Teams & Riders Israel Premier Tech

[aphronesis]

Le rêve israélien d'un Grand Départ du Tour de France : «Nous avons déjà amené le Giro ici, tout est possible»

Après avoir accueilli le départ du Giro 2018, Israël pourrait bien organiser, un jour, l'étape inaugurale du Tour de France, comme le laisse entendre Dafna Lang, la présidente de la Fédération israélienne de cyclisme.

www.lequipe.fr

 

[Wyndbrook]

Le rêve israélien d'un Grand Départ du Tour de France : «Nous avons déjà amené le Giro ici, tout est possible»

Après avoir accueilli le départ du Giro 2018, Israël pourrait bien organiser, un jour, l'étape inaugurale du Tour de France, comme le laisse entendre Dafna Lang, la présidente de la Fédération israélienne de cyclisme.

www.lequipe.fr

Another deplorable idea, let's just keep adding to the global warming party.
I suppose the small town mayor will just exempt the Tour from his upcoming sustainability regulations.

 

[pastronef]

I've read rumors in an Italian forum about Orbea supplying bikes in 2026 but I haven't found any info elsewhere

 

[carolina]

A spanish brand? That's ironic...

 

[pastronef]

A spanish brand? That's ironic...

I'd look forward to the reactions if that happens

 

[Samamba]

A spanish brand? That's ironic...

Not just Spanish, but Basque. Would be absolutely hilarious if true.

 

[CyclistAbi]

For now it seems that the underlying issues settled a bit, we as a cycling community did our part and i am proud of that. It turned out that only the very top governance of cycling didn't want to apply any pressure whatsoever, the rest of us and to some extent all did.

Anyway, theoretically hence everything is possible, practically i feel that a lot of things will need to get sorted out before such event to actually take place again and to be accepted by general public as something normal.

 

[Mayomaniac]

A spanish brand? That's ironic...

Basque, that makes it even worse...

Not just Spanish, but Basque. Would be absolutely hilarious if true.

Beat me to it!

 

[Basecase]

Any word on "Cycling Academy" getting a sponsor, any sponsors yet? Or a bike provider? Is there a pending deadline for such to be confirmed.....

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Any word on "Cycling Academy" getting a sponsor, any sponsors yet? Or a bike provider? Is there a pending deadline for such to be confirmed.....

As far as I am aware, they need to provide the financial guarantees to the UCI with the application that was announced as approved a couple of weeks ago (this was the basis of the Jayco delay), but the source of it is still unclear.


Adams bankrolling as a last resort, but almost anonymously, like Rabobank and Blanco Cycling a few years ago?

 

[red_flanders]

Adams bankrolling as a last resort, but almost anonymously, like Rabobank and Blanco Cycling a few years ago?

I know this isn't your point–but I tend to think that if the bar is avoiding protests, who is bankrolling won't matter that much. Taking the name off the jersey is really all that is going to make the difference to the protesters, and really the PR game. Tough to go out there and sustain a substantive protest of a team because one doesn't like who bankrolls it. The optics just aren't there. I'd be pretty surprised if 90% of that crowd could have named the team owner in the Vuelta.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I know this isn't your point–but I tend to think that if the bar is avoiding protests, who is bankrolling won't matter that much. Taking the name off the jersey is really all that is going to make the difference to the protesters, and really the PR game. Tough to go out there and sustain a substantive protest of a team because one doesn't like who bankrolls it. The optics just aren't there. I'd be pretty surprised if 90% of that crowd could have named the team owner in the Vuelta.

I simply meant that Adams will put the money up unless anyone else does. If he cannot use it to promote whatever he would wish to promote, he'd far rather someone else pay to advertise something else. But (afaik) he still owns the team, and to his credit is not just abandoning it to go into liquidation.

 

[red_flanders]

I simply meant that Adams will put the money up unless anyone else does. If he cannot use it to promote whatever he would wish to promote, he'd far rather someone else pay to advertise something else. But (afaik) he still owns the team, and to his credit is not just abandoning it to go into liquidation.

Understood.

 

[proffate]

Seems Biniam Girmay is linked to the team formerly known as Israel PT. Brilliant PR move if so.

 

[Leadbelly]

Seems Biniam Girmay is linked to the team formerly known as Israel PT.

Unless I'm reading it wrong, this article has him now more leaning towards staying with Lottomarche with a crucial meeting today.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1985411920908681374

View: https://x.com/DHCyclisme/status/1985411920908681374


God knows who we'd be able to get instead if he does decide to stay. I'd be dreading Welsford.

 

[pastronef]

Unless I'm reading it wrong, this article has him now more leaning towards staying with Lottomarche with a crucial meeting today.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1985411920908681374

View: https://x.com/DHCyclisme/status/1985411920908681374


God knows who we'd be able to get instead if he does decide to stay. I'd be dreading Welsford.

who's WE?
ps. I hope Girmay leaves and goes to Premiertech

 

[hayneplane]

Seems Biniam Girmay is linked to the team formerly known as Israel PT. Brilliant PR move if so.

Not for Bini. It would see him lose a lot of the neutral support of those who enjoy seeing him win if their favourite riders don’t or are not riding.

The money will be good as that as the only pull factor that team has to offer.

 

[pastronef]

Not for Bini. It would see him lose a lot of the neutral support of those who enjoy seeing him win if their favourite riders don’t or are not riding.

The money will be good as that as the only pull factor that team has to offer.

if the teams will be called Premiertech and won't be promoting Israel anymore, I don't see him losing any neutral support

 

[search]

in the DH article it said that his biggest concern would likely be having competitive equipment. I guess Orbea is not the ideal choice.

The Woods interview this summer didn't sound like this recently was the case at IPT either, though. So although Girmay may have different priorities than him, it may also depend on the team sticking to Factor bikes or not, or what else they could offer.

 

[pastronef]

in the DH article it said that his biggest concern would likely be having competitive equipment. I guess Orbea is not the ideal choice.

The Woods interview this summer didn't sound like this recently was the case at IPT either, though. So although Girmay may have different priorities than him, it may also depend on the team sticking to Factor bikes or not, or what else they could offer.

a rumor on the Italian BDC-forum had Orbea for Premiertech. I asked more but I got no other details nor something more factual/believable

 

[Samamba]

in the DH article it said that his biggest concern would likely be having competitive equipment. I guess Orbea is not the ideal choice.

The Woods interview this summer didn't sound like this recently was the case at IPT either, though. So although Girmay may have different priorities than him, it may also depend on the team sticking to Factor bikes or not, or what else they could offer.

As if Orbea is worse than Cube which he was on. This material thing has been coming back for 2 years straight when it's about Girmay. And not just Girmay, also other Carrera managed riders so you know where that's coming from.

 

[Faserr]

Cube Aerobike isn't slow.

 

[hayneplane]

Of course I meant for the team. Can you imagine a protestor tackling one of if not the only black dude in the peloton? I can't.

For Bini the biggest advantage is a less fugly kit. But I guess that's guaranteed either way. But lotto doesn't have a pr problem to sportswash so doesn't get as much value from hiring him, so I would have to guess that ipt would offer him more money, yes. And/or less pressure to perform. I seem to remember reading that Bini doesn't like sticking to a training plan.

Edit: just checked and 100% of the 2025 staff and roster is of European or Israeli ancestry. Make of that what you will.

That last part is very surprising given the strong Canadian links present with the team sponsorship.

 

[Unchained]

I know this isn't your point–but I tend to think that if the bar is avoiding protests, who is bankrolling won't matter that much. Taking the name off the jersey is really all that is going to make the difference to the protesters, and really the PR game. Tough to go out there and sustain a substantive protest of a team because one doesn't like who bankrolls it. The optics just aren't there. I'd be pretty surprised if 90% of that crowd could have named the team owner in the Vuelta.

Unless I read you wrong, I disagree with this. Sylvan Adams association will doom the team, lipstick and new dress are not going to be enough. His back and forth social media exchanges with Netanyahu and others will likely not fade in time. And because of public exposure and pressure, if roots remain and some cosmetic changes, like new name, country of origin for the team will easily be seen as an unsophisticated distraction from team ownership, leadership. If fans or angry public feel they have been fleeced , trouble will probably follow.
UCI is making catastrophic moves, all the way down to Barcelona mayor breathing easy to see that Israel Premier Tech was not part of race promotion. All cities, race organizations, racers should have already been given absolute insurance that the conditions that existed for danger on the roads, standing in gallery and at hotels, out training in Vuelta have been addressed, solved, put to bed.
Who is bankrolling the team is super significant and if core of team funding is Israeli based problems are a given.

 

[red_flanders]

Unless I read you wrong, I disagree with this. Sylvan Adams association will doom the team, lipstick and new dress are not going to be enough. His back and forth social media exchanges with Netanyahu and others will likely not fade in time. And because of public exposure and pressure, if roots remain and some cosmetic changes, like new name, country of origin for the team will easily be seen as an unsophisticated distraction from team ownership, leadership. If fans or angry public feel they have been fleeced , trouble will probably follow.
UCI is making catastrophic moves, all the way down to Barcelona mayor breathing easy to see that Israel Premier Tech was not part of race promotion. All cities, race organizations, racers should have already been given absolute insurance that the conditions that existed for danger on the roads, standing in gallery and at hotels, out training in Vuelta have been addressed, solved, put to bed.
Who is bankrolling the team is super significant and if core of team funding is Israeli based problems are a given.

You did read me correctly, I'll try to add color.

I guess I have a fairly negative view of the protestors. The analysis of what's happening in that part of the world, from many elements of that camp, seems hugely superficial to me. As such, I wonder how many really know what Adams is doing or even who he is. Maybe I'm projecting.

I do think there is inherent difficulty in making a protest stick when the trigger word(s) are not on the jersey anymore, and the case around who might be pulling strings behind the scenes is a lot harder to make, and a lot harder for those with a superficial interest to hang onto.

I could be wrong. I don't follow the details closely enough to have a terribly informed view. I guess it's hard to see some protestor diving at a peloton in motion, or trying to stop a stage when there's nothing but background machinations to drive the outrage. Just a lack of fuel for that very public fire to burn. Of course it will continue to madden those more informed and motivated, but for protest at scale, you kinda need the causal anger. I think it's probably harder to drum that up without the trigger word.