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Fourier

Fourier

Sep 19, 2009
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Screw ZDF and ARD, technically they are not even free and actually their coverage sucks. They use doping just as a cowardly excuse not to use "precious" TV time on a beautiful sport and rather show crap or people killing themselves in stunts just to keep barely acceptable ratings.
They also managed to make Cycling into a synonim for doping in german society ignoring the dope-a-thon in soccer, winter sports, track and field etc. Out of sight, out of mind? WTF
Thanks for giving up!
 
craig1985

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So from what I understand that, even if you don't have cable-TV, you still get Eurosport 1 in Germany?
 
Andy99

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craig1985 said:
So from what I understand that, even if you don't have cable-TV, you still get Eurosport 1 in Germany?
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If you have got a satellite dish, you can get it free anywhere in Europe - German language only on digital though. Still, theres always the British Eurosport audio feeds...
 
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donald_w7

Oct 23, 2010
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Like a number of people here have said: the German media are obsessed with doping. I still haven't forgiven them for the time I missed seeing the Arenberg forest because they were broadcasting a discussion on doping instead. It's completely hypocritical. They were happy when Ulrich and Telekom were bring in the publicity but then turned on them when they "discovered" they were cheating. But when the German football team cheat, no one says a word. I believe that ratings have fallen, but when the media here are telling everybody that all cyclists are dopers then it is no wonder.

So I say good ridance. I'll either watch Eurosport or find a live stream on the net.

P.S. Eurosport technically isn't free is it, you are supposed to pay GEZ tax. Why I should pay anything so they can dump on my favourite sport is beyond me though.
 
spalco

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I think that may be part of the reason the German media, and ARD/ZDF especially are so relentlessly anti-doping, that they are embarrassed about how they licked Ullrich's boots for years and turned a completely blind eye to maybe one of the most sophisticated systematic doping programs of all time in cycling. So now they are maybe subconsciously trying to make up for that.
 
stainlessguy1

stainlessguy1

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donald_w7 said:
Like a number of people here have said: the German media are obsessed with doping. I still haven't forgiven them for the time I missed seeing the Arenberg forest because they were broadcasting a discussion on doping instead. It's completely hypocritical. They were happy when Ulrich and Telekom were bring in the publicity but then turned on them when they "discovered" they were cheating. But when the German football team cheat, no one says a word. I believe that ratings have fallen, but when the media here are telling everybody that all cyclists are dopers then it is no wonder.

So I say good ridance. I'll either watch Eurosport or find a live stream on the net.

P.S. Eurosport technically isn't free is it, you are supposed to pay GEZ tax. Why I should pay anything so they can dump on my favourite sport is beyond me though.
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well thats about it . Nothing to do with *The past* like some suggest but more too do with the automobile society that most see themself in like many western nations . They just take it to extreems again . Although there are a lot of cycling fans in Germany, it is still a plague when the well to do have their say in it . Cars Cars and more Cars and the bicycle is regarded as the past . It has been a struggle .
I almost got nailed while training over there many years ago because i wasnt using the bike path . Some moron in a black mercedes . WE did end up catching this guy and had a word with him . ( i didnt know i could sprint that fast , i could of won a tour stage , lol )
To my surprise he apologized . My buddy stated, "boy you have some rough customs in Canada" ( i was a wee bit on the vocal side when we did ) , I said ya , we play hockey and every now and then the sticks come up . lol .

Anyway you slice it , the tour coverage should remain intact and the dope issue should be addressed seperately and not as the only thing on TV . personalized sensorship has no place in media , keep it real and report the facts . 😎
 
stainlessguy1

stainlessguy1

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spalco said:
I think that may be part of the reason the German media, and ARD/ZDF especially are so relentlessly anti-doping, that they are embarrassed about how they licked Ullrich's boots for years and turned a completely blind eye to maybe one of the most sophisticated systematic doping programs of all time in cycling. So now they are maybe subconsciously trying to make up for that.
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WEll i think that is true too, but, to the people in Germany ; It had the same effect as Ben Johnson's olympic run did when he was caught . People here didnt want to believe that , that is the kind of thing that just doesnt happen here , in Canada . However , You dont see the networks pulling out of the olympic track events coverage and not showing the next olympics here or from any other network in any country that i know of .
I bet if you did a poll over there now , the networks would get huge support from the non cycling public .😎
 
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donald_w7

Oct 23, 2010
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stainlessguy1 said:
I almost got nailed while training over there many years ago because i wasnt using the bike path . Some moron in a black mercedes .
To my surprise he apologized .
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Well there was your mistake. You didn't follow the rules😉 They're very fond of their rules here. Generally I find German driver's very courteous towards cyclists. Certainly much better than other places I have lived and trained (Australia, UK, S. Korea) Cycling as commuting is a way of life and the road rules are very much in cyclists favour. German drivers are much nicer to cyclists than to other drivers in my experience.

Perhaps this liking of rules is part of the problem re:doping. The public sees it as a black and white issue. Rules broken = bad sport. So the obvious answer is: legalise doping.. er.. medical support 😀
 
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leadville

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Like mentioned before, it's the same in the UK. If it would not be for Wiggins, Cavendish etc. it would pretty much be the same situation. In the end, it is all about money.
 
stainlessguy1

stainlessguy1

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donald_w7 said:
Well there was your mistake. You didn't follow the rules😉 They're very fond of their rules here. Generally I find German driver's very courteous towards cyclists. Certainly much better than other places I have lived and trained (Australia, UK, S. Korea) Cycling as commuting is a way of life and the road rules are very much in cyclists favour. German drivers are much nicer to cyclists than to other drivers in my experience.

Perhaps this liking of rules is part of the problem re:doping. The public sees it as a black and white issue. Rules broken = bad sport. So the obvious answer is: legalise doping.. er.. medical support 😀
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Donald , yes you are absolutely correct on all counts , i wasnt following the rules , it was a long time ago , in the eighties i think . ( i have to go back and check my racing licenses ) . They are fond of rules and regulations it is a way of life as is performance . For the most part drivers are more used to it and the sport did develope better . The only issue i had with him is , simply because i made a mistake , It didnt give him the right to maim me . People make mistakes from time to time . It is everyones job to avoid a collision regardless of who is right or wrong . To use a car as a battering ram because i wasnt on the bike path , and that was the only reason , is simply not a right . That showed me that although the country is sport enthusiastic in all counts , there wasnt a distinction made between athlete and commuter .
As many people know , it is very hard to train at top speed on bike paths ,, from time to time you need to use the road . AS i said , he did apologize and we parted in a positive way with no bar room brawl . smiles 😎
 
Ryo Hazuki

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spalco said:
I think that may be part of the reason the German media, and ARD/ZDF especially are so relentlessly anti-doping, that they are embarrassed about how they licked Ullrich's boots for years and turned a completely blind eye to maybe one of the most sophisticated systematic doping programs of all time in cycling. So now they are maybe subconsciously trying to make up for that.
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wir haben es nicht gewusst...

No punt intended here but trying to spot a problem germany still faces today. shame (to outside world) that they don't need to have.
 
stainlessguy1

stainlessguy1

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New headlines regarding the media ...

So back on topic with some news regarding the pull out of the media . From a Pro riders words , please see link if you already havent read it .

Linus Gerdemann , states the situation regarding the media and the winning back the trust . I think the article is well said . Please read under news on the news link from cycling news . no copy paste necessary here .
"The German media is focused around doping more than the sport itself. " said Gerdemann .
I think that says it all in one sentence , and i guess we can all take a little snippet from that considering the doping is the number one topic of choice with all the posters here .
Kindof funny how that goes . 😎
 
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