Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

[GraftPunk]

On topic, Walsh was pretty much assimilated, that much is for sure. His livelihood came to rest on his Sky output, so he depends on their success or at least non-disclosure of bad behavior. Everyone has to eat, so I get his motives, but at the end of the day he has sullied his reputation to the point he can not be taken seriously again. Off topic, RR was always pleasant and respectful to me, though I only interacted with him on this forum.

 

[The Hitch]

While we are talking about sellout hypocrites, remember dimspace?

He knew Samuel Sanchez was doping. Just knew it. Nibali too. And the entire OPQS. Definately dopers, called them out for it. Went on massive rants about Horner doping. And everyone in the 100m apparently. Didn't even know their names since he doesn't watch athletics but was so upset that they doped to be there. He later tried to claim it was a misunderstanding but the tweet was there, saying all participants were dopers in the 100m.

But if you even tried to suggest sky doped he would go on a similar rant. Wiggins was clean. 100% clean. Dim knew. Dim knew because Dim was an "insider" and as an insider he had access to special inside information from Sky. And that inside information was that Sky were clean. Someone at Sky told him Sky were clean so he this was proof. Both proof that Sky were clean and proof that he was more intelligent than the anti Sky mob because he had information they didn't have. And he had earned this informaton by palling up to some Sky apparatchik instead of screaming "Barabas" like Walsh's idiot masses.
The other piece of evidence was that Sky were clean was this beautiful reverse logic where dim claimed to hate wiggins. Even though he was in reality wiggos biggest fan and wouldn't watch a race without mentioning wiggins millions of time even if wiggins was there, dim said that he hated wiggins and that made it true. And since dim "hated" wiggins but believed he was clean, that of course made wiggins clean, since dim was "unbiased" and had reached this conclusion.

The guy coming 8th in the 100m was definately doping because 100m is a dirty sport. But the guy winning the Tour de France was definately clean.

Don't accuse Sky of doping on his forum though or you will be warned in pms that it creates an "unfriendly atmosphere" for the sky fans there. Feel free to attack any other living human being as long as they don't ride for Sky, of doping. That is perfectly fine.

 

[Benotti69]

While we are talking about sellout hypocrites, remember dimspace?

He knew Samuel Sanchez was doping. Just knew it. Nibali too. And the entire OPQS. Definately dopers, called them out for it. Went on massive rants about Horner doping. And everyone in the 100m apparently. Didn't even know their names since he doesn't watch athletics but was so upset that they doped to be there. He later tried to claim it was a misunderstanding but the tweet was there, saying all participants were dopers in the 100m.

But if you even tried to suggest sky doped he would go on a similar rant. Wiggins was clean. 100% clean. Dim knew. Dim knew because Dim was an "insider" and as an insider he had access to special inside information from Sky. And that inside information was that Sky were clean. Someone at Sky told him Sky were clean so he this was proof. Both proof that Sky were clean and proof that he was more intelligent than the anti Sky mob because he had information they didn't have. And he had earned this informaton by palling up to some Sky apparatchik instead of screaming "Barabas" like Walsh's idiot masses.
The other piece of evidence was that Sky were clean was this beautiful reverse logic where dim claimed to hate wiggins. Even though he was in reality wiggos biggest fan and wouldn't watch a race without mentioning wiggins millions of time even if wiggins was there, dim said that he hated wiggins and that made it true. And since dim "hated" wiggins but believed he was clean, that of course made wiggins clean, since dim was "unbiased" and had reached this conclusion.

The guy coming 8th in the 100m was definately doping because 100m is a dirty sport. But the guy winning the Tour de France was definately clean.

Don't accuse Sky of doping on his forum though or you will be warned in pms that it creates an "unfriendly atmosphere" for the sky fans there. Feel free to attack any other living human being as long as they don't ride for Sky, of doping. That is perfectly fine.

Interestingly Dim has turned his back on cycling and is now a massive fan of that super clean sport.........





MMA!!!

:lol:

 

[TourOfSardinia]

While we are talking about sellout hypocrites, remember dimspace?

He knew Samuel Sanchez was doping. Just knew it. Nibali too. And the entire OPQS. Definitely dopers, called them out for it. Went on massive rants about Horner doping. And everyone in the 100m apparently. Didn't even know their names since he doesn't watch athletics but was so upset that they doped to be there. He later tried to claim it was a misunderstanding but the tweet was there, saying all participants were dopers in the 100m.

But if you even tried to suggest sky doped he would go on a similar rant. Wiggins was clean. 100% clean. Dim knew. Dim knew because Dim was an "insider" and as an insider he had access to special inside information from Sky. And that inside information was that Sky were clean. Someone at Sky told him Sky were clean so he this was proof. Both proof that Sky were clean and proof that he was more intelligent than the anti Sky mob because he had information they didn't have. And he had earned this information by palling up to some Sky apparatchik instead of screaming "Barabbas" like Walsh's idiot masses.
The other piece of evidence was that Sky were clean was this beautiful reverse logic where dim claimed to hate wiggins. Even though he was in reality wiggos biggest fan and wouldn't watch a race without mentioning wiggins millions of time even if wiggins was there, dim said that he hated wiggins and that made it true. And since dim "hated" wiggins but believed he was clean, that of course made wiggins clean, since dim was "unbiased" and had reached this conclusion.

The guy coming 8th in the 100m was definitely doping because 100m is a dirty sport. But the guy winning the Tour de France was definitely clean.

Don't accuse Sky of doping on his forum though or you will be warned in pms that it creates an "unfriendly atmosphere" for the sky fans there. Feel free to attack any other living human being as long as they don't ride for Sky, of doping. That is perfectly fine.

I quiet liked Dim - Didn't he originate that mega entity relation diagram on Lance Tailwinds etc. http://www.cyclismas.com/biscuits/wp-content/uploads/2012/06/ArmstrongBusinessConnections1.jpg
On one of the occasion when this forum had days of downtime I even frequented his http://velorooms.com forum - but you are right Hitch - it gave me a spooky hygienic-ized experience. Like that warren in Watership Down set up to attract live rabbits in, fatten then up and them have them mysteriously disappear ... http://watershipdown.wikia.com/wiki/Cowslip%27s_Warren

 

[thehog]

Dim and RR became BFFs and BotRooms became a “there is no evidence” / “JV once told me a story” forum. Additionally the “I never said Sky was clean” vortex would be implemented regularly. Lance was a doper, everyone was a doper but when it came to Sky along came tailwinds, lunch with LRP and if you straight up asked “Do you think Sky are clean?”, you’d get back “I never said they were clean but there was a tailwind…” etc. It was this circular circle jerk of pretending to know more than everyone else because they had someone “unknown” source of information. It was mind numbing. Considering Dim’s handle in the Clinic was TeamSkyFans probably told you all there was to tell.

There was one good anecdote from those days was at the 2011 Vuelta. In the race threads around week one, TeamSkyFans was telling us “Froome will drop off now, he has outdone himself working for Wiggins and has ridden well above his talent level”. In the next two days Froome smashed the Pena with Cobo and beat Wiggins in the ITT! Shortly after his account disappeared off the Clinic.

 

[Benotti69]

In case anyone can be bothered..


David Walsh on Talksport radio with Mark Saggers from 7pm tonight.

Walsh is avoiding talking to anyone with a decent knowledge of the sport.

Chicken.

 

[thehog]

Not bad by Walsh but he's still telling us Froome is clean :lol:

Nails Brailsford hard, which is good to hear.

http://dneilmusic14.blogspot.com/2017/03/david-walsh-nails-dave-brailsford-on.html

 

[Benotti69]

Not bad by Walsh but he's still telling us Froome is clean :lol:

Nails Brailsford hard, which is good to hear.

http://dneilmusic14.blogspot.com/2017/03/david-walsh-nails-dave-brailsford-on.html

Maybe Sky/Murdochs want rid of Brailsford and prefer someone else in charge, so Walsh is leading the hounds.....

 

[thehog]

Walsh's Radcliffe's piece in todays Times is pure genius, fully cleans, check is in the mail.

 

[ThePopeOfDope]

Dim and RR became BFFs and BotRooms became a “there is no evidence” / “JV once told me a story” forum. Additionally the “I never said Sky was clean” vortex would be implemented regularly. Lance was a doper, everyone was a doper but when it came to Sky along came tailwinds, lunch with LRP and if you straight up asked “Do you think Sky are clean?”, you’d get back “I never said they were clean but there was a tailwind…” etc. It was this circular circle jerk of pretending to know more than everyone else because they had someone “unknown” source of information. It was mind numbing. Considering Dim’s handle in the Clinic was TeamSkyFans probably told you all there was to tell.

There was one good anecdote from those days was at the 2011 Vuelta. In the race threads around week one, TeamSkyFans was telling us “Froome will drop off now, he has outdone himself working for Wiggins and has ridden well above his talent level”. In the next two days Froome smashed the Pena with Cobo and beat Wiggins in the ITT! Shortly after his account disappeared off the Clinic.

Interesting, he recently went on a rant with Digger over the fact he'd told Digger long ago about the cortisone abuse. Didn't know what to make of it but seems from reading a few of these posts that Dim is full of ***. Even more recently he wrote something about OOC cortisone use ending it with something like "it's a better answer to just going fast up a hill"... Either he's unaware that Wiggins talks about VAM in his book and how they use it to predict the power outputs required to beat their opponents or is a fan. I still find it funny people like him believe cortisone was the only thing Wiggins used. Cortisone is just one tool in an ever growing list of products athletes use.

 

[ThePopeOfDope]

Walsh's Radcliffe's piece in todays Times is pure genius, fully cleans, check is in the mail.

Proves he's still obsessed with Armstrong. I'm not sure why people even read his articles. I forget exactly his reaction to Txema's death but I remember something along the lines of using it to wave the Team Sky are clean flag.

 

[mcduff]

Dim and RR became BFFs and BotRooms became a “there is no evidence” / “JV once told me a story” forum. Additionally the “I never said Sky was clean” vortex would be implemented regularly. Lance was a doper, everyone was a doper but when it came to Sky along came tailwinds, lunch with LRP and if you straight up asked “Do you think Sky are clean?”, you’d get back “I never said they were clean but there was a tailwind…” etc. It was this circular circle jerk of pretending to know more than everyone else because they had someone “unknown” source of information. It was mind numbing. Considering Dim’s handle in the Clinic was TeamSkyFans probably told you all there was to tell.

There was one good anecdote from those days was at the 2011 Vuelta. In the race threads around week one, TeamSkyFans was telling us “Froome will drop off now, he has outdone himself working for Wiggins and has ridden well above his talent level”. In the next two days Froome smashed the Pena with Cobo and beat Wiggins in the ITT! Shortly after his account disappeared off the Clinic.

Interesting, he recently went on a rant with Digger over the fact he'd told Digger long ago about the cortisone abuse. Didn't know what to make of it but seems from reading a few of these posts that Dim is full of ****. Even more recently he wrote something about OOC cortisone use ending it with something like "it's a better answer to just going fast up a hill"... Either he's unaware that Wiggins talks about VAM in his book and how they use it to predict the power outputs required to beat their opponents or is a fan. I still find it funny people like him believe cortisone was the only thing Wiggins used. Cortisone is just one tool in an ever growing list of products athletes use.

Well, as somebody who dipped into Velorooms for a short while as a non-member a while back (at least two or three years ago...maybe more) I can tell you with absolute certainty that I remember the forum owner (Dim) saying that he'd heard that Team Sky abuse cortisone. It seems like nothing now after the fancy bears stuff and the package nonsense but it stuck in my mind because at the time there was absolutely nothing on Team Sky at all. I stopped reading Velorooms shortly after because there really weren't enough people to make it worthwhile and I wasn't really into posting on forums myself at that point,but when the Wiggins stuff exploded last autumn I immediately thought of Dim's words.

Beyond that, and with regards to social media spats I'm not interested , but the guy did actually say what somebody here said he
did.

 

[thehog]

Walsh's Radcliffe's piece in todays Times is pure genius, fully cleans, check is in the mail.

Walsh in bot mode;

 

[mcduff]

People believe in all sorts of things don't they. Some people are utterly convinced that there is a God despite there being absolutely no evidence whatsoever. People will turn themselves inside out to believe what they want to believe, and its those desires that are more interesting than the beliefs themselves.

 

[The Hitch]

Walsh's Radcliffe's piece in todays Times is pure genius, fully cleans, check is in the mail.

Walsh in bot mode;

Anyone who defended walsh against all the evidence for the last 5 years, this is the final nail in the coffin. Y'all were wrong. Wonder if the gooner's of this world will aknowledge their error.

 

[BullsFan22]

Walsh's Radcliffe's piece in todays Times is pure genius, fully cleans, check is in the mail.

Walsh in bot mode;

Anyone who defended walsh against all the evidence for the last 5 years, this is the final nail in the coffin. Y'all were wrong. Wonder if the gooner's of this world will aknowledge their error.

Gooner hasn't been spotted in a while. Maybe Arsenal are causing him more trouble than the Clinic!

 

[Beech Mtn]

Walsh's Radcliffe's piece in todays Times is pure genius, fully cleans, check is in the mail.

Walsh in bot mode;

It's ridiculous that a professional sports reporter can have this much naiveté in 2017. Walsh has no business addressing doping at all, and should just write rah-rah sports stories and spin heroic narratives. Leave the serious reporting on pro sports and doping to people with a clue.

That blurb above is as bad as the highly uninformed fans who attempt to wade into the clinic with denials of truly basic stuff that every knowledgeable person has known for a while. But it's worse because Walsh is published in major paper, and some readers may actually think he knows what he's talking about.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Well, as somebody who dipped into Velorooms for a short while as a non-member a while back (at least two or three years ago...maybe more) I can tell you with absolute certainty that I remember the forum owner (Dim) saying that he'd heard that Team Sky abuse cortisone. It seems like nothing now after the fancy bears stuff and the package nonsense but it stuck in my mind because at the time there was absolutely nothing on Team Sky at all.

People have been saying that about Sky for a long time now. So much so that they were quickly fingered by most as the team referred to in the CIRC report. Hardly an inside scoop.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Walsh's Radcliffe's piece in todays Times is pure genius, fully cleans, check is in the mail.

I think it's in the contract when you ghost the autobiography that you have to ram your tongue up the subject's arse for the rest of your life. And he did ghost her book, didn't he?

 

[mcduff]

Well, as somebody who dipped into Velorooms for a short while as a non-member a while back (at least two or three years ago...maybe more) I can tell you with absolute certainty that I remember the forum owner (Dim) saying that he'd heard that Team Sky abuse cortisone. It seems like nothing now after the fancy bears stuff and the package nonsense but it stuck in my mind because at the time there was absolutely nothing on Team Sky at all.

People have been saying that about Sky for a long time now. So much so that they were quickly fingered by most as the team referred to in the CIRC report. Hardly an inside scoop.

Ive just gone back and worked out the rough time period I perused Velorooms. It was early 2013.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Walsh's Radcliffe's piece in todays Times is pure genius, fully cleans, check is in the mail.

Walsh in bot mode;

Anyone who defended walsh against all the evidence for the last 5 years, this is the final nail in the coffin. Y'all were wrong. Wonder if the gooner's of this world will aknowledge their error.

I claim my £5 - anywhere does Walsh admit be hired in to do WHITEWASH 1.0

Wiggo - seriously do we have a date for the blood anomaly and tieing it to that win in the half marathon ? that is awesome if the legal team drafting her statement put that spin on it and she OKd it knowing her actual result.

Look at the clock and then imagine the finish of a 1,500 race and then watch the second hand hit a point. Then watch the second hand move for 7 seconds. That is the gap every mile that Paula put into the Kenyan who has run the second fastest Marathon in history behind her. One hell of a gap. Now just think how much more time she would have put into all those dopers who can't get near her time, if she was boosted to the max. Fifteen or more like twenty seconds? Watch the clock and think of a 1500m finish and count 20 seconds. Is there anyone who has watched a 1500m thinks that is at all credible ?

You all know where I am coming from. Paula hired Walsh to do Whitewash 1.0 and he gave up trying to construct her autobiography part way through and then just copied part of her training diary. Froome hired Walsh to do Whitewash 3.0 and by this time Cound and Fran had sorted out a narrative to keep Walsh hooked - riding in sandals at Delhi, badzilla, educated in a tin hut, fighting tigers on the way to school, (oops wrong continent) keep Bobby Julrich out of the story.

Loving this from Walsh - courtesy of Digger -
https://twitter.com/Digger_forum/status/861107776206065665
even Walsh in today's article says he was "...annoyed at this toning down of her viewpoint....." We need oldcrank to tell us the inside story. He tells us was sat a couple of rows back in the stadium when Paula was waving that flag to the world "EPO cheats out". Was it her idea or did she see someone with the banner and thought it was one hell of a thing to go and stand with it ?

 

[fmk_RoI]

Well, as somebody who dipped into Velorooms for a short while as a non-member a while back (at least two or three years ago...maybe more) I can tell you with absolute certainty that I remember the forum owner (Dim) saying that he'd heard that Team Sky abuse cortisone. It seems like nothing now after the fancy bears stuff and the package nonsense but it stuck in my mind because at the time there was absolutely nothing on Team Sky at all.

People have been saying that about Sky for a long time now. So much so that they were quickly fingered by most as the team referred to in the CIRC report. Hardly an inside scoop.

Ive just gone back and worked out the rough time period I perused Velorooms. It was early 2013.

Richard Moore's Sky's The Limit book came out in 2011 and that was one of the first "official" takes on the subject to suggest Sky would go right up to the edge of the rules. I don't think that notion came as a surprise to anyone, many even then believing that OOC cortisone was in use. It was also, you will recall, widely assumed to be Sky's reason not to join that MPCC. I'll say it again: hardly an inside scoop.

 

[thehog]

Walsh's Radcliffe's piece in todays Times is pure genius, fully cleans, check is in the mail.

Walsh in bot mode;

Anyone who defended walsh against all the evidence for the last 5 years, this is the final nail in the coffin. Y'all were wrong. Wonder if the gooner's of this world will aknowledge their error.

Gooner hasn't been spotted in a while. Maybe Arsenal are causing him more trouble than the Clinic!

Gooner disappeared when he Wiggins package came out and when Sutton was booted for being a pig.He wrote some classic posts, including a passionate defence of Radcliffe who "was prepared to release all her blood values" as a method to prove she's clean. When some of the values leaked she lawyered up and no values to be seen.

 

[Irondan]

Walsh's Radcliffe's piece in todays Times is pure genius, fully cleans, check is in the mail.

Walsh in bot mode;

Anyone who defended walsh against all the evidence for the last 5 years, this is the final nail in the coffin. Y'all were wrong. Wonder if the gooner's of this world will aknowledge their error.

Gooner hasn't been spotted in a while. Maybe Arsenal are causing him more trouble than the Clinic!

Gooner asked to have his account deleted but we don't do that so he asked to have his account banned instead, which we obliged.

 

[Freddythefrog]

Gooner asked to have his account deleted but we don't do that so he asked to have his account banned instead, which we obliged.

You have to feel for these people. They bought it hard. The Lance fans with their yellow wrist bands believing in the cancer Jesus; we saw how badly they took it all. Out today I gave up counting how many had sky jersies on. Just think if you had a book shelf of all those biographies that Wiggins put out, then mein climb and the world according to G. Maybe you even bought a ticket to watch Wiggo go round in circles and take the hour record and watch him matey up with Bruyneel and the other dodgy characters in the track centre afterwards. You argued how your hero was being open minded and inclusive and tried to put it to the back of your mind that he was just a cynic rubbing your nose in it that he and his mates were way smarter than the little people whose money he was taking. But nonetheless you had a queasy feeling in your stomach about it all. The charity you gave to that only gave donations to the rugby club his son went to and those poor cyclists Laura Trott and her mates - admin errors- Wiggo just didn't have time to run it properly, if he had, it would all have gone to worthy causes. That it went to fellow BC pro cyclists and his son's charity was like that delivery of testosterone that turned up at the track at Manchester - a mistake - it could happen to anyone. The obscene jokes at the charity do - Wiggo just letting his hair down - it is a stressful life being a sports superstar, having to train so much to be able to beat them dopers clean. But now. Even Walsh is sliding away from Paula and they didn't give the Dawg a knighthood; the establishment are "sticking" at Sir Chris, Sir Brad and Sir Mastermind". Howden, Sutton, Brailsford and Cope performed in front of CMS in a way no one could support. Freeman got "poorly" and Sir Brad didn't come out swinging but pretends that he cannot speak because he is under some sort of embargo. All the time your rational non-cycling mates are either taking the p**s or giving you glances that they feel your pain and are waiting for you to "come out".

Gooner - "Ban me, remove all my posts - just do it. I don't want anything I have written to be left for posterity."

It is quite apocalyptical - how many posts had gooner racked up ?

Back on Walsh - I bought the paper and see that Walsh does state "Our relationship took a turn for the worse when we worked together on her autobiography in 2003". Given he wrote the book, that was about as strong as he was likely to get.

But back to the fans - just how are you going to answer anyone who asks where your collection of cycling books have suddenly gone?