Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

[Benotti69]

That doesn't give him the right to throw long term friendships under the bus. The difference is "it runs deep with him". Nonsense or does he forget his own advice to Walsh to back off the Lance stuff because it was effecting his family life.

You think you have the right to determine how Kimmage lives his life and how he handles his own personal friendships? Call him!

..............but walsh has never cheated his fellow competitors

I too have never ridden the tour but have a good grasp of what is right and
wrong

Mark L

I think this is not about grasping what is right and wrong.

Kimmage knows what is going on at Sky, we all do (those with at least half a working brain), we cant prove it no more than Kimmage, but that Walsh has decided to take Sky's side in a sport that has not changed its skin, but only its clothes for the umpteenth time, is unacceptable to Kimmage.

 

[the sceptic]

..............but walsh has never cheated his fellow competitors

I too have never ridden the tour but have a good grasp of what is right and
wrong

Mark L

Walsh has cheated anyone that thought he was anti doping when he took the job as sky head of PR.

 

[gooner]

You think you have the right to determine how Kimmage lives his life and how he handles his own personal friendships? Call him!

You think anti-doping gives people the unlimited right to abuse and shout at people and in the case of Walsh without any perspective of friendships in the process for a simple alternative opinion. Off with you then but I'm not going to endorse the sort of insults thrown towards Walsh, Richard Moore, Owen Slot, the guy who runs the stickybottle website or abusing an ordinary fan the brain the size of a pea.

This should be just a disagreement entirely on a sporting context. You don't see Bassons and Scott Mercier who have been cheated out of it behaving like this and his "this runs deep" argument is no justification for his line of behaviour.

 

[BroDeal]

You think anti-doping gives people the unlimited right to abuse and shout at people and in the case of Walsh without any perspective of friendships in the process for a simple alternative opinion. Off with you then but I'm not going to endorse the sort of insults thrown towards Walsh, Richard Moore, Owen Slot, the guy who runs the stickybottle website or abusing an ordinary fan the brain the size of a pea.

This should be just a disagreement entirely on a sporting context. You don't see Bassons and Scott Mercier who have been cheated out of it behaving like this and his "this runs deep" argument is no justification for his line of behaviour.

If Kimmage feels strongly enough about doping then why should he forget that Walsh is now the sport's propaganda minister, the one who is feeding the gullible public ridiculous stories to explain ridiculous performances. Walsh has not even been doing the most basic fact checking before spewing his BS. All he had to do was ask about Sky's chef's CV and he would have quickly realized his tale of Sky's food perparation being different did not hold water. If he was too lazy to do that then he could have typed a few search terms into Google. Members here did that and quickly exposed Walsh for either being a incompetent or trying to bamboozle the public.

 

[oldcrank]

....his tale of Sky's food perparation being different did not hold water....

My friend, the differences include, but may not be limited to:
1. No other team has Mr. Nigel Mitchell as head of Nutrition;
2. No other team that I am aware of uses Dario Cioni's Olive Oil.

 

[gooner]

If Kimmage feels strongly enough about doping then why should he forget that Walsh is now the sport's propaganda minister, the one who is feeding the gullible public ridiculous stories to explain ridiculous performances. Walsh has not even been doing the most basic fact checking before spewing his BS. All he had to do was ask about Sky's chef's CV and he would have quickly realized his tale of Sky's food perparation being different did not hold water. If he was too lazy to do that then he could have typed a few search terms into Google. Members here did that and quickly exposed Walsh for either being a incompetent or trying to bamboozle the public.

Kimmage was offered the chance to speak to the Sky nutritionist and it looks like he never took it up. He has offered nothing investigative with Sky except strong suspicion. Investigative journalism isn't his strong point and he didn't expose anything with Lance like Walsh or Ressiot did. Even on the JTL case it was Walsh acting on a hunch and gut feeling which made him do further digging to uncover the story. Kimmage has been on Walsh's case even before he went in reporting on Sky. Earlier in the year he was telling him not to report inside the team but it's OK for him when he wanted to do it with Garmin and Sky themselves in 2010. In his Irish Independent video diary during this year's Tour he said it was a great way of showing transparency by contrasting his experiences with Sky and Garmin, but then doesn't recognise it with Walsh who has got more access over a longer period than he did at Garmin. It just shows a hypocrisy on his part. Walsh has faults but Kimmage isn't the God that some in the clinic think he is and the last number of months he's directing his anger in all directions and in some cases of insulting ways. The PR accusation of Walsh is just strawman and it's coming from guys who don't even take the time to read some of his articles like the one on JTL and Rogers a couple of weeks back.

He's more entitled to his opinion but the disagreement should be solely on sporting terms. He ludicrously seems to suggest as an ex-rider he can go about in this way and treat a 25-30 year friendship with Walsh like a piece of meat because it goes deep with him. This just furthers the argument he's out for some personal vindication and frankly I don't have the time of the day for that kind of nonsense.

 

[BroDeal]

Even on the JTL case it was Walsh acting on a hunch and gut feeling which made him do further digging to uncover the story. Kimmage has been on Walsh's case even before he went in reporting on Sky.

Crack reporting there. Sky leaks a problem so blame can be diverted and Walsh takes credit. You do know that a standard technique to release bad news is to give it to a sympathetic journalist, don't you?

Walsh has faults but Kimmage isn't the God that some in the clinic think he is and the last number of months he's directing his anger in all directions and in some cases of insulting ways.

Walsh has repeatedly insulted everyone who does not believe Sky's cover stories. He should expect a response in kind.

The PR accusation of Walsh is just strawman and it's coming from guys who don't even take the time to read some of his articles like the one on JTL and Rogers a couple of weeks back.

Yup, just a strawman. Walsh is not just parroting Sky's excuses with no fact checking. He is carefully constructing his text to insult everyone who does not believe. His method is to construct strawmen. How about his ridiculous tale of roadside fans cheering on Contador but acting like a mob against Froome, comparing the situation with Jesus and Barabbas? That was a conscientious fabrication. He could have easily found pictures of fans chasing Contador with steaks or dressed up in surgery masks and gowns. It was Walsh constructing a lie about the persecution Sky being unlike anything other teams face. It was ridiculous on in its face to anyone who has followed the sport for the last fifteen years, when questions about doping have haunted every rider and every team.

That story about Rogers would not be the same one he excused himself for not digging into the past of a rider like Cioni would it? How did that work out? Now Sky has Cioni as a DS.

He's more entitled to his opinion but the disagreement should be solely on sporting terms. He ludicrously seems to suggest as an ex-rider he can go about in this way and treat a 25-30 year friendship with Walsh like a piece of meat because it goes deep with him. This just furthers the argument he's out for some personal vindication and frankly I don't have the time of the day for that kind of nonsense.

Kimmage has a right to choose his own friends. When a friend becomes part of a problem that one feels strongly about then it might be time for a split. Maybe Walsh should have thought about the repercussions of acting as Sky's propaganda outlet.

 

[thehog]

He could have seen the 2011 Tour (if Walsh bothered to watch it) whereby Sky, Garmin and Shleck were cheered at the presentation.

Contador was booed.

Lampre-ISD were brought in in a horse-drawn carriage, a Bradley Wiggins-led Sky team were accompanied into the arena by a gaggle of Spanish dancers, while BMC turned up in the back of a vintage van, and promptly sent an inattentive TV cameraman flying as he leaped backwards to avoid getting his feet run over. And the crowd loved it.

The cheer for Andy Schleck as he led his Leopard-Trek boys onto the stage was almost as loud as the one for Chavanel, but the most surreal moment came when the Garmin-Cervélo squad emerged on a platform rising up from under the stage, with world champion Thor Hushovd joining in the fun by dressing up in a long-haired wig and clutching a hammer to impersonate the Norse god Thor. It got a good laugh, but whether the Norwegian sprinter knew how much he looked like 1997 world champion Laurent Brochard was never established.

Saxo Bank-SunGard were saved until last as the team containing the defending Tour champion. But as he was presented to the crowds, Alberto Contador was greeted by boos, jeers and whistles, although they just about stopped short of giving him the thumbs down and sending in the lions.

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...ented-contador-booed.html#XoWOKfgKC8CGqFQl.99

 

[Benotti69]

You think anti-doping gives people the unlimited right to abuse and shout at people and in the case of Walsh without any perspective of friendships in the process for a simple alternative opinion. Off with you then but I'm not going to endorse the sort of insults thrown towards Walsh, Richard Moore, Owen Slot, the guy who runs the stickybottle website or abusing an ordinary fan the brain the size of a pea.

Kimmage and Walsh are adults and can conduct their friendship in any manner they please. Kimmage believes he lost his job for doing the opposite to what Walsh is doing. But you know best.

This should be just a disagreement entirely on a sporting context. You don't see Bassons and Scott Mercier who have been cheated out of it behaving like this and his "this runs deep" argument is no justification for his line of behaviour.

His line of behaviour? he fell out with his friend. When his friend sees the light maybe he will apologise to Kimmage and 'write' the wrongs

 

[gooner]

Crack reporting there. Sky leaks a problem so blame can be diverted and Walsh takes credit. You do know that a standard technique to release bad news is to give it to a sympathetic journalist, don't you?

He spoke to 3 people and suspected something was up. Your assuming with no certainty whatsoever.

Walsh has repeatedly insulted everyone who does not believe Sky's cover stories. He should expect a response in kind.

Disagree is one thing but sellout is another and that's insulting in journalist terms.

Yup, just a strawman. Walsh is not just parroting Sky's excuses with no fact checking. He is carefully constructing his text to insult everyone who does not believe. His method is to construct strawmen. How about his ridiculous tale of roadside fans cheering on Contador but acting like a mob against Froome, comparing the situation with Jesus and Barabbas? That was a conscientious fabrication. He could have easily found pictures of fans chasing Contador with steaks or dressed up in surgery masks and gowns. It was Walsh constructing a lie about the persecution Sky being unlike anything other teams face. It was ridiculous on in its face to anyone who has followed the sport for the last fifteen years, when questions about doping have haunted every rider and every team.

Just look at this forum there was many hoping Contador would smash it to put Sky in their place and are up in arms with Sky's domination. Can you imagine the reaction if someone started a thread calling Froome "The Great One" as has been stated in Contador's case. The reaction to Saxo lightening up the flat stage was telling to me.

That story about Rogers would not be the same one he excused himself for not digging into the past of a rider like Cioni would it? How did that work out? Now Sky has Cioni as a DS.

Sky were delighted I say with a picture of Rogers in their kit sprawled across a broadsheet page alongside Wiggins in his yellow jersey while criticising their recruitment of him. Obviously you don't read his articles but yet like to speak in the know on them. That's a first in discussion terms.

Kimmage has a right to choose his own friends. When a friend becomes part of a problem that one feels strongly about then it might be time for a split. Maybe Walsh should have thought about the repercussions of acting as Sky's propaganda outlet.

He can but it shows an unpleasant side on him if he puts his stance on doping ahead of a close long term friendship for just a simple disagreement when it's very much up for debate(no matter what anyone thinks it's not a slam dunk). That's not the kind of friend I'd like in my life. It heightens the suggestion he's out for some personal vindication in all this and he has been on default position since the summer of 2010 irrespective of performances. I don't think Walsh who breaks the JTL story and writes articles criticising Sky over Rogers and Leinders is a problem in the sport. That's just basless ingrained view on your part because he hasn't come to the same position as yourself. Kimmage has it in for him this year and in the Second Captains interview he wrongly accused Walsh of not addressing the Leinders topic. Kimmage is working for the Irish Indo now and he has a platform to show us his card and he has written jack **** on Sky the last few months which is in stark contrast to Walsh as has been pointed out already. He told Walsh to report on the outside and has been hypocritical in his position regarding an "embedded" journalist. In other words, it's only good enough for him.

 

[gooner]

Kimmage and Walsh are adults and can conduct their friendship in any manner they please. Kimmage believes he lost his job for doing the opposite to what Walsh is doing. But you know best.

How come Walsh didn't lose his job over Lance? Walsh has written about corruption in FIFA where the Sunday Times got a lot of heat for and they had no problem running those stories. Remember that topic has a far more wider audience than this with Sky and was hugely controversial. Kimmage lost his job over too many libelous articles and I don't think that's anything to be shouting about. I never heard that having columns pulled is something to be bragging about.

His line of behaviour? he fell out with his friend. When his friend sees the light maybe he will apologise to Kimmage and 'write' the wrongs

A shouting rant for 2 hours because he disagrees with him. Even in the article today, it more or less says he would throw anyone under a bus if he disagrees with them. To me, there's a chip on the shoulder job going on here where all sort of perspective in reasonable dialogue has gone.

 

[hrotha]

The reaction to Saxo lightening up the flat stage was telling to me.

All that showed was either that Sky fans are grasping at straws to make it look like Sky aren't outperforming everyone, or that they know nothing about echelons.

 

[Samson777]

How come Walsh didn't lose his job over Lance? Walsh has written about corruption in FIFA where the Sunday Times got a lot of heat for and they had no problem running those stories. Remember that topic has a far more wider audience than this with Sky and was hugely controversial. Kimmage lost his job over too many libelous articles and I don't think that's anything to be shouting about. I never heard that having columns pulled is something to be bragging about.



A shouting rant for 2 hours because he disagrees with him. Even in the article today, it more or less says he would throw anyone under a bus if he disagrees with them. To me, there's a chip on the shoulder job going on here where all sort of perspective in reasonable dialogue has gone.

But luckily, if you want to experience a reasonable dialogue, you need to look no further, than the latest work by Walsh.. You have to appreciate that.

 

[thehog]

He spoke to 3 people and suspected something was up. Your assuming with no certainty whatsoever.



Disagree is one thing but sellout is another and that's insulting in journalist terms.



Just look at this forum there was many hoping Contador would smash it to put Sky in their place and are up in arms with Sky's domination. Can you imagine the reaction if someone started a thread calling Froome "The Great One" as has been stated in Contador's case. The reaction to Saxo lightening up the flat stage was telling to me.



Sky were delighted I say with a picture of Rogers in their kit sprawled across a broadsheet page alongside Wiggins in his yellow jersey while criticising their recruitment of him. Obviously you don't read his articles but yet like to speak in the know on them. That's a first in discussion terms.



He can but it shows an unpleasant side on him if he puts his stance on doping ahead of a close long term friendship for just a simple disagreement when it's very much up for debate(no matter what anyone thinks it's not a slam dunk). That's not the kind of friend I'd like in my life. It heightens the suggestion he's out for some personal vindication in all this and he has been on default position since the summer of 2010 irrespective of performances. I don't think Walsh who breaks the JTL story and writes articles criticising Sky over Rogers and Leinders is a problem in the sport. That's just basless ingrained view on your part because he hasn't come to the same position as yourself. Kimmage has it in for him this year and in the Second Captains interview he wrongly accused Walsh of not addressing the Leinders topic. Kimmage is working for the Irish Indo now and he has a platform to show us his card and he has written jack **** on Sky the last few months which is in stark contrast to Walsh as has been pointed out already. He told Walsh to report on the outside and has been hypocritical in his position regarding an "embedded" journalist. In other words, it's only good enough for him.

Wow. You really have let this get to you.

First up Keys and now Kimmidge.

Gooner perhaps put down the Walsh books and look at Froome with your own eyes. That might tell you he answer.

I think you might have been seduced.

 

[Benotti69]

How come Walsh didn't lose his job over Lance? Walsh has written about corruption in FIFA where the Sunday Times got a lot of heat for and they had no problem running those stories. Remember that topic has a far more wider audience than this with Sky and was hugely controversial. Kimmage lost his job over too many libelous articles and I don't think that's anything to be shouting about. I never heard that having columns pulled is something to be bragging about.

Kimmage didn't ask to be sent to write about cycling and ST should've known Kimmage takes no prisoners, but they still sent him. Smart editors!

A shouting rant for 2 hours because he disagrees with him. Even in the article today, it more or less says he would throw anyone under a bus if he disagrees with them. To me, there's a chip on the shoulder job going on here where all sort of perspective in reasonable dialogue has gone.

After screaming at Walsh he says they patched it up. It seems you cannot forgive, but Walsh could. Chip on your shoulder must be heavy.

 

[the sceptic]

Wow. You really have let this get to you.

First up Keys and now Kimmidge.

Gooner perhaps put down the Walsh books and look at Froome with your own eyes. That might tell you he answer.

I think you might have been seduced.

Walsh can do no wrong it seems. The delusion is strong in that post.

But maybe Walsh looked him into the eyes and told him he was cleans?

 

[thehog]

Walsh can do no wrong it seems. The delusion is strong in that post.

But maybe Walsh looked him into the eyes and told him he was cleans?

Walsh has become a cult leader. I look forward to Dawgs book and more on how Contador is Satan.

 

[the sceptic]

How can Lord Walsh say Indurain is a doper and say Froome is cleans? Where is the evidence against Indurain?

 

[Benotti69]

How can Lord Walsh say Indurain is a doper and say Froome is cleans? Where is the evidence against Indurain?

Indurain tested positive at the 1994 Tour de l'Oise. Salbutamol was banned in France at the time but had not yet found its way onto the UCI's banned list. Indurain was not sanctioned.

 

[the sceptic]

But since he wasnt, then it doesnt count as evidence.

Even so, very much doubt that is the reason why Walsh thinks he is a doper.

Its just another example of his hypocracy. No problem calling out Indurain and Contador based on super human performances, but when Dawg goes even beyond that he is cleans.

Btw if anyone hasnt been blocked by Walsh you can try to ask him some questions on twitter now.

 

[hrotha]

Eh, I'm sure we can find better examples of Walsh doing a soddy job than "called out Indurain as a doper".

 

[Benotti69]

Eh, I'm sure we can find better examples of Walsh doing a soddy job than "called out Indurain as a doper".

we have, Walsh thinks Sky is clean and Froome is the greatest cyclist ever......

 

[The Hitch]

Eh, I'm sure we can find better examples of Walsh doing a soddy job than "called out Indurain as a doper".

Clearly he hasn't talked to Lord Wiggo about this, seeing as how ****nuts still calls Indurain his idol, and has been doing so consistently since his "since i was a kid my dream has always been to one day ride in the Tour de France" speech from 2004-2009, became the "since i was a kid my dream has always been to one day win the Tour de France" speech from July 2009 onwards.

Considering Walsh made such a big deal out of Ellingsworth ripping out Virenique's picture, and of Wiggins fake crocodile tears on Armstrong, Im surprised wiggo's comments of admiration to several notorious dopers (massive words of support for Basso and Pantani at the Giro earlier this year while Walsh was AT THE RACE) do not seem to have any effect on him.

 

[Maxiton]

Walsh has become the new Phil Liggett. Murdoch money, it appears, is pretty persuasive. Well, duh . . .

 

[elduggo]

Kimmage talks about how he has fallen out with Walsh over Sky in todays Sunday Independent. Cant find a link yet.

Digger has posted some snippets as pics on his twitter.

https://twitter.com/digger_forum

http://www.independent.ie/entertain...age-on-track-after-a-rough-ride-29886614.html