Yeah he just became 7th in a race of attrition with like 6 other Young guns that ended in front of him. With stomach problems. Terrible performance. 😉
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Yes, when you perform way better over 4 hours than over 6 and a half, you have an endurance problem.
At his age it is only normal. It is not a problem it is simply an area that tends to develop with the years in Cycling.
It seems that we are getting so used to youngsters performing amazing that we are forgetting that some old rules in cycling are still valid.
But by now it is clear that you just try to find a fault with del Toro because somehow you dont seem to like him.
It's not a terrible performance but he wasn't a feature past 200km. It's pretty clear that in races around 200km on this profile he isn't finishing with Eulalio.
Like I said, I'm agnostic about whether or not this'll improve with time (I have no idea, I am not a sports scientist), but if we describe it as it is now he obviously loses a bit of power as time goes on.
For instance, I think we will he is out and out favourite for winning in Bologna if he races, but I have no clue how he'll do in Lombardy
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Noone can say for sure indeed, lets see. One could also easily argue that if he hadn’t gone with Pogacar today and ended up flying too close to the sun and burned himself he have performed better in the end as well.
But I don’t blame anyone for trying, no guts, no glory. If anything i blame anyone else more who constantly wait for Pogacar and co to initiate the attack as the scrips isnt set then.
Its been a superb year for him., today to he played a little role, more impressive than his result in a vaccum. One of my trivial points for next year is to see how he continues developing next season as this one was crazy. Lets see.
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Long-distance endurance comes with age. Pogi has won his first monument when we was 22. In 2020, after Julian attacked in WC Pogi didn't even fight in that race.
In my opionion Isaac has everything to become new version of Pogacar. It is more difficult to develop in terms of improving dynamics and maintaining the pace 3-4 km after an attack than to build resistance to overall fatigue, which is his main weakness.
In my opionion Isaac has everything to become new version of Pogacar. It is more difficult to develop in terms of improving dynamics and maintaining the pace 3-4 km after an attack than to build resistance to overall fatigue, which is his main weakness.
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Pogacar was better than Del Toro though. Pogacar was robbed in 2020 LBL.
Second year pro, second year at deep pro distance against the best, Del Toro in constant state of improvement. His grace and generosity on full display. Team Mexico can leave Kigali proud of what Del Toro did off and on the bike. Guy is a giant.
Congratulations Eder and David.
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Yep, let the kid get a few more miles in the legs before we make any judgement about his capabilities. We're VERY early into his career, and the current trajectory is incredible. He keeps progressing from here, and...wow. And why wouldn't he?
Look forward to seeing what he becomes.
Look forward to seeing what he becomes.
Very good interview on CUTD..he thanks teammates and says that while congratulating Tadej Pogacar on his victory got encouragement from world champion. Del Toro took another opportunity to say that he has lots of respect for Tadej.
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He can definitely still progress, he's doing great so far. But it's also true that he just isn't good enough at the moment. Which is fine, but people were saying he could've won this WC (before the race), and that's clearly not the case.
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There is a lot to like about his performance.
I was 100% sure he would DNF after being dropped like a stone by Pog, but he kept fighting and actually recovered pretty well from his efforts.
Hard to know if he will improve his endurance to the point he could win a race of this caliber but this is a good starting point.
Main issue for me is that riding for UAE he will have limited chances to test himself as a captain in AGR, LBL, Lombardia or even Sanremo.
Very long season and it seems like UAE will have him ride Agostoni, Bernocchi and 3VV in consecutive days. Meh.
I was 100% sure he would DNF after being dropped like a stone by Pog, but he kept fighting and actually recovered pretty well from his efforts.
Hard to know if he will improve his endurance to the point he could win a race of this caliber but this is a good starting point.
Main issue for me is that riding for UAE he will have limited chances to test himself as a captain in AGR, LBL, Lombardia or even Sanremo.
Very long season and it seems like UAE will have him ride Agostoni, Bernocchi and 3VV in consecutive days. Meh.
Yo! Juan who dropped you? You can't say the name? Even if he says IDT..the Mexican guy, the guy from my old team, the guy who subbed for me at the Giro, the guy that confirmed UAE was a crowded house.. Come on Juan!
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Del Toro seems to have poor endurance in terms of threshold and how long he can go really hard continuously, but his in race recovery if he goes back to chill in a group for a while seems superb. Also, he's just ridiculously explosive.
Fleche Wallone in good weather I might just pick Del Toro over Pogacar if they both went to the Mur together and were allowed to duke it out.
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Ayuso's comment on different parts of the route suiting different riders is pretty interesting. This route wasn't that climber friendly, becuase there's more to climber friendliness than raw altitude gain.
Without Mont Kigali, I think Van der Poel and Van Aert could compete at their peaks.
I wouldn't consider 2020 a reference year. It was the year of COVID, and Pogacar had just won the Tour de France against the best cyclist in the world, Roglic. Del Toro hasn't won the Giro against Carapaz and Simon Yates, who are far from their best.
Pogacar has always had to manage the World Championships after fighting for the Tour de France. Del Toro has been riding in secondary races since the Giro to prepare for the World Championships. He doesn't have the pressure that Pogacar had had since 2020 at the Tour de France.
Pogacar continues to win in the comparison; in his second year, he won the Tour de France for best cyclist in the world. And in a UAE that was a mediocre team.
I don't see it that way. Pogacar was behind Ayuso'; it seems he didn't expect Del Toro to attack. He had to overtake Ayuso and get on Del Toro's wheel.
I don't think Del Toro would have withstood an attack from Pogacar. Later Pogacar went at a slower pace to keep Del Toro on his side longer.
By the way, Del Toro should finish his season. He may be in great physical shape, but they should think ahead and not burn him out so much this season, also mentally.
And that way, they can take advantage of the opportunity to give Christen and other riders the lead in those Italian Classics and calm future conflicts with riders like him who aren't getting opportunities to lead any races. They should learn from the problems they had with Ayuso.
Del Toro will win those classics, but they have to consider the wear and tear he's accumulating at his age. The World Championships should have been his last race.
UAE doesn't think about these things and burns out riders. Then Pogacar talks about retiring at 27, and they get scared
. Del Toro is burning out in secondary races. They already have the record, they should prioritize what I say.Visma has already given Brennan a rest until Paris-Tours. He could certainly win four or five more races, but they won't want to burn him out.
Last year, Morgado was burned, and this year he's had a disappointing season. He started well in races with easy competition, but he's disappeared except someday.
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- Nov 16, 2013
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Did Skjelmose, Healy, Ciccone, Skujins, Pogacar and Evenepoel do all the races in Italy and Spain that Del Toro mopped up over the summer?
It could be a start list problem, you know.
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I also think the distance played a role.
San Sebastian was the other race he lost and he looked exhausted , other race over 200 km.
The Giro stage where Carapaz was superior to him was the mountain stage that combined more climbs with more kilometers.
His three worst days have been over 200 kilometers. I don't think it's a coincidence.
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He did a dumb attack on the third-last lap (I think, it could also have been the penultimate lap) and rode solo for around 20 kilometres before he was caught close to the decisive climb. That's why he didn't feature in the end.
+1000
Once again, Pogacar continues to be underestimated.
But they said Nys was more favorite this year...
And what happened yesterday in Mur Kigali wasn´t a situation of equality. Pogacar was on Ayuso's wheel and had to overtake him, but he still stayed on Del Toro's wheel. If Pogacar had attacked, Del Toro wouldn't have made it. It was clear that on the remaining climbs, Pogacar kept a slow pace so Del Toro could stay with him longer.
By the way , yesterday Del Toro was in a bad position in Mot Kigali, once again having to come from behind.
In FW, he'd already be at a disadvantage. And that's another reason why he shouldn't go to MSR next year.
Pogacar needs a perfect launch in San Remo, and at Cipressa, positioning is the most important.
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