Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

[gooner]

Out of order and wrong?

Why?

https://twitter.com/jeremycwhittle/status/477531900991791104

If you have listened to Jeremy Whittle's opinions on doping and on Sky, I think he's one of the guys who speaks a bit of sense in relation to it. But Kimmage had to throw in his pot shot when it was pointed out Barry was already by The Times.

There was no problem with this interview.

 

[Granville57]

See Brendan Gallagher (the Telegraph) has done a Walsh

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Team-Sky-Way/dp/0007544731

such a rip off, pandering to the idiots who are enthralled by the super secret sky science training

I love this:

offering the tips and secrets that deliver an edge; from training methods, and equipment maintenance, to nutrition, tactics, and psychology

Not just tips and secrets, but the very tips and secrets that deliver an "edge."

So this is, presumably, how they get a leg up on the competition, but they're willing to simply give it all away...for the price of a book?


What if JV gets his hands on this secret manual?!?!?

 

[Granville57]

See Brendan Gallagher (the Telegraph) has done a Walsh

http://www.amazon.co.uk/The-Team-Sky-Way/dp/0007544731

such a rip off, pandering to the idiots who are enthralled by the super secret sky science training

I love this:

offering the tips and secrets that deliver an edge; from training methods, and equipment maintenance, to nutrition, tactics, and psychology

Not just tips and secrets, but the very tips and secrets that deliver an "edge."

So this is, presumably, how they get a leg up on the competition, but they're willing to simply give it all away...for the price of a book?


What if JV gets his hands on this secret manual?!?!?


Although with comedy like this, I just may have to own the hardcover version myself:

What are the secrets of Team Sky’s mechanics as they set up the team’s kit for ideal racing conditions?

 

[Digger]

I love this:


Not just tips and secrets, but the very tips and secrets that deliver an "edge."

So this is, presumably, how they get a leg up on the competition, but they're willing to simply give it all away...for the price of a book?


What if JV gets his hands on this secret manual?!?!?


Although with comedy like this, I just may have to own the hardcover version myself:

Michael Barry in 2010 said a marginal gain was your suitcase being in your room for you. So we have pillows, hand washing, no Nutella, pineapple flavoured water...add all these together and you too can best oxygen vector doping times.

 

[elduggo]

What if JV gets his hands on this secret manual?!?!?

he needs to sign Mick Rogers

 

[The Hitch]

Brendan Gallagher sold out way before. This is the malaka who wrote in 2012 that Britain will always dominate cycling when it's clean because they are physically and morally superior to everyone else. I never thought I'd see such fascistic arguments in the 21st century. Worse than Walsh ligget all of them.

 

[timmers]

Brendan Gallagher sold out way before. This is the malaka who wrote in 2012 that Britain will always dominate cycling when it's clean because they are physically and morally superior to everyone else. I never thought I'd see such fascistic arguments in the 21st century. Worse than Walsh ligget all of them.

So given the question on which this thread is based "No"!

 

[Black Betsy]

Brendan Gallagher sold out way before. This is the malaka who wrote in 2012 that Britain will always dominate cycling when it's clean because they are physically and morally superior to everyone else. I never thought I'd see such fascistic arguments in the 21st century. Worse than Walsh ligget all of them.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LeAS39JD-4c

 

[42x16ss]

So given the question on which this thread is based "No"!

How does Gallagher being even more snivelling mean that Walsh isn't on the bandwagon

Strange argument.

 

[rainman]

Michael Barry in 2010 said a marginal gain was your suitcase being in your room for you. So we have pillows, hand washing, no Nutella, pineapple flavoured water...add all these together and you too can best oxygen vector doping times.

Bernard Hinault used to insist on being carried up the stairs during TDF, Sky riders are missing out on a hefty marginal gain here.

 

[sniper]

walsh has been wisely keeping his mouth shut about Inhaler-gate and TUE-gate.
what a maximum sell out.

 

[ontheroad]

Walsh has nailed his colours so strongly to Sky and Froome in particular, that his credibility as an investigative journalist has disappeared in my eyes. He is presently nothing more than part of the Sky PR machine and has allowed himself to get too close to them. At some point he will have to comment on the TUE and inhaler stories and it will be interesting to see how long he can keep defending the lack of transparency and story changing that exists within the team.

 

[sniper]

Walsh has nailed his colours so strongly to Sky and Froome in particular, that his credibility as an investigative journalist has disappeared in my eyes. He is presently nothing more than part of the Sky PR machine and has allowed himself to get too close to them. At some point he will have to comment on the TUE and inhaler stories and it will be interesting to see how long he can keep defending the lack of transparency and story changing that exists within the team.

if he says anything at all, he'll take the stance he took when the leinders and jtl stories broke.
i.e. stressing that sky are only human and thus make mistakes, and that they should learn from these mistakes, blabla.

 

[The Hitch]

While doing some google I found this

Yet Walsh had never intended to return to the world of cycling journalism after the long battle to out Lance Armstrong as a drug cheat.

"I was done with cycling. I didn't go and cover the Tour when Bradley Wiggins won - which was a big story for British newspapers. But then when Armstrong was outed in October 2012 as an absolute cheat, I felt ready to look at cycling agai

So Walsh even admits himself he missed years of cycling.

Yet in inside team sky and his other sky pieces there is information from those years.

I don't understand how someone can just miss years of the sport and of doping evolution like that, and feel they are qualified enough to look at the issue.

It would be like hiring someone who's only ever seen a Nokia 32 10, to write pieces comparing the technical specifications of the newest smartphones.

It's clear Walsh gets all his info from his beloved brailsford.

 

[deeno1975]

Looks like Dave W is going to be even more famous as they are making a film about him and his pursuit of Armstrong...

http://podcast.rasset.ie/podcasts/audio/2014/0613/20140613_rteradio1-seanorourke-lancearmst_c20596581_20596589_232_.mp3

Could make for an even bigger fall when the "Sky" comes tumbling down...

 

[blackcat]

Brendan Gallagher sold out way before. This is the malaka who wrote in 2012 that Britain will always dominate cycling when it's clean because they are physically and morally superior to everyone else. I never thought I'd see such fascistic arguments in the 21st century. Worse than Walsh ligget all of them.

oh man, my
gordonstoun chariots of fire muscular christianity stiff upper lip pure athlete no peds

 

[thehog]

if he says anything at all, he'll take the stance he took when the leinders and jtl stories broke.
i.e. stressing that sky are only human and thus make mistakes, and that they should learn from these mistakes, blabla.

Walsh's silence is deafening. My take is he knew nothing of the asthma and knew nothing of the emergency TUE.

I think perhaps it dawning on him that Froome's not the same man he fell in love with.

Walsh was seduced by the anti-Armstrong. A man just as nerdy and geeky as him. Walsh saw himself in the Dawg. Awkward and a life spent in trying to prove that the little voices do count.

Young love, what to do?

 

[sniper]

Walsh's silence is deafening. My take is he knew nothing of the asthma and knew nothing of the emergency TUE.

I think perhaps it dawning on him that Froome's not the same man he fell in love with.

Walsh was seduced by the anti-Armstrong. A man just as nerdy and geeky as him. Walsh saw himself in the Dawg. Awkward and a life spent in trying to prove that the little voices do count.

Young love, what to do?

epic! 10 chars

 

[del1962]

Brendan Gallagher sold out way before. This is the malaka who wrote in 2012 that Britain will always dominate cycling when it's clean because they are physically and morally superior to everyone else. I never thought I'd see such fascistic arguments in the 21st century. Worse than Walsh ligget all of them.

Do you have a link to where Gallagher said that?

 

[ontheroad]

Walsh's silence is deafening. My take is he knew nothing of the asthma and knew nothing of the emergency TUE.

I think perhaps it dawning on him that Froome's not the same man he fell in love with.

Walsh was seduced by the anti-Armstrong. A man just as nerdy and geeky as him. Walsh saw himself in the Dawg. Awkward and a life spent in trying to prove that the little voices do count.

Young love, what to do?

I agree that I believe Walsh did not know about either the Asthma or the TUE. His neutrality and independence as a journalist is severely compromised (no matter how much he denies it) by virtue of the fact that he has had 2 book deals and a newspaper column from Sky/Murdoch/Froome. He who pays the piper plays the tune.

At worst Sky have fostered what could be described as a culture of lying for PR purposes and at best they have been extremely economical with the truth which only serves to arouse suspicions. I can imagine that Walsh (as one of Froome's biggest cheerleaders) will be feeling the heat in the lead up to and during the tour and that Sky will be preparing another dietary feed of PR to stave off the incessant questioning.

Walsh admitted that the Armstrong affair consumed and drained him mentally and perhaps he subconsciously wished to veer away from pointing fingers, questioning, facing lawsuits etc etc and wanted to believe in a romanticised return to pure cycling. The question is, have Sky softened him up to such an extent that he is failing to see the wood from the trees? I find it astonishing to hear how strongly convinced he remains that Froome isn't doping considering his background and history in pursuing and questioning other known dopers. The Froome story has already turned into the biggest doping saga since Armstrong and Walsh perhaps unwittingly is now at the centre of it from the completely opposite angle. Strange times.

 

[Benotti69]

That Walsh has not addressed this after all his embedding with Sky will show him to have been vindictive and hypocritical in going after Armstrong. That he works as a Murdoch journalist and showed no neutrality or impartiality towards a Murdoch sponsored entity will be a huge blot on his career for the a long time.

He might as well sit beside Brailsford at press conferences.

 

[thehog]

I agree that I believe Walsh did not know about either the Asthma or the TUE. His neutrality and independence as a journalist is severely compromised (no matter how much he denies it) by virtue of the fact that he has had 2 book deals and a newspaper column from Sky/Murdoch/Froome. He who pays the piper plays the tune.

At worst Sky have fostered what could be described as a culture of lying for PR purposes and at best they have been extremely economical with the truth which only serves to arouse suspicions. I can imagine that Walsh (as one of Froome's biggest cheerleaders) will be feeling the heat in the lead up to and during the tour and that Sky will be preparing another dietary feed of PR to stave off the incessant questioning.

Walsh admitted that the Armstrong affair consumed and drained him mentally and perhaps he subconsciously wished to veer away from pointing fingers, questioning, facing lawsuits etc etc and wanted to believe in a romanticised return to pure cycling. The question is, have Sky softened him up to such an extent that he is failing to see the wood from the trees? I find it astonishing to hear how strongly convinced he remains that Froome isn't doping considering his background and history in pursuing and questioning other known dopers. The Froome story has already turned into the biggest doping saga since Armstrong and Walsh perhaps unwittingly is now at the centre of it from the completely opposite angle. Strange times.

Both books are littered in great detail of Froome's illnesses and health conditions. Not one mention of asthma or the need for TUEs.

Considering the fact the book is really telling the story of Froome's journey of trying to understand the real reasons for his sickness and how they impacted his early performances you think that something as innocent as asthma would have been mentioned or referenced to his illnesses. There's absolutely nothing unusual about this being mentioned and I don't think anyone would raise an eyebrow at it. But its just so odd that it doesn't get mentioned since Froome has had "childhood" asthma.

All this coughs and chest infection throughout the book and he never thought of going to an asthma or respiratory specialist? Considering he knew he had asthma wouldn't that be a obvious avenue to follow rather than asking the UCI to check his blood "for everything"?

Its just bizarre. I don't believe for a minute Froome said, "you can write all you want but just don't mention the asthma". And I don't believe that Walsh was told about the asthma and chose just to leave it out.

I believe there's something in this excerpt from a Walsh interview - see bolded:

CN: You're ghostwriting Froome's autobiography next year. At what point did he approach you?


DW: It was well after the Tour. He rang up and asked if I'd do it, and I said I'd consider it. I said to him during the conversation we had, "As things stand, I do believe in you, but if you have any doubts about any part of your past, it would be great if you could go and ask somebody else." And he said, "There were no worries. There are absolutely zero worries on that basis. I wouldn't be asking you if there were, believe me."

And I do believe in him. We had a meeting during the Tour and I'm not going to talk about it, although I allude to the meeting in the book. It was a very, very private conversation and we spoke, and I do believe in the guy. That was a very private thing and it related to doping and I do believe he's clean. I wouldn't be writing his book if I didn't believe that.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/interview-david-walsh-on-inside-team-sky

 

[sniper]

Both books are littered in great detail of Froome's illnesses and health conditions. Not one mention of asthma or the need for TUEs.

Considering the fact the book is really telling the story of Froome's journey of trying to understand the real reasons for his sickness and how they impacted his early performances you think that something as innocent as asthma would have been mentioned or referenced to his illnesses. There's absolutely nothing unusual about this being mentioned and I don't think anyone would raise an eyebrow at it. But its just so odd that it doesn't get mentioned since Froome has had "childhood" asthma.

All this coughs and chest infection throughout the book and he never thought of going to an asthma or respiratory specialist? Considering he knew he had asthma wouldn't that be a obvious avenue to follow rather than asking the UCI to check his blood "for everything"?

Its just bizarre. I don't believe for a minute Froome said, "you can write all you want but just don't mention the asthma". And I don't believe that Walsh was told about the asthma and chose just to leave it out.

I believe there's something in this excerpt from a Walsh interview - see bolded:



http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/interview-david-walsh-on-inside-team-sky

you couldn't be more spot on.
walsh got his leg pulled.
part of me still thinks he knew what time it was when he decided to jump on the bandwagon. I doubt, though, that he had counted with froome's stupidity.

 

[sniper]

Both books are littered in great detail of Froome's illnesses and health conditions. Not one mention of asthma or the need for TUEs.

Considering the fact the book is really telling the story of Froome's journey of trying to understand the real reasons for his sickness and how they impacted his early performances you think that something as innocent as asthma would have been mentioned or referenced to his illnesses. There's absolutely nothing unusual about this being mentioned and I don't think anyone would raise an eyebrow at it. But its just so odd that it doesn't get mentioned since Froome has had "childhood" asthma.

All this coughs and chest infection throughout the book and he never thought of going to an asthma or respiratory specialist? Considering he knew he had asthma wouldn't that be a obvious avenue to follow rather than asking the UCI to check his blood "for everything"?

Its just bizarre. I don't believe for a minute Froome said, "you can write all you want but just don't mention the asthma". And I don't believe that Walsh was told about the asthma and chose just to leave it out.

I believe there's something in this excerpt from a Walsh interview - see bolded:



http://www.cyclingnews.com/features/interview-david-walsh-on-inside-team-sky

you couldn't be more spot on.
walsh got his leg pulled.
i personally still think he knew what time it was when he decided to jump on the bandwagon. I don't buy the alternative: that walsh has gone senile.
I doubt, though, that he had counted with froome's stupidity.

 

[thehog]

you couldn't be more spot on.
walsh got his leg pulled.
i personally still think he knew what time it was when he decided to jump on the bandwagon. I don't buy the alternative: that walsh has gone senile.
I doubt, though, that he had counted with froome's stupidity.

Well I think Walsh has gone into hiding. We may never hear from him again. Or at least to this blows over. You'd think seeing that Froome can't be any cleaner Walsh would have had no issues in explaining the asthma and cortisone usage.