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[Netserk]

Wasn't aware of that: that limits my "negligible impact" comment. Do you know who and whether he was hurt in the fall?

LRCP mentioned one, I didn't catch the name.

 

[Netserk]

LRCP mentioned one, I didn't catch the name.

Petilli fell.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1962884240984453490

View: https://x.com/Eurosport_FR/status/1962884240984453490

 

[red_flanders]

Neither of us know whether the pro-Palestinian flag wavers were grouped together at that corner by their own determination, or whether the police brought that about: either way, the fact that there was an identifiable point at which a disruption might have been attempted made a concentration of security possible, that thankfully meant there was minimal impact.

No idea, they might have been, but there was no shortage of such flags on the last climb and at the finish.

 

[Netserk]

Petilli fell.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1962884240984453490

View: https://x.com/Eurosport_FR/status/1962884240984453490

Confirmed by a video from one of the protesters (would have posted the source tweet if not for grapes).

https://twitter.com/x/status/1962932425836622051

View: https://x.com/faustocoppi60/status/1962932425836622051

 

[red_flanders]

Anyone willfully putting themselves in front of a pack of speeding riders for any reason is...
a) An idiot, with little regard for their own or the riders' safety
b) I would hope instantly incarcerated for reckless endangerment (or whatever a country's equivalent law might allow)

 

[hayneplane]

probably they're thinking of changing the team name? maybe doing like HIGH-ROAD team who kept riding using T-Mobile money but under a different name
in the Basque country tomorrow they'll find Palestine flags everywhere

It would be surprising if they did that as the whole purpose of the team is an expression of soft power to promote brand Israel.

Changing names to try and make it like any random team would contradict that completely.

 

[search]

apparently there's some talk about the team having to leave the Vuelta

https://twitter.com/x/status/1963199837995704723

View: https://x.com/friebos/status/1963199837995704723

 

[Netserk]

I think it's crazy for competitors to reward violence and to use the threat of it to expel a team. Shameless.

 

[carolina]

Give them some plain jerseys, no logos, and let them ride. Makes no sense to me to remove them.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Give them some plain jerseys, no logos, and let them ride. Makes no sense to me to remove them.

Plain jerseys with no logos aren‘t super sneaky.

 

[Samamba]

That's for the UCI to decide

Not really UCI just followed the mass of Western countries that sanctioned Russia (and Russian state companies like Gazprom). If I remember correctly they could still go on with a different sponsor (but obviously everyone knew that was impossible). It's obviously still a big difference cause the western world doesn't want to go that far with Israel.

Anyways there is a pretty simple solution. Don't let teams be named after countries, yes they will indirectly (via companies) still be sponsored by them but at least you're not promoting them that outright.

And for now, indeed, for safety, just ask them to wear something plain from now on, in a different colour. You don't bend over for people who cross lines when they protest but at least your try to diffuse the situation a bit (actual radicalized protesters won't stop tho).

 

[hrotha]

Obviously the Vuelta can't kick them out after accepting them in the race in the first place. They made their bed etc etc

If it's a serious security concern they can always cancel stages or call off the whole race

 

[Berniece]

Not really UCI just followed the mass of Western countries that sanctioned Russia (and Russian state companies like Gazprom). If I remember correctly they could still go on with a different sponsor (but obviously everyone knew that was impossible). It's obviously still a big difference cause the western world doesn't want to go that far with Israel.

Anyways there is a pretty simple solution. Don't let teams be named after countries, yes they will indirectly (via companies) still be sponsored by them but at least you're not promoting them that outright.

And for now, indeed, for safety, just ask them to wear something plain from now on, in a different colour. You don't bend over for people who cross lines when they protest but at least your try to diffuse the situation a bit (actual radicalized protesters won't stop tho).

I just meant that the decision lies with the UCI, who won't make a decision here.

I can't see them wear different colours either. Some staff members will be too pissed about it.

 

[Samamba]

Some staff members will be too pissed about it.

They barely have Israeli staff members lmao.
The problem is obviously just Adams.
Also the team has already scrapped Israel from a lot of their cars and busses, some of them also train in a different jersey.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

Obviously the Vuelta can't kick them out after accepting them in the race in the first place. They made their bed etc etc

If it's a serious security concern they can always cancel stages or call off the whole race

Whatever else is true, I think the Vuelta would have been in legal trouble had they disregarded IPT's automatic wildcard.

 

[search]

Also the team has already scrapped Israel from a lot of their cars and busses

I noticed that as well, probably to make them as less easy target.

Not sure it would really change much anymore to take the name off the jersey, though, or not for the current race at least.

 

[hrotha]

Whatever else is true, I think the Vuelta would have been in legal trouble had they disregarded IPT's automatic wildcard.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

The logic here is basically that if you get assaulted, you need to wear an ankle bracelet and abide by a restraining Order so you don‘t get near the offender, right?

 

[RedheadDane]

Not sure it would really change much anymore to take the name off the jersey, though, or not for the current race at least.

As you say, it probably won't change much, but I wonder if they could get their neutral jerseys to Spain, and then just... refuse to wear those with 'Israel' on...

 

[Netserk]

As you say, it probably won't change much, but I wonder if they could get their neutral jerseys to Spain, and then just... refuse to wear those with 'Israel' on...

The whole peloton should ride in neutral clothing then.

 

[pastronef]

what has changed from July to now? is the TDF that powerful so the people on the road don't protest? or maybe Spanish people are very different from French and Italian?

 

[Netserk]

what has changed from July to now? is the TDF that powerful so the people on the road don't protest? or maybe Spanish people are very different from French and Italian?

Facts on the ground have changed. Media coverage has changed. Spain, and especially some regions, is quite different to France. The Tour is more resourceful.

So all of the above.

 

[Netserk]

Good to hear that they will keep fighting!

https://twitter.com/x/status/1963309612892831929

View: https://x.com/laflammerouge16/status/1963309612892831929

 

[Cookster15]

what has changed from July to now? is the TDF that powerful so the people on the road don't protest? or maybe Spanish people are very different from French and Italian?

Farmers protested at the 2018 TDF - stage 16. Police used tear gas. I just did a quick search. But lets please keep the politics out. Really isn't difficult.

 

[CyclistAbi]

As for the responsibility:

Until UCI takes a stance on it, whatever that will be, things will remain rather moot. So foremost lions share of responsibility here is on UCI and their lack of engagement. They need to do their part first and other parties then to follow.

As for the protesters:

Protesters IMHO won't go away until IPT is participating in cycling events and IMHO organisers have no means to either expel the IPT or to stop the protesters. They can for example cancel the event altogether.

As for the IPT:

AFAIK there was no public statement being made in terms of their support or being against the war in Palestine. So if the stance is they support it, then obviously protesting, whenever they race, that will only escalate. If they would instead condemn the war in Palestine then IMHO IPT would be under less scrutiny, at least for now.

So all in all i see three options. IPT to condemn the war in Palestine, that would IMHO de-escalate protesting, or if for whatever reasons IPT doesn't want to condemn the war in Palestine, to leave the race and to not participate in future events, through duration of the war in Palastine or for UCI to expel teams associated with Israel till the end of war in Palestine, just like UCI has done when Russia invaded Ukraine.

I honestly don't see any other option and pretending things won't only escalate more if participation isn't prevented, that is IMHO irresponsible. If something serious happens hence objectively UCI is at fault here.