Is Walsh on the Sky bandwagon?

[LaFlorecita]

so;

Brailsford = Jesus

and

Froome = Jesus

do I have that right?

Yes and Contador = Barabbas and Riis = Barabbas

Might've been more fitting if Froome = Jesus, Brailfraud = God
Contador = Barabbas and Riis = ...... Satan????

 

[the sceptic]

so;

Brailsford = Jesus

and

Froome = Jesus

do I have that right?

Brailsford = god and coolest person in the world

Walsh = future nobel prize winner

 

[LaFlorecita]

Brailsford = god and coolest person in the world

Walsh = future nobel prize winner

God no.... that pic

 

[fmk_RoI]

so;

Brailsford = Jesus

and

Froome = Jesus

do I have that right?

Froome = Badzilla Jesus

 

[fmk_RoI]

Riis = ...... Satan????

Riis = Gestas

 

[thehog]

Yes and Contador = Barabbas and Riis = Barabbas

Might've been more fitting if Froome = Jesus, Brailfraud = God
Contador = Barabbas and Riis = ...... Satan????

Truth be told. The comparison doesn't make sense. Contador paid for his crime. He was suspended and had his results stripped. How can he be Barabbas and set free if he paid his price? Barabbas was emancipated without serving time.

Or is Walsh saying Contador should be banned for life?

If a Froome is Jesus he's not being sent to the gallows. He won the Tour. So that doesn't make sense either.

 

[the sceptic]

But Walsh has no problem with a known criminal, co-conspirator and unrepentant doper being Froomes personal trainer for 2 years?

 

[jens_attacks]

Brailsford = god and coolest person in the world

Walsh = future nobel prize winner

brailsford = el chapo guzman


In an interview with Spain’s El País, Guillermo Valdés, former director of Mexico’s intelligence agency known as CISEN, said El Chapo is a “business genius.” Valdés added: “He’s a very intelligent person, with a great talent for listening, a great talent for seducing people, and besides that, he has a great imagination and entrepreneurial creativity.”

 

[fmk_RoI]

Barabbas was emancipated without serving time.

Uh, wrong. Pilate could commute one prisoner's sentence. Pilate offered them Christ. The mob preferred to give their support to Barabbas. Read yer Bible. Or, **** it, even try Googling it.

 

[thehog]

But Walsh has no problem with a known criminal, co-conspirator and unrepentant doper being Froomes personal trainer for 2 years?

Also we can only assume Rogers is now Barabbas for his passport infraction?

 

[thehog]

Uh, wrong. Pilate could commute one prisoner's sentence. Pilate offered them Christ. The mob preferred to give their support to Barabbas. Read yer Bible. Or, **** it, even try Googling it.

??

You're missing the point. I said Contador was sentenced and served his time. He wasn't set free. Froome is not Jesus in this comparison. Although the mob are baying for Froome's blood he kept his Tour title.

That's where Walsh's comparison falls down.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Also we can only assume Rogers is now Barabbas for his passport infraction?

Again, wrong. The Bible is filled with appropriate criminals you can equate Rogers to if you are that way inclined and Barabbas is not among them for Rogers has not had his sentence commuted.

The Barabbas reference is never to his actual crime but always to the mob's choice of him over the cleaner-than-clean, gooder-than-good Son of God. Do make an effort to understand this stuff, it's not hard.

 

[thehog]

Again, wrong. The Bible is filled with appropriate criminals you can equate Rogers to if you are that way inclined and Barabbas is not among them for Rogers has not had his sentence commuted.

The Barabbas reference is never to his actual crime but always to the mob's choice of him over the cleaner-than-clean, gooder-than-good Son of God. Do make an effort to understand this stuff, it's not hard.

Nice try but you're still not getting it and I'm just using Google.

Walsh uses the term "known criminal". You saw that?

Have a re-read, take the time to understand the irony and subtext and post again.

You have clearly missed the point again.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Contador was sentenced and served his time.

I thought most hereabouts were of the opinion that Bert didn't serve his time, but rather only a portion of it and CAS effectively commuted the rest by backdating his sentence and voiding results? Isn't that the sort of thing you normally point out yourself?

The correction though was to your erroneous claim that "Barabbas was emancipated without serving time." Clearly, in order to have his sentence commuted, he had to have been serving time.

 

[The Hitch]

brailsford = el chapo guzman


In an interview with Spain’s El País, Guillermo Valdés, former director of Mexico’s intelligence agency known as CISEN, said El Chapo is a “business genius.” Valdés added: “He’s a very intelligent person, with a great talent for listening, a great talent for seducing people, and besides that, he has a great imagination and entrepreneurial creativity.”

Loera might be intelligent but most criminals are not and Brailsford certainly isn't.

If you find Brailsford's 1990's omerta intelligent then I don't imagine there is much that doesn't impress you.

He does the same thing as Brunyeel did, as Armstrong did. Says he is clean because there hasn't been a positive test, emphasizes that they train really really hard and claims to have unspecified scientific advantages.

All of those things Armstrong was saying a decade ago. There is nothing particuarly intelligent about Armstrong, or Brunyeel, as they have shown over the last few years.

People always like to romanticize criminals as intelligent, because that's how they appear in the movies, and because they feel better thinking the world only rewards success to people with talent.

The truth is, even the succesful ones are 99% of the time they are no different to any other 2 bit criminal who is willing to go to any lenghts to get what he wants and doesn't care who he hurts in the process.

 

[thehog]

I thought most hereabouts were of the opinion that Bert didn't serve his time, but rather only a portion of it and CAS effectively commuted the rest by backdating his sentence and voiding results? Isn't that the sort of thing you normally point out yourself?

The correction though was to your erroneous claim that "Barabbas was emancipated without serving time." Clearly, in order to have his sentence commuted, he had to have been serving time.

Slow down gun slinger.

Contador served his time by the law ruled by CAS. All results voided. Yes his time wasn't served concurrently but time served.

Per my first post where I clearly stated that this is not my strong suit the Walsh comparison still falls on it's knees.

Walsh names Contador as a "known criminal". But the mob asks for "Froome" to be sent to his death in place of Contador.

The irony of Walsh's depiction was at the 2011 Tour, which Contador probably shouldn't have been at, the crowd in a coliseum just like the story booed Contador. Sending him to crucifixion.

But again Walsh selectively does not include these stories. It ruins the narrative.

 

[fmk_RoI]

I clearly stated that this is not my strong suit

And you've more than clearly demonstrated it, too.

 

[thehog]

And you've more than clearly demonstrated it, too.

Not at all. My point is well made. Walsh's use of the comparison is flawed.

You disagree?

 

[oldcrank]

Jesus

And did those feet in ancient time
Walk upon Englands mountain green
And was the Holy Lamb of God
On Englands pleasant pastures seen.
(WILLIAM BLAKE)

Anyone who has been to the Manchester
Velodrome knows that it is a Sacred Site.
Rightly or wrongly, to some as Holy as the
Temple Mount.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

I thought most hereabouts were of the opinion that Bert didn't serve his time, but rather only a portion of it and CAS effectively commuted the rest by backdating his sentence and voiding results? Isn't that the sort of thing you normally point out yourself?

The correction though was to your erroneous claim that "Barabbas was emancipated without serving time." Clearly, in order to have his sentence commuted, he had to have been serving time.

Clearly, you're wrong. It is almost certain that he was incarcerated, but it is not definitive...unless you happen to have the specific code Pilate and those with judicial power at the time had...and I doubt that is the case.

The easiest way to explain why you're blowing harder than you should (not untypical for you) is that the President of the United States has the power to commute sentences. Generally, that is done for someone who is incarcerated. It is generally done when facts become known that were not known at the time of sentencing, or that came to light and were developed after.

Now, in the US, just because one has been sentenced does not mean they are immediately incarcerated. The general case is that they are immediately incarcerated, but it does not have to be so. A person may be sentenced, and have a date later they are to report for actual incarceration. It is not common, but it does happen.

Therefore, it is possible that the President of the United States could commute a sentence (because there are no restraints contained in the constitution that say otherwise*) prior to a person reporting for incarceration. Considering the fact that we do not have the code used in Pilate's time, I would suggest that there is at least a possibility that a person in that time period could have their sentence commuted prior to incarceration. Unlikely, but still not demonstratively false.

Thus, if you are going to continue to act in the manner you have traditionally acted, and are acting in this instance, I would suggest you choose your words more carefully.

You're welcome.

*and he shall have power to grant reprieves and pardons for offenses against the United States, except in cases of impeachment. http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articleii

 

[ChewbaccaD]

As for Walsh deifying Brailsford or Froome, I think we have ample examples of this type of thing in the past with other known dopers, and it sickens me every time. If he cannot see his lack of journalistic objectivity, it is a sad day for journalism. He's acting like nothing but a star-struck 12 year old Belieber.

 

[fmk_RoI]

Blah blah blah blah

**** me, now we're comparing Obama to Pontius Pilate? Oh me. Oh my. Oh God.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

**** me, now we're comparing Obama to Pontius Pilate? Oh me. Oh my. Oh God.

I didn't mention a specific president. If you aren't smart enough to know that this applies to any president, you really are out of your element, plus you can't read.

I flinch when I take my medicine too...kisses sweetie.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

And actually, come to think of it, your statement was also ignorant of the fact that not every sentence involves incarceration of the criminal defendant, and that it is possible to commute a sentence that had no incarceration to a lesser non-incarcerated punishment.

You really aren't prepared for this discussion at all, are you toots?

 

[Franklin]

Considering the background of Walsh I have problems believing he would naively deify a rider/DS. He's simply doing it for the money.

Even if Froome is clean and DB is the real deal, no excuse to idolize them. Its sport, not someone who just saved a life.

But perhaps he just a starstruck idiot... not sure which is worse. An idiot or a pr guy posing as a "journalist".