said:
It's also a dangerous race. Hinault rode it once just to say he he could win it which he did but hated it.

Documentate, please. Hinault rode it at least 7 times and finished 5 times, right ! He liked it more than people said he did. No rider has ever won it on first attempt !

It's not a dangerous race, just a tricky one, said Fignon. If Paris-Roubaix is dangerous, what about all these GT's with their descents where so many already died !

Evans is 68kg form weight. He's heavier than say Stybar.
 
Archibald said:
wasn't Evans at the pointy end with Schlecklet and Spartacus when the TdF last visited the cobbles?
Bodes well for him to race the full event
That doesn't stage doesn't mean anything regarding cobble's skills. They were all together, there was a crash, groups appeared, people hung on. Nothing else.
 
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Echoes said:
Round where I live, everybody knows those races. Not necessarily cycling fans. :)



I was talking about Gerrans there (but I made a mistake it was in Switzerland 2006 !) and not addressed to you but that post: http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=1384441&postcount=21


When Anderson raced, there were no such things as monuments. The label came in the late eighties when the World Cup boosted some exotic races and then it became "official" in 2005 with the Pro Tour.

When Anderson raced, Paris-Tours was sort of equally as important as the Tour of Flanders and the Arrow was equally as important in Liège-Bastogne. There were a dozen classics, period.

Leeds ftw ?
 
Echoes said:
Documentate, please. Hinault rode it at least 7 times and finished 5 times, right ! He liked it more than people said he did. No rider has ever won it on first attempt !

It's not a dangerous race, just a tricky one, said Fignon. If Paris-Roubaix is dangerous, what about all these GT's with their descents where so many already died !

Evans is 68kg form weight. He's heavier than say Stybar.

The quote was from Hinault himself, he thought it was a stupid race. Of course there are risks on mountains but what I meant by risk was having a fall and missing the main targets for the season for those riders. The grand tours. Maybe Hinault was contracted to ride the race and I had no idea he rode it so many times. His favourite races were the GTs and the Ardennes classics. In those days riders like Hinault were expected to ride all the classics. The sport has changed a lot especially the amount of race days per year. Now good riders select their events but back in Hinault's time they were expected to ride most of the big events. As for Evans I think he would do okay as he is short and stocky and usually does well in all conditions. O'Grady won it and he can't be much heavier than Evans. But Evans seems to think it's not his type of race.
 
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Evans won the World Championships and the TDF. That's 2 wins that easily obliterate everything Gerrans won, even though he did win MSR.

Not even counting the stage / stage-race wins Evans had in other big races