If Jumbo Visma really wanted to win the race, they would have come with a different team. The line up tells me, that this is more a preparation race. Obviously they would like to win it too, but not at all costs. Having Roglic not in the leaders jersey on Saturday will probably protect him from going to deep.
- Feb 20, 2012
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I think he will if they get to Arrate in one group
- May 19, 2012
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That might be true but it still was a textbook Rabofail imho.
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If they win the race from here it's Rogla that deserves the raise, not the tacticians, because his strength has bailed them out again.
Besides, if UAE weren't happy with the situation, wouldn't they have pulled McNulty back or at least had him not taking turns? If Jumbo are so terrified of Tadej that they are willing to jeopardise their chances of winning the race by letting somebody - anybody - get up the road no matter how big a threat, just to stop Pogačar from getting bonus seconds that he's no guarantee of getting (the finish was flat, and there was also people like Valverde in that group), then they deserve to lose.
Besides, I checked the 2019 Giro recaps, and it was indeed Jumbo-Visma that were so obsessed with Landa not gaining time that they sat by doing nothing watching Carapaz ride away and gain enough time to win the race, so they very much are repeating a tactic which they used before, and which failed.
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If Vingegaard has the legs and goes, UAE will have to close and burn their matches. Then it's up to PR to bring it home.
- Jul 10, 2014
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You guys, it's clearly Adam Yates who will attack and win the race overall, while UAE and TJV will look at each other. I could even see Valverde stealing a podium.
- May 5, 2010
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Organisers are gonna be so pissed! Just imagine; they wanna hold the podium ceremony, and there's no frikkin' podium!
- Sep 11, 2016
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This has the hallmarks of MSR in which all the talk was of WVA and MVDP to win, only for an unexpected to go on the attack like Stuyven and take the win. I was just in the process of writing when Lequack mentioned Yates winning. He's kept himself quiet this race, whether that's on purpose for this stage or he doesn't have the legs. But I'm gonna go for Bilbao to spoil the party to make both JV and UAE look silly.
- Jan 4, 2020
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So what happens if someone like Yates goes? I'd imagine Valverde, Landa, maybe Schachmann, Vansevenant, Knox, or Chaves or Izagirre... to go, too. It doesn't look like any of them so far has the strength to just leave the others behind. So the UAE and Jumbo leaders will be able to hang themselves onto them, getting lead to the front again, even if they don't react immediately.
I expect it to come down to the last climb, even if no team controls the race with all might. Some of the contenders will be left behind, but not all of them.
I expect it to come down to the last climb, even if no team controls the race with all might. Some of the contenders will be left behind, but not all of them.
- May 5, 2010
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That would also help bumb that awesomely named thread of his.
- Feb 20, 2012
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Giro 2019 it was Nibali who took the sprint for third and bonis Im fairly sure Roglic was stone dead and afraid of getting dropped/countered there. I think Courmayeur was more on Nibali than on Roglic
TJV chased McNulty yesterday during the climb but then let him go in the descent. This makes me think they were actually worried about Landa not McNulty, which seems related to what happened in the Giro 2019 with Carapaz. I mean, what has Landa done to be more feared than anyone else?
- Jan 4, 2020
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So far Johnymax has come up with the explanation that's most plausible to me: They had a plan which would have put them in a comfortable position if it had been executed perfectly, with Vingegaard winning the stage and bonus seconds and Roglic not being far behind.
I wonder how they estimate the riders. Maybe they rate Vingegaard higher than me (although I have him on my cq-team, so happy to be wrong...), Roglic worse than me, Pogacar higher and McNulty worse.
I still think I'm smarter than Niermann.
There are two things about which I agree with CyclistAbi, though: It was a deliberate decision by Jumbo and Saturday we will know more.
I wonder how they estimate the riders. Maybe they rate Vingegaard higher than me (although I have him on my cq-team, so happy to be wrong...), Roglic worse than me, Pogacar higher and McNulty worse.
I still think I'm smarter than Niermann.
There are two things about which I agree with CyclistAbi, though: It was a deliberate decision by Jumbo and Saturday we will know more.
- Jul 16, 2015
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So far Johnymax has come up with the explanation that's most plausible to me: They had a plan which would have put them in a comfortable position if it had been executed perfectly, with Vingegaard winning the stage and bonus seconds and Roglic not being far behind.
I wonder how they estimate the riders. Maybe they rate Vingegaard higher than me (although I have him on my cq-team, so happy to be wrong...), Roglic worse than me, Pogacar higher and McNulty worse.
I still think I'm smarter than Niermann.
There are two things about which I agree with CyclistAbi, though: It was a deliberate decision by Jumbo and Saturday we will know more.
The most logical explanation is what Grischa Niermann sees & we don't, i.e. his riders were on the brink of exploding when controlling the peloton in the early parts of yesterday's stage (& the previous stages), hence why Primoz himself at one point slipped into a small breakaway (before the TV broadcast started) in order to alleviate some of the stress on his teammates.
Once the situation presented itself at the end of the stage, they made a tactical decision to retreat from the moment their main rival didn't gain from the decision. That would be Pogacar of course. I mean all the talk (especially from guys like Chris Horner) about the best tactics to employ in a bike race is all well & good, but there's no point giving orders to riders to cannot implement them. So what if Primoz kept the jersey & his entire team exploded today & tomorrow? Would that be smart? I'm not just playing devil's advocate here or defending TJV whatever they do, but it's a bit like people criticizing Movistar all the time: only they know what their own riders can or cannot do.
- Jun 25, 2012
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In general people assign too much importance and power to DSes imo. Things just happen. This was a situation that developed because of the race: Jonas followed and controlled on the descent; normally Primoz would be close and could go with the group as well; then they could have worked from that point and put pressure on Pogacar and the rest. That didn't happen and so it was a different situation. Something else happened. The DS could have told Jonas to wait and in that case the gap could have been reduced by maybe 25 seconds but it was a tough call to make.
Sleeping it over, what JV did yesterday is:
They removed Pogačar from Roglič wheel and put Pogačar in front of McNulty. For remaining two stages. If McNulty would be 10s ahead of Roglič, that would still not happen. They removed Roglič and his team from the position of being jersey defenders on stage 6. By letting more GC contenders closer they made the race harder. If UAE will still bet on Pogačar, JV didn't lost anything at all yesterday. Stage 5 might tell already on who they will bet.
Was it stupid or not? I don't know and we will soon find out. In my opinion Roglič should be capable of taking 23s from McNulty on this race. Compared to defending the jersey and around 16s or less against Pogačar. I don't necessarily see Roglič being in worst position now.
I agree this was a gamble and it might or it might not pay off. For sure the same can be said going against the original plan UAE had on this race.
They removed Pogačar from Roglič wheel and put Pogačar in front of McNulty. For remaining two stages. If McNulty would be 10s ahead of Roglič, that would still not happen. They removed Roglič and his team from the position of being jersey defenders on stage 6. By letting more GC contenders closer they made the race harder. If UAE will still bet on Pogačar, JV didn't lost anything at all yesterday. Stage 5 might tell already on who they will bet.
Was it stupid or not? I don't know and we will soon find out. In my opinion Roglič should be capable of taking 23s from McNulty on this race. Compared to defending the jersey and around 16s or less against Pogačar. I don't necessarily see Roglič being in worst position now.
I agree this was a gamble and it might or it might not pay off. For sure the same can be said going against the original plan UAE had on this race.
- Apr 5, 2015
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So far Johnymax has come up with the explanation that's most plausible to me: They had a plan which would have put them in a comfortable position if it had been executed perfectly, with Vingegaard winning the stage and bonus seconds and Roglic not being far behind.
I wonder how they estimate the riders. Maybe they rate Vingegaard higher than me (although I have him on my cq-team, so happy to be wrong...), Roglic worse than me, Pogacar higher and McNulty worse.
I still think I'm smarter than Niermann.
There are two things about which I agree with CyclistAbi, though: It was a deliberate decision by Jumbo and Saturday we will know more.
The thing is that Roglic and his teammate seemed to be trying to disrupt the chase (e.g. soft turns on the front and Roglic swinging out from his teammate's wheel). It was almost like they were looking at it as a one day race and just wanted to maximise the chance of Vingegaard winning from the front group.
- Sep 2, 2011
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I'll focus on today's stage for a change.
Big opportunity for a break, I think. Mollema, Lutsenko, Cort, De Gendt and tons of other strong riders already out of GC.
Perhaps a few second tier GC riders will try to sneak in as well. Hermans needs points if he wants the KOM jersey.
Big opportunity for a break, I think. Mollema, Lutsenko, Cort, De Gendt and tons of other strong riders already out of GC.
Perhaps a few second tier GC riders will try to sneak in as well. Hermans needs points if he wants the KOM jersey.
- Feb 20, 2012
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Ceding the jersey is fine if you keep McNulty within one final km Arrate attack, so under 10s. This was just too much
- Sep 26, 2020
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I think Kamp has a better chance of making the break than Eg. ISN may also try to get Impey into the break.
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