Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

[Benotti69]

This is true, I remember Walsh saying of Armstrong that "some of the things he was saying just didn't add up" and yet he's not overly skeptical of this.

Whatever's going on in his head I hardly think he's "Sky's *****" but maybe not being completely objective and honest with himself.

He sure does come across as Sky's B*tch, sadly, and why is he not pulling back and being objective?

 

[roundabout]

So the '98 Vuelta was OK for the cancer stricken lad, or IOWCIJ..?

Just a regular dude finishing a regular 4th.

But maybe Walsh did not see that Vuelta. Or the 1999 Giro.

 

[Samson777]

https://twitter.com/Vaughters/status/294596446387310597

(read the whole lot not just the first tweet)

I thought there was an interview (post reasoned decision) where Wiggins claimed he looked at Armstrong in the final week in 2009 and knew something was wrong but I can't find that interview so it could be a figment of my imagination or I'm remembering it wrong.

Edit: http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/...nce-armstrong-is-a-lying-*******-8466325.html

Vey nice, thank you.

Not sure if Cyivel's (very nice) twitter link is the only source.

I have an idea in his thread or one of the related ones, JV assures us he told Wiggins (and Talansky for that matter) all about his own doping, and that of LA. As soon as they join the team.

It's not documented, but I get the impression it's part of the initiation process Garmin riders go through where JV reads them the riot act and says they don't need to dope.

Okay, would be interesting if that goes for all the Garmin guys when they join the team, or just some lucky few. I guess a lot of the guys JV hired, knew already

Maybe that Walsh had been writing about Armstrong's doping since 1999.

Then we have Greg LeMond calling Armstrong "the greatest athlete ever or the greatest fraud" in 2001, I bet every single pro cyclist heard that line.

Wigans is pathetic but not stupid.

Yeah, I mean that is some of the obvious. Perhaps Wiggins just doesn't mind being beaten by dopers, he must have that big a heart.

 

[the sceptic]

Here's the thing.

No one is looking for wrong or right.

No one is expecting one to say - "doper"!

Walsh. Taking in his history should really be calling out the ridiculous nature of Froome. The performances, visually, are mental.

To pretend all is well at HQ is utter silliness. I don't think many mind a - "I don't know" but to pretend the performances weren't insane as we all saw is blind.

Totally blind.

Good post Hog.

My problem with Walsh is very simple as well. Anyone that has been around the sport as long as him and is capable of stringing two thoughts together should come to the conclusion that Froomes is doping, or at the very least extremely suspicious. But to declare him clean?

Its a bit like an astronomer believing the earth is flat, or a geologist believing the earth is 5000 years old. I wouldnt have any respect for those people either.

Im afraid Walsh is nothing more than a pseudo-journalist to me now.

 

[sniper]

Not sure if Cyivel's (very nice) twitter link is the only source.

I have an idea in his thread or one of the related ones, JV assures us he told Wiggins (and Talansky for that matter) all about his own doping, and that of LA. As soon as they join the team.

It's not documented, but I get the impression it's part of the initiation process Garmin riders go through where JV reads them the riot act and says they don't need to dope.

wiggins' discrediting flandis in 2011 should be a big red flag to anybody with a brain.
and indeed, to a certain kimmage this was a red flag (or one out of multiple red flags).
to walsh less so.

 

[Cyivel]

I think this is where the Talansky stuff starts

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=981612&postcount=170

 

[thehog]

He sure does come across as Sky's B*tch, sadly, and why is he not pulling back and being objective?

Funny now Walsh is in the cool gang.

Stokes and PK are out of the car this time around.

The floral shirts remain but Walsh has hit big time.

Time to cash in. Good on him too. He deserves to make money off the back of Lance.

 

[elduggo]

quality article by Walsh in today's ST about doping in Kenya that includes nuggets such as;

"Performance enhancing drugs are apparently not difficult to buy in Kenya but are hard to detect"

and

"Who could judge harshly the Eldoret runner, not naturally good enough to take his family out of poverty, who reaches for chemical help?"


2 thing I take from the article:

1: Kenya has a massive doping problem
2: Its ok to dope if you're poor.

 

[martinvickers]

quality article by Walsh in today's ST about doping in Kenya that includes nuggets such as;

"Performance enhancing drugs are apparently not difficult to buy in Kenya but are hard to detect"

and

"Who could judge harshly the Eldoret runner, not naturally good enough to take his family out of poverty, who reaches for chemical help?"


2 thing I take from the article:

1: Kenya has a massive doping problem
2: Its ok to dope if you're poor.

I think you misinterpret 2 slightly. Right after this rhetorical question, walsh writes

Should a little-known Kenyan athlete win, say, $15,000 at a half-marathon in some far-flung European city, then test positive five or six weeks later, the likelihood is that he would see the game worth the candle. Around here, the stigma of a positive test hasn’t the impact it has elsewhere.

The point being made is that it is unrealistic to expect Kenya to simply self police, or take seriously sporting ethics over and above making some money, given poverty and attitudes in that place. In other words, Up your game,WADA - Kenya won't do it themselves in these economic climates.


The whole article is not really about Kenya, or Jamaica for that matter, but about WADA, and specifically Walsh' doubts about Craig Reedie, a theme he raised on Radio 5 on Friday morning, which in retrospect was obviously not coincidental. One must assume Walsh does not see Reedie as an improvement on Fahey.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

The point being made is that it is unrealistic to expect Kenya to simply self police, or take seriously sporting ethics over and above making some money, given poverty and attitudes in that place. In other words, Up your game,WADA - Kenya won't do it themselves in these economic climates.

Good point, thats why his new BFF wanted to race for Greater Brittain I suspect.

Was there any mentioning of badzillah under the poor distance runners?

 

[martinvickers]

Good point, thats why his new BFF wanted to race for Greater Brittain I suspect.

Was there any mentioning of badzillah under the poor distance runners?

Go read the article and find out.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

Go read the article and find out.

Did you change your name in doc V?

Why citate a paywalled source and not answer questions you raise with that citation?

I am dissappointed.

If I was Walsh and I had just found out doping is rampant - that is really new to me - in Kenia, I would ask myself the question ''hey, isnt my new BFF from Kenia too? What about his mindset?''.

 

[thehog]

Lucky the Dawg got away from the scourge of Kenyan doping to the safe haven of European pro cycling

 

[Ferminal]

"Performance enhancing drugs are apparently not difficult to buy in Kenya but are hard to detect"

and

"Who could judge harshly the Eldoret runner, not naturally good enough to take his family out of poverty, who reaches for chemical help?"

Pretty sure they are two of the main reasons for using PEDs for anyone/anywhere (the gut-wrenching poverty story is simply a restatement of the financial+ motive).

 

[sniper]

Might walsh be paving the way here for an upcoming froome donation to the kenyan antidoping body?

 

[the sceptic]

Ah so that is why the Dawg was getting dropped on the flat in his early racing days. Everyone was doping

 

[thehog]

Ah so that is why the Dawg was getting dropped on the flat in his early racing days. Everyone was doping

That's when he was a rough diamond

Bobby J sorted all that put though once they clean up his Badzhilla.

 

[oldcrank]

Its a secret but no secret
Its a rule but no rule
Where you find the darkest avenue
There you'll find the brightest jewel.
(RICHARD JOHN THOMPSON OBE)

 

[martinvickers]

Did you change your name in doc V?

?

Why citate a paywalled source and not answer questions you raise with that citation?

1.Cite, not citate.
2. I'm not your skivvy, and I'm bored with people who want to argue about sources they can't be bothered to read for themselves.

I am dissappointed.

I'll just have to live with your disappointment. I'll manage, somehow.

If I was Walsh and I had just found out doping is rampant - that is really new to me - in Kenia, I would ask myself the question ''hey, isnt my new BFF from Kenia too? What about his mindset?''.

Given Froome was in South Africa by the age of 14, I'm thinking his exposure to Kenyan running culture was probably limited, and his poverty rather less severe.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good story...

 

[Benotti69]

<snip>

But don't let facts get in the way of a good story...

Hasn't stopped Sky's PR machine to date!

 

[blackcat]

He didn't. My cousin's a fairly senior journalist at WSJ. Murdoch doesn't tell them what to write. That's a huge myth.

Albergotti probably got the story as he had had dinner with the right people somewhere down the line.

Australia's foremost intellectual, has written in depth on RM.

now, he only bought the WSJ 5 years back, could he could not get his hands on NYTimes. And with WaPo and NYT it is one of the three national papers of record.

ergo, it will have significant legacy culture. Murdoch cannot change a cargo ship's course on a dime. And i suggest, he will have far less <unspoken> influence.

But as Manne has written, its a subconscious internalisation. His editors know what positions and worldview, the paper needs to espouse and promulgate. If he ever got his hands on NYT, it would have maintained its liberal-left, dem balance.

His other marques, and mastheads. nope.

https://www.themonthly.com.au/user/robert-manne
http://www.themonthly.com.au/issue/...ert-manne/why-rupert-murdoch-can-t-be-stopped

NB. recognise the relevance and soundness of the reply to my post. I am not taking a diametric opposition to your pov

 

[blackcat]

Are you sure you don't mean Orwell? Everyone else seems to want to wrongly attribute that quote to him.

No-one really knows who said it. Most likely Hearst or Lord Northcliffe - both of whom valued the story ahead of the truth.

I don't know what the fuss with Walsh having dinner with Froome is. Journalists do that all the time. That's how they learn stuff 'off the record'. By befriending sources.

The most famous inside source of all time - Mark Felt - was someone who Woodward and Bernstein had cultivated a relationship with over many years.

and Bill Moyers rolls out his own interpretation on it also.

its the quote, not the quotee.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

2. I'm not your skivvy, and I'm bored with people who want to argue about sources they can't be bothered to read for themselves.

Ah, thanks for the answer martin, dont citate from it then, muchos gracias.

Given Froome was in South Africa by the age of 14, I'm thinking his exposure to Kenyan running culture was probably limited, and his poverty rather less severe.

But don't let facts get in the way of a good story...

So, doping is a case of poverty?

 

[martinvickers]

So, doping is a case of poverty?

Like I said, go read the article.

 

[sniper]

The whole article is not really about Kenya, or Jamaica for that matter, but about WADA, and specifically Walsh' doubts about Craig Reedie, a theme he raised on Radio 5 on Friday morning, which in retrospect was obviously not coincidental. One must assume Walsh does not see Reedie as an improvement on Fahey.

good.
you see, walsh is and always has been a clever guy able to join dots.
not sure why you continue to insult his intelligence by suggesting he really believes in froome.