Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

[Zam_Olyas]

Walsh can laugh all he want, he is still no expert on cleanliness of riders.

For the '12 Vuelta I'd rather believe what Ferrari wrote on 53x12, that the race's performances indicated clean riding, or at least close to it.

It was Froome who wasn't able to regain his TdF watts, that caused the Spaniards to fly away from him.

Sometimes you come up with ridiculous statements, and what roundabout posted.

 

[thehog]

No link, but there was a chat with Walsh earlier this year around january, that was streamed, mostly about 7ds, but one of the questions towards the end was about the Vuelta and if he believes it was clean and he laughed saying that it was ridiculous seeing the Spaniards fly away from everyone and that the Vuelta allow the riders to dope and it is not a race to be taken seriously.

It wasn't just me who saw this interview, someone else mentioned it here as well. I don't know if it was recorded though, i was watching a stream linked through velorooms.

Thanks.

I'll have a look around.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

I will respond here but no more to the likes of you and anyone else who love the controversy and circus that this sport brings and WANT Sky to be doping. I can't be having it with your ilk. Staying around your type would turn you off the sport.
That's my point, it's personal and some of the reaction has been hysterical more than a simple disagreement.

You're right about one thing, I couldn't careless if you take me seriously or not. I wasn't referring to yourself who actually does come up with lots of fair points on the topic.

Oh cry me a river. Pathetic, and then I am being polite with a CAPITAL p.

Walsh good. Kimmage/Stokes bad. Thats your narrative. Good paddy.

Do keep defending Walsh.

The book is the standard puff piece that appears on book shelves this time of year based on sporting success in the year. Someone's auntie knows they like cycling and a book on Sky cycling is an ideal gift. Kerching.

The content of this sort of book is always dire, I'd never expect anything else.

Agreed, totally. But wouldnt the man who slayed the evil american doping dragon come up with something better? This because he pronounces team sky clean with this book?

It is indeed a p!ss poor book, not because Walsh cleans Sky, it is the way he cleans Sky. It is like the Millwall chant, ''No one likes us, we don't care''. Super defensive. All against team Sky.

Thats just childish.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Imagine you're a mechanic who heard or saw something during Wiggins' TdF victory or training camp or what have you.

Would you take that information to Walsh now?

Walsh, who has DB on speed dial?

Walsh, who has the Team Sky kool aid IV permanently installed?

Coz that's how Walsh did anything with LA - people told him stuff.

Who's going to tell Walsh anything now?

 

[blackcat]

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Walsh, who has the Team Sky kool aid IV permanently installed?

reckon you mean the Team Skool fool aid drinkerz

 

[thehog]

Imagine you're a mechanic who heard or saw something during Wiggins' TdF victory or training camp or what have you.

Would you take that information to Walsh now?

Walsh, who has DB on speed dial?

Walsh, who has the Team Sky kool aid IV permanently installed?

Coz that's how Walsh did anything with LA - people told him stuff.

Who's going to tell Walsh anything now?

In a sense he's enforcing the omertà!

 

[sniper]

Imagine you're a mechanic who heard or saw something during Wiggins' TdF victory or training camp or what have you.

Would you take that information to Walsh now?

Walsh, who has DB on speed dial?

Walsh, who has the Team Sky kool aid IV permanently installed?

Coz that's how Walsh did anything with LA - people told him stuff.

Who's going to tell Walsh anything now?

he'll tell you you're part of the angry mob.

As for the mob reaction on Thursday, it was a reminder of how Lance Armstrong was regarded. Once he was the most loved sportsman on the planet. Partly because of that betrayal, the mob was baying for Froome's blood on the Alpe. They were wrong when Armstrong was winning. And they are wrong now about Froome.

http://pastebin.com/UXrzj16r

 

[the sceptic]

Yeah I dont think Walsh is gonna listen to anything negative about sky. Isnt he blocking everyone on twitter that disagrees with him?

 

[thehog]

Yeah I dont think Walsh is gonna listen to anything negative about sky. Isnt he blocking everyone on twitter that disagrees with him?

He gets stuck into poor Katusha and it's staff but Cioni is some form of bottom feeder and if off the hook. Well more to point be guessed he might be a naughty doper and didn't ask him.

You know the bus driver Duffy and and gardener motoman get hooked but they were high up in the food chain?

 

[martinvickers]

Imagine you're a mechanic who heard or saw something during Wiggins' TdF victory or training camp or what have you.

Would you take that information to Walsh now?

Walsh, who has DB on speed dial?

Walsh, who has the Team Sky kool aid IV permanently installed?

Coz that's how Walsh did anything with LA - people told him stuff.

Who's going to tell Walsh anything now?

Someone told him about JTL.

 

[proffate]

Yeah I dont think Walsh is gonna listen to anything negative about sky. Isnt he blocking everyone on twitter that disagrees with him?

yea, he said in some interview that the people who didn't like his new message were people who didn't read his book, implying that those who took time to read it agreed with him. Well duh, I'm not going to pay him money to read his book if I know it's a crock of ****.

 

[gooner]

Oh cry me a river. Pathetic, and then I am being polite with a CAPITAL p.

Walsh good. Kimmage/Stokes bad. Thats your narrative. Good paddy.

Do keep defending Walsh.

Nice jibe at my nationality. I won't stoop to it.

If you don't want to respond to the Sports Illustrated article, take a hike.

For the third and final time, what age would that transformation be with Froome?

 

[gooner]

Someone told him about JTL.

That seems to intentionally well forgotten and ignored.

It kind of dispels their sellout theory and we can't be having that. The show must go on.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Nice jibe at my nationality. I won't stoop to it.

If you don't want to respond to the Sports Illustrated article, take a hike.

For the third and final time, what age would that transformation be with Froome?

To be exactly: 26 years 3 months and 3 days Sherlock. And I have responded to that article, you just dont seem to understand.

How old was Smith in 1994 when she had her breakethrough? Twentyfour? Thank you. The next three years she got better and better, sounds familiar?

You dont have to respond to me, you have shown your identity on the matter in your previous two posts with that imbecile ''you want Sky to dope'' line. That is just as imbecile as my ''paddy'' by the way.

 

[gooner]

I will say in defence of Stokes in 99, he was just getting started in cycling journalism at the time so less likely to write something controversial that would have seen his career torpedoed before it even began. He was also relatively young at the time(early 20s I think). Stokes rode as an amateur in Ireland and was really just a guy who graduated from writing stuff at local level in Ireland to getting more international and bigger gigs as time went along. He was hardly a household name journalist like Walsh.

Walsh has been writing on cycling for over 30 years now and has been with major publications a long time now. I don't think you can compare 99 Stokes v 07 Walsh or even 01-02 Walsh.

Fair enough but what we knew when Walsh started out in journalism and in 99 a year after Festina are 2 different scenarios. There was Le Monde article that was clearly dismissed here.

 

[gooner]

To be exactly: 26 years 3 months and 3 days Sherlock. And I have responded to that article, you just dont seem to understand.

How old was Smith in 1994 when she had her breakethrough? Twentyfour? Thank you. The next three years she got better and better, sounds familiar?

24 wow big difference. Could you respond to that so? What age would that be in cycling terms?

Final time. And no you haven't responded to it.

You dont have to respond to me, you have shown your identity on the matter in your previous two posts with that imbecile ''you want Sky to dope'' line. That is just as imbecile as my ''paddy'' by the way.

What has paddy got to do with anything other than you getting a kick out of it?

The imbeciles are the ones that say they want Froome to go FR and are excited by it, make up insinuations like Sky using Carbon Monoxide, that Txema Gonzalez maybe doping and that doping isn't the problem, just the hypocrisy. That is what is pathetic and guys who have the cheek to go around and give the impression they have the best interests of the sport.

You can keep attacking me if you wish but you're no better if you agree with some of the above or ignore it without response.

 

[sniper]

Someone told him about JTL.

brailsford perhaps?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Also, this book had not been published when he was told about JTL. There was still some hope that, while Walsh was clearly a believer in Team Sky at that point, he would share with us some convincing information that would explain that he had asked the tough questions and been given answers that justified the disappearance of his cynicism.

If he did ask the tough questions and get answers that justified the disappearance of his cynicism, he didn't see fit to share it with the fans, so they must remain ignorant and suspicious.

 

[sniper]

Also, this book had not been published when he was told about JTL. There was still some hope that, while Walsh was clearly a believer in Team Sky at that point, he would share with us some convincing information that would explain that he had asked the tough questions and been given answers that justified the disappearance of his cynicism.

If he did ask the tough questions and get answers that justified the disappearance of his cynicism, he didn't see fit to share it with the fans, so they must remain ignorant and suspicious.

+1

his personal belief in Sky would have been fair and credible if it was just that: his own personal belief in Sky.
Where does his desire come from to let others believe in Sky with such weak arguments?
And why are the doubters portrayed as an angry mob?
Even throwing in a "where's the evidence!", nothing short of the good old "never tested positive" line. It's usps rethorics in a slightly new jacket.
If it was his genuine personal belief that sky are clean, i still don't see why he would go to such length and put his rep on the line to convince others and portray doubters as haters with a series of BS arguments.
unless of course he gets paid to do so.

 

[GJB123]

24 wow big difference. Could you respond to that so? What age would that be in cycling terms?

Final time. And no you haven't responded to it.



What has paddy got to do with anything other than you getting a kick out of it?

The imbeciles are the ones that say they want Froome to go FR and are excited by it, make up insinuations like Sky using Carbon Monoxide, that Txema Gonzalez maybe doping and that doping isn't the problem, just the hypocrisy. That is what is pathetic and guys who have the cheek to go around and give the impression they have the best interests of the sport.

You can keep attacking me if you wish but you're no better if you agree with some of the above or ignore it without response.

I am no expert on swimming but my guess would be that the normal age for swimmers to make huge leaps would be late teens to early twenties, not counting the odd freaky talent that smashes the entire competition at age 16 or younger. So Michelle Smith was at the extremes of that and therefore definitely in the realms of not normal.

Now we take cycling. We have outliers like Lemond, Hinault, Merckx who did very well in GT's in their early twenties (let's say 22, 23 or 24). Normally you would expect GT-contenders to start really performing or peaking from 25 onwards, whereby they have shown some promise before that (making top 20 or top 10 or showing promise at one week stage races). Winning your first GT at 28 or 29 with nothing of note to show before that is in the realms of not normal (Froome). Winning your first GT at age 32 with having shown your first glimpses of GT-potential at age 29 is certainly not normal (Wiggins).

Regards

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

24 wow big difference. Could you respond to that so? What age would that be in cycling terms?

Final time. And no you haven't responded to it.

Since you are a swimming expert - swimming coach perhaps - maybe you could tell us? I certainly aint one.

I cant see the relevance in when or what age her transfroomeation happened, I am just interested in the actual happening and the how. Or is age a much different thing in swimming? How come a Dutch swimster carried on till she was 31? Winning at the Olympics that is.

I understand there a cases of swimmers winning at age 14 at Olympic Games, just like in gymnastics, and of course their carreers do not carry untill their thirties.

But I have posted this already before, you just seem to ignore this.

What has paddy got to do with anything other than you getting a kick out of it?

I suggest you take a good look in the mirror with your accusations in your previous posts. At least I have the dignity to say my ''paddy'' line is imbecile.

The imbeciles are the ones [1] that say they want Froome to go FR and are excited by it, make up insinuations like [2] Sky using Carbon Monoxide, that [3] Txema Gonzalez maybe doping and that [4] doping isn't the problem, just the hypocrisy. That is what is pathetic and guys who have the cheek to go around and give the impression they have the best interests of the sport.

You can keep attacking me if you wish but you're no better if you agree with some of the above or ignore it without response.

Thanks for your judgement, I score 2 out of 4 on your list and am thus an imbecile according to your standards. I do hope I can sleep tonight.

Why wouldnt people want to see Froome go FR and show cycling is not as clean as we are told by the snake oil salesmen? This would be [1] and [4].

Why cant people think/speculate of what Sky might be doing dopingwise? [2]

Why cant people say Brailsford has misused the death of the carer to hire a well known cyclingdoctor who was involved in one of the biggest dopinscandals of the last decade? [3]

Why cant people say the hypocrisy in cycling is a big problem, maybe even as big as the doping problem? [4]

If all those people are imbeciles I ask you, how many cycling fans are imbeciles then? Sixty procent?

I notice you have not replied to the Kelly pills and Walsh not mentioning even defending Kelly story, is there a reason for that?

 

[peloton]

No link, but there was a chat with Walsh earlier this year around january, that was streamed, mostly about 7ds, but one of the questions towards the end was about the Vuelta and if he believes it was clean and he laughed saying that it was ridiculous seeing the Spaniards fly away from everyone and that the Vuelta allow the riders to dope and it is not a race to be taken seriously.

It wasn't just me who saw this interview, someone else mentioned it here as well. I don't know if it was recorded though, i was watching a stream linked through velorooms.

Yeah, I saw it too. Exactly what you wrote.

 

[Benotti69]

For the third and final time, what age would that transformation be with Froome?

We are being asked to believe that Froome is a Greg LeMond like athlete or better. Well LeMond showed it from an early age and in a cycling back water that USA was compared to Europe. Froome did nothing at an early age and all the excuses about being in Kenya, no proper cycling shoes, tactically inept are a smoke screen.

 

[Ferminal]

Now we take cycling. We have outliers like Lemond, Hinault, Merckx who did very well in GT's in their early twenties (let's say 22, 23 or 24). Normally you would expect GT-contenders to start really performing or peaking from 25 onwards, whereby they have shown some promise before that (making top 20 or top 10 or showing promise at one week stage races). Winning your first GT at 28 or 29 with nothing of note to show before that is in the realms of not normal (Froome). Winning your first GT at age 32 with having shown your first glimpses of GT-potential at age 29 is certainly not normal (Wiggins).

Regards

The top GT riders pre blood doping all had either podiums/wins or very serious results in other races before the age of 25. Lemond/Hinault/Merckx aren't really outliers.

Edit: should have read the next sentence.

 

[thehog]

USPS were declaring a great deal more medical kit to the Tour de France organisers than other teams were. I wonder if there’s any mileage in asking teams like Sky not just to declare the contents of their medical chest at the big races, but to publish them?

"Yes, absolutely.

"I think that would be a great thing to do. That’s a really good point - and in fact I’m going to ask Sky to do that.

"I’m going to say ‘give me a list of all the medical products you’re carrying and tell me what it’s for. I will do that at the Giro, I’m there from the 13th of May and staying on the race until the end.

Guess that never happened.

What do you think of Greg LeMond’s idea of using power measurement as a means of anti-doping?

"That’s how Team Sky monitor their own riders.

"Tim Kerrison and Dave Brailsford know – to a minute level of detail – what power output of their riders is capable of producing and if riders exceed that to a significant degree, well that’s an alarm.

"I actually experienced that myself, towards the end of Paris-Nice. I was with Tim and he spoke with Ritchie Porte before the time trial up Col d’Eze. Tim was trying to reassure Ritchie that he would be able to do what was needed to win, and he said to the rider ‘Look. On that climb, you’re capable of a power output of 400w, and if you do that it should be good enough’.

"For the first half of the time trial he was sitting at 413w, and for the second half it was something like 387w. It actually averaged out at bang-on 400w, and that’s what Porte does in training all the time, they knew that was his capability. If he’d produced 430w average that would have rung alarm bells. Tim says ‘we like to think that we know what power output we have to produce to win the race’.

430w alarm bells?

I wonder if Froome had alarm bells at 6.4?

http://www.veloveritas.co.uk/2013/04/24/david-walsh-interview2/