Ivan Sosa discussion thread

[samhocking]

Gianni Savio is from cyclings past. He runs things on mafia logic, like most teams did then. He's one of the last, simply because he won't retire lol. Cycling contracts is the wild west, always has been and Savio is pretty good at it.

 

[ciranda]

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Gianni Savio is from cyclings past. He runs things on mafia logic, like most teams did then. He's one of the last, simply because he won't retire lol. Cycling contracts is the wild west, always has been and Savio is pretty good at it.

You don't get it. Read the tuttobici piece. Alberati facilitated a deal for Sosa with an amateur team and is his advisor/agent or whatever says the piece signed by his lawyer. Then an agent stepped in and Sosa changed his mind about what he had already agreed to. Savio has no part in the story other than he signed the rider to his team.

 

[staubsauger]

This happened before with Rujano when Acquadro badly advised him to break up with Savio and leave the 2006 Giro d'Italia! Later Jose himself fired Acquadro after Rujano and his Colombian manager were close to an agreement with Savio in fall 2010 and news broke that Acquadro in fact kept dealing with Movistar without authorization.

I don't get how people come to the conclusion that Savio is the one to blame here? Acquadro is a savvy weasel, nothing more! If you want to screw a Jewish Dutchman call him.

 

[samhocking]

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Gianni Savio is from cyclings past. He runs things on mafia logic, like most teams did then. He's one of the last, simply because he won't retire lol. Cycling contracts is the wild west, always has been and Savio is pretty good at it.

You don't get it. Read the tuttobici piece. Alberati facilitated a deal for Sosa with an amateur team and is his advisor/agent or whatever says the piece signed by his lawyer. Then an agent stepped in and Sosa changed his mind about what he had already agreed to. Savio has no part in the story other than he signed the rider to his team.

Savio gets a % of the riders new contract the rider(new team) has to pay as his development fee. It is in Savio's interest to get the biggest contract for his rider because the % is in the riders contract. However you cut it Savio gets money. He got it for Bernal + a release fee too let's not forget! Sosa is the same story simply the development bonus only.
I'm just saying there is an incentive for Savio to see his riders paid bigger contracts. Savio can very easily be ahead of the curve because he can inform another agent such as one with close links to Sky and tell him the stage of the paperwork. In Sosa's case Trek announced him as signed, yet they hadn't signed him. Sky's 5 years contract clearly gonna trump Treks two years, Savio gets more for his % from one simple phone call, Sosa gets told he can earn more money going to the other agent.

 

[WKA311]

Interesting read about his future on the front page. Rider agents, if shady, can be absolute cancer. Especially for inexperienced young Pros.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Interesting read about his future on the front page. Rider agents, if shady, can be absolute cancer. Especially for inexperienced young Pros.

According to a guy in the comments, it's already settled and he will be going to TREK.

If not, i found this interesting and it would serve as a cautionairy tale for other riders:

...meaning Sosa may have to respect his original contract with Androni Giocattoli, apparently worth just €45,000 for 2019, or pay another fee to Savio to get out of the contract.

 

[markene2]

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Gianni Savio is from cyclings past. He runs things on mafia logic, like most teams did then. He's one of the last, simply because he won't retire lol. Cycling contracts is the wild west, always has been and Savio is pretty good at it.

You don't get it. Read the tuttobici piece. Alberati facilitated a deal for Sosa with an amateur team and is his advisor/agent or whatever says the piece signed by his lawyer. Then an agent stepped in and Sosa changed his mind about what he had already agreed to. Savio has no part in the story other than he signed the rider to his team.

Savio gets a % of the riders new contract the rider(new team) has to pay as his development fee. It is in Savio's interest to get the biggest contract for his rider because the % is in the riders contract. However you cut it Savio gets money. He got it for Bernal + a release fee too let's not forget! Sosa is the same story simply the development bonus only.
I'm just saying there is an incentive for Savio to see his riders paid bigger contracts. Savio can very easily be ahead of the curve because he can inform another agent such as one with close links to Sky and tell him the stage of the paperwork. In Sosa's case Trek announced him as signed, yet they hadn't signed him. Sky's 5 years contract clearly gonna trump Treks two years, Savio gets more for his % from one simple phone call, Sosa gets told he can earn more money going to the other agent.

How about you stop your stupid "Savio italian old school big bad wolf" agatha christie crap and read the article on the front page. It is clearly Acquadros fault, he has puled similar shenanigans in the past

 

[LaFlorecita]

Really interesting to read in the article that Trek's offer was initially the best financially and Sosa didn't want to be 2nd fiddle at Sky, Trek even upped the value of the contract after Burgos and again so once Acquadro started to get involved. Honestly, it is just so obvious Sosa is a bit naive both because of his nature and his age and the weasel Acquadro is trying to use that to his own benefit. That guy just wants Sosa to sign as many contracts as possible so he can earn as much money as possible.

Important detail in the article that Trek have already paid the fee to Savio and the clause in Sosa's contract to leave early was only valid till 30th of July.

 

[LaFlorecita]

https://twitter.com/dnlbenson/status/1048466125049217024?s=19

 

[Red Rick]

Mind = blown.

This is the last attempt Trek are ever gonna do at signing a rider under the age of 32

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

According to "Revista Mundo Ciclistico" UCI has ruled he needs to go to TREK, unless he pays a huge fine.

google translated from wielerflits:

Update - 18.21 hours (5 October 2018): Sosa still to Trek-Segafredo

Ivan Sosa will ride for Trek-Segafredo in 2019. At least that is what Revista Mundo Ciclistico reports. The young Colombian, who would have been exchanged for a transfer to Team Sky after an announced agreement by the manager, would have a valid agreement with the Bauke Mollema team according to the judge. The change of agent (from Paolo Alberatti to Giuseppe Acquadro) would therefore not have helped.

The legal department of the UCI bases itself on all documents that Alberatti has submitted regarding the contact with Trek-Segafredo. If Sosa were to sign a contract with Team Sky yet, he would have to pay a hefty fine. Trek-Segafredo is counting on Sosa in 2019 with them and expects the rider at the end of this year at the first meeting, where the new kits, materials and programs are handed over. Team Sky would not consider taking a case to get Sosa to the team, given the standards within the cycling world. (Photo: Tour of the Alps)

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Mind = blown.

This is the last attempt Trek are ever gonna do at signing a rider under the age of 32

 

[Kwibus]

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Mind = blown.

This is the last attempt Trek are ever gonna do at signing a rider under the age of 32

Im not sure whats happening around this kid, but the people around him are disgusting. Sosa in the end is responsible, how naive and young he might be. It will be hard to like him after this crap.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Mind = blown.

This is the last attempt Trek are ever gonna do at signing a rider under the age of 32

Im not sure whats happening around this kid, but the people around him are disgusting. Sosa in the end is responsible, how naive and young he might be. It will be hard to like him after this crap.

Indeed. You can claim that "he's young, naive and inexperienced" all day long, but he's free to surround himself with whom he choses. I'm sure he knows somebody more trustworthy with a better judge of character he can trust. His parents, somebody from his early cycling days... Someone more experienced at life, wiser, less likely to be dazzled by bling bling and looking at the bigger picture. Does this guy want to become a pro cyclist, or cash in as soon as possible? I'm sure he's old enough to have a basic moral compass that tells him right from wrong.

 

[perico]

He’s young, but I’ve lost a lot of respect for this guy. I don’t actively root against riders, but this crap tests my patience.

 

[MatParker117]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/sosa-edges-closer-to-team-sky/

It's Sky

 

[RedheadDane]

Something I don't understand, if - as Giuseppe Acquadro claims - one of the issues was that Sosa never actually signed a contract from Trek, wouldn't it have been pretty easy to ask Trek to provide with the contract which according to them Sosa has already signed?
Then there's the whole bit with the new contract having to be signed before June - or was it July? - first, which, if Sosa hasn't signed any new contract by this time, should mean that he's obliged to stay with Androni.

 

[MatParker117]

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Something I don't understand, if - as Giuseppe Acquadro claims - one of the issues was that Sosa never actually signed a contract from Trek, wouldn't it have been pretty easy to ask Trek to provide with the contract which according to them Sosa has already signed?
Then there's the whole bit with the new contract having to be signed before June - or was it July? - first, which, if Sosa hasn't signed any new contract by this time, should mean that he's obliged to stay with Androni.

Sosa's original agents likely signed a letter of intent on his behalf which isn't legally binding. Prior to him signing an actual control Acaquadro gets involved and gets Sosa a better deal with Sky. Sky will likely pay the fine on Sosa's behalf as a signing on fee.

 

[RedheadDane]

Ah... so, Sosa didn't actually sign any contract with Trek.
However, if Trek already paid the buying-free-fee to Androni, does that mean Androni will have to pay Trek back? Or do Sky simply pay the money directly to Trek?

 

[MatParker117]

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Ah... so, Sosa didn't actually sign any contract with Trek.
However, if Trek already paid the buying-free-fee to Androni, does that mean Androni will have to pay Trek back? Or do Sky simply pay the money directly to Trek?

That's up to Trek's lawyers.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Ah... so, Sosa didn't actually sign any contract with Trek.
However, if Trek already paid the buying-free-fee to Androni, does that mean Androni will have to pay Trek back? Or do Sky simply pay the money directly to Trek?

Savio will have to pay back Guarcilena's money.
Really strange to see this soap play out. Seems they are now going against the UCI ruling and don't forget his contract only had a clause for an early departure up until 30th July 2018. So he and his manager better hope no lawyers get involved.
Will be hard to cheer for him from now on.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Something I don't understand, if - as Giuseppe Acquadro claims - one of the issues was that Sosa never actually signed a contract from Trek, wouldn't it have been pretty easy to ask Trek to provide with the contract which according to them Sosa has already signed?
Then there's the whole bit with the new contract having to be signed before June - or was it July? - first, which, if Sosa hasn't signed any new contract by this time, should mean that he's obliged to stay with Androni.

Sosa's original agents likely signed a letter of intent on his behalf which isn't legally binding. Prior to him signing an actual control Acaquadro gets involved and gets Sosa a better deal with Sky. Sky will likely pay the fine on Sosa's behalf as a signing on fee.

They had a verbal agreement which is legally binding, but hard to prove. However if there is emailed contact Trek could have a case here, if they want to put any effort into a clearly disloyal rider that is.

 

[Red Rick]

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Something I don't understand, if - as Giuseppe Acquadro claims - one of the issues was that Sosa never actually signed a contract from Trek, wouldn't it have been pretty easy to ask Trek to provide with the contract which according to them Sosa has already signed?
Then there's the whole bit with the new contract having to be signed before June - or was it July? - first, which, if Sosa hasn't signed any new contract by this time, should mean that he's obliged to stay with Androni.

Sosa's original agents likely signed a letter of intent on his behalf which isn't legally binding. Prior to him signing an actual control Acaquadro gets involved and gets Sosa a better deal with Sky. Sky will likely pay the fine on Sosa's behalf as a signing on fee.

They had a verbal agreement which is legally binding, but hard to prove. However if there is emailed contact Trek could have a case here, if they want to put any effort into a clearly disloyal rider that is.

Can't they just sue for a financial compensation?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

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Something I don't understand, if - as Giuseppe Acquadro claims - one of the issues was that Sosa never actually signed a contract from Trek, wouldn't it have been pretty easy to ask Trek to provide with the contract which according to them Sosa has already signed?
Then there's the whole bit with the new contract having to be signed before June - or was it July? - first, which, if Sosa hasn't signed any new contract by this time, should mean that he's obliged to stay with Androni.

Sosa's original agents likely signed a letter of intent on his behalf which isn't legally binding. Prior to him signing an actual control Acaquadro gets involved and gets Sosa a better deal with Sky. Sky will likely pay the fine on Sosa's behalf as a signing on fee.

They had a verbal agreement which is legally binding, but hard to prove. However if there is emailed contact Trek could have a case here, if they want to put any effort into a clearly disloyal rider that is.

It wouldn't be hard to prove at all, since he even recorded a video of him claiming he had joined TREK :lol: :lol:

It's all in the article.

Can't they just sue for a financial compensation?

That would seem obvious

 

[LaFlorecita]

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It wouldn't be hard to prove at all, since he even recorded a video of him claiming he had joined TREK :lol: :lol:

It's all in the article.

That's true, I forgot about that