Jan Ullrich still has it!!!

[chiocciolis_calves]

Re: Re:

Perhaps we should let a judge and jury decide who needs jail time, not our reaction to journalists' reports.

And the idea that imprisonment and assistance are mutually exclusive seems very retrogressive.

No thanks. My guess is that you didn't offer such an admonition when it concerned Harvey Weinstein or Jerry Sandusky or O.J. (if you were alive then) or Lance. This isn't a court of law.

Well that shows how wrong you will be if you try to make assumptions about me.

Ah, so we should reserve all judgment until a case has been adjudicated? What if it never goes to court? Does this principle apply in perpetuity?

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

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I just don't understand how he went from happy and well to this. Honestly he needs help and what ever happens from this altercation.

His wife left him and took the kids. He hasn't seen his children since Easter and has barely heard from them since.

Not saying she was wrong to leave him, but that was all Ullrich talked about in the media reports after the recent Mallorca arrest.

He claims he started taking amphetamines after.

 

[samhocking]

He's now been placed in a psychiatric hospital. Obviously the first step is to get off of what substances he's been taking first, so he can then get help to address the underlying mental health issues to help repair his relationship with his family. Good on Armstrong for offering to fly over and help him with a doctor too, that's a pretty noble thing to offer as no doubt Armstrong will recognise his own failings in Ullrich too.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Hello, the guy just tried to strangle a hooker and god knows he has driven more kilometres high as a kite than he ever did sober in his entire life. I'll have my laugh at his expense, no worries.

What a disgraceful attitude.

On topic: glad he is now getting the help he needs

 

[pastronef]

Re:

He's now been placed in a psychiatric hospital. Obviously the first step is to get off of what substances he's been taking first, so he can then get help to address the underlying mental health issues to help repair his relationship with his family. Good on Armstrong for offering to fly over and help him with a doctor too, that's a pretty noble thing to offer as no doubt Armstrong will recognise his own failings in Ullrich too.

I read here ad on twitter LA offered help
did he talk about that in his podcast? did he say it in an interview? cant find anything

 

[roundabout]

Re: Re:

I just don't understand how he went from happy and well to this. Honestly he needs help and what ever happens from this altercation.

His wife left him and took the kids. He hasn't seen his children since Easter and has barely heard from them since.

Not saying she was wrong to leave him, but that was all Ullrich talked about in the media reports after the recent Mallorca arrest.

He claims he started taking amphetamines after.

Or we can move the timeline even further and make a guess that his wife left him because he was already becoming unhinged.

Did he take any responsibility for his recent actions or was it the same old Jan in the media?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

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I just don't understand how he went from happy and well to this. Honestly he needs help and what ever happens from this altercation.

His wife left him and took the kids. He hasn't seen his children since Easter and has barely heard from them since.

Not saying she was wrong to leave him, but that was all Ullrich talked about in the media reports after the recent Mallorca arrest.

He claims he started taking amphetamines after.

Or we can move the timeline even further and make a guess that his wife left him because he was already becoming unhinged.

I suppose you could, if you consider yourself entitled to make judgements about a person based on what you admit is no more than a guess.

 

[Carols]

Re:

He's now been placed in a psychiatric hospital. Obviously the first step is to get off of what substances he's been taking first, so he can then get help to address the underlying mental health issues to help repair his relationship with his family.

Thanks goodness, this is what he needs!

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Re: Re:

I just don't understand how he went from happy and well to this. Honestly he needs help and what ever happens from this altercation.

His wife left him and took the kids. He hasn't seen his children since Easter and has barely heard from them since.

Not saying she was wrong to leave him, but that was all Ullrich talked about in the media reports after the recent Mallorca arrest.

He claims he started taking amphetamines after.

Or we can move the timeline even further and make a guess that his wife left him because he was already becoming unhinged.

I checked, and it was actually his neighbor who made the comments about the amphetamines, if this article is to be believed:

https://www.cyclingweekly.com/news/latest-news/jan-ullrich-arrested-prostitute-assault-390216

"The actor told Bild that his relationship with Ullrich had gone downhill following the Tour and Vuelta a España winner’s separation from his wife, Sara.

“[He] had almost become a family member but when his wife left him he started taking amphetamines: he would only sleep for two hours”, Shweiger said, “he’d start drinking beer at 6am and went on like that until the evening.”"

so it doesn't seem like his neighbor noticed anything before. I have obviously no idea what happened between closed doors. I thought my "not saying she was wrong to leave him" covered that.

 

[Lequack]

At least he's popular again.

 

[RedheadDane]

Incarcerated at Psychiatric Clinic


Probably not the worst decision that has been made during this whole mess. Coz the worst decision was the whole assault thing.

 

[chiocciolis_calves]

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Hello, the guy just tried to strangle a hooker and god knows he has driven more kilometres high as a kite than he ever did sober in his entire life. I'll have my laugh at his expense, no worries.

What a disgraceful attitude.

On topic: glad he is now getting the help he needs

It's really repugnant when folks like you voice your concern for the perpetrator rather than the victim. Not even a mention of her health and wellbeing. You probably wouldn't do this if the perp was a non-athlete/non-celebrity, which is all the more disgusting.

What does the data show as to the effectiveness of psychiatric treatment for criminals behind bars?

 

[roundabout]

Re: Re:

I just don't understand how he went from happy and well to this. Honestly he needs help and what ever happens from this altercation.

His wife left him and took the kids. He hasn't seen his children since Easter and has barely heard from them since.

Not saying she was wrong to leave him, but that was all Ullrich talked about in the media reports after the recent Mallorca arrest.

He claims he started taking amphetamines after.

Or we can move the timeline even further and make a guess that his wife left him because he was already becoming unhinged.

I suppose you could, if you consider yourself entitled to make judgements about a person based on what you admit is no more than a guess.

Where was I making a judgement? I don't see where I was making any conclusions or anything like that so you would have to clue me in.

 

[samhocking]

Re: Re:

He's now been placed in a psychiatric hospital. Obviously the first step is to get off of what substances he's been taking first, so he can then get help to address the underlying mental health issues to help repair his relationship with his family. Good on Armstrong for offering to fly over and help him with a doctor too, that's a pretty noble thing to offer as no doubt Armstrong will recognise his own failings in Ullrich too.

I read here ad on twitter LA offered help
did he talk about that in his podcast? did he say it in an interview? cant find anything

Not sure, I read it on AFP's website
https://www.afp.com/en/news/207/tour-de-france-winner-ullrich-held-over-escort-assault-doc-18992i6

Amid his latest woes, his former rival turned friend Armstrong offered his support earlier this week, according to Bild.

Ullrich's lawyer Wolfgang Hoppe told the newspaper that Armstrong said he was "ready to immediately get into a plane with his doctor and come to Europe" to help the German.

Armstrong "said that the cycling community must hold together. But that what's most important is that Jan first allows himself to be helped," said Hoppe, recounting a telephone conversation with the disgraced US cyclist.

 

[chiocciolis_calves]

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I just don't understand how he went from happy and well to this. Honestly he needs help and what ever happens from this altercation.

His wife left him and took the kids. He hasn't seen his children since Easter and has barely heard from them since.

Not saying she was wrong to leave him, but that was all Ullrich talked about in the media reports after the recent Mallorca arrest.

He claims he started taking amphetamines after.

Or we can move the timeline even further and make a guess that his wife left him because he was already becoming unhinged.

I suppose you could, if you consider yourself entitled to make judgements about a person based on what you admit is no more than a guess.

Where was I making a judgement? I don't see where I was making any conclusions or anything like that so you would have to clue me in.

When you wrote this: "I wish I lived in your world where everybody can be easily categorised and placed into the right little box. It must be so much easier than the real one." You don't see a judgment of this person contained in those two sentences? As with most people who lob this sort of accusation against others, you reveal yourself to draw snap judgments about others quite easily.

Ullrich has a long history of misbehavior away from cycling. No one in this thread is drawing a snap judgment about him. He's had many chances to clean up his life and has chosen not to do that despite all the means and privileges he possesses. It's revolting to see people line up with concern for him with nary a mention of the woman he apparently strangled and beat.

 

[Martin]

How about we move all this thread to clinic where this guy belongs /because there is no jail forum/.
I hate to admit I was a big fan of him.

 

[Lequack]

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How about we move all this thread to clinic where this guy belongs /because there is no jail forum/.
I hate to admit I was a big fan of him.

Well he was the only real alternative to Armstrong at the time.

 

[Carols]

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How about we move all this thread to clinic where this guy belongs /because there is no jail forum/.
I hate to admit I was a big fan of him.

Well he was the only real alternative to Armstrong at the time.

This. I chose the alternative from 2003 on, flawed as he was, over the other jerk.

 

[joe_papp]

Ironically enough, in 2011 when I was passing through a very difficult time, Jan reached out to me with a simple message that boosted my morale:

"...I can imagine that it is not easy for you, but dont give up and try to find a new challenge for yourself. Just sitting around and looking back to the "good old days" is not enough – you need to look forward without forgetting the memories you have of your cycling career..."

Talk sh^t on Ullrich if you want, but I know he has a tremendous capacity for empathy and kindness. Substance abuse doesn't discriminate w/r/t the negative impact it can have on folks.

 

[Carols]

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Ironically enough, in 2011 when I was passing through a very difficult time, Jan reached out to me with a simple message that boosted my morale:

"...I can imagine that it is not easy for you, but dont give up and try to find a new challenge for yourself. Just sitting around and looking back to the "good old days" is not enough – you need to look forward without forgetting the memories you have of your cycling career..."

Talk sh^t on Ullrich if you want, but I know he has a tremendous capacity for empathy and kindness. Substance abuse doesn't discriminate w/r/t the negative impact it can have on folks.

I always figured he was a Nice guy . And your right about substance abuse, some people are more genetically susceptible.

 

[chiocciolis_calves]

Re:

Ironically enough, in 2011 when I was passing through a very difficult time, Jan reached out to me with a simple message that boosted my morale:

"...I can imagine that it is not easy for you, but dont give up and try to find a new challenge for yourself. Just sitting around and looking back to the "good old days" is not enough – you need to look forward without forgetting the memories you have of your cycling career..."

Talk sh^t on Ullrich if you want, but I know he has a tremendous capacity for empathy and kindness. Substance abuse doesn't discriminate w/r/t the negative impact it can have on folks.

He just strangled and beat a woman, Joe. How about focusing on the victim rather than how he affected you?

 

[El Pistolero]

Re:

Ironically enough, in 2011 when I was passing through a very difficult time, Jan reached out to me with a simple message that boosted my morale:

"...I can imagine that it is not easy for you, but dont give up and try to find a new challenge for yourself. Just sitting around and looking back to the "good old days" is not enough – you need to look forward without forgetting the memories you have of your cycling career..."

Talk sh^t on Ullrich if you want, but I know he has a tremendous capacity for empathy and kindness. Substance abuse doesn't discriminate w/r/t the negative impact it can have on folks.

It's his own fault for taking these substances though.

I have an anxiety disorder (due to a medical trauma 8 years ago), depression and unexplained chronic chest pain, but besides the occasional tramadol I don't abuse any substances.

(I am also on anti-depressants to keep my anxiety under control, but that is subscribed by a doctor)

 

[benzwire]

Re: Re:

Ironically enough, in 2011 when I was passing through a very difficult time, Jan reached out to me with a simple message that boosted my morale:

"...I can imagine that it is not easy for you, but dont give up and try to find a new challenge for yourself. Just sitting around and looking back to the "good old days" is not enough – you need to look forward without forgetting the memories you have of your cycling career..."

Talk sh^t on Ullrich if you want, but I know he has a tremendous capacity for empathy and kindness. Substance abuse doesn't discriminate w/r/t the negative impact it can have on folks.

He just strangled and beat a woman, Joe. How about focusing on the victim rather than how he affected you?

Look, we all feel bad for the prostitute and we hope she recovers. But this is not HookerNews.com. This thread is about Ullrich. I hope they both get better and get back to health and riding (bikes and men that pay, respectively).

 

[MatParker117]

I can't imagine that Jan has all of his faculties so to speak. He clearly has a serious problem with addiction and years of steroid, recreational drug and alcohol abuse is in no way good for him. Hopefully he can get the help he needs and the woman who was assaulted can move forward.

 

[Tonton]

Re:

Ironically enough, in 2011 when I was passing through a very difficult time, Jan reached out to me with a simple message that boosted my morale:

"...I can imagine that it is not easy for you, but dont give up and try to find a new challenge for yourself. Just sitting around and looking back to the "good old days" is not enough – you need to look forward without forgetting the memories you have of your cycling career..."

Talk sh^t on Ullrich if you want, but I know he has a tremendous capacity for empathy and kindness. Substance abuse doesn't discriminate w/r/t the negative impact it can have on folks.

I don't think that, aside from some wanna-be-funny sarcasm, anyone wants to talk s*it. Great to see how he reached out to you. But IMO that was then, and now is now.

Since '11 Lance admitted, pressure must have become overbearing. Germany was about to ban cycling altogether it seemed. He could have come out, argued that he did it to be leveled with the competition...spill the beans...I never made it to the pros, but I know, and you know that everybody knows pretty much who does what. Jan could have exposed the farce and come out as an unwilling participant. And for many he would be a hero, if he gave names, facts, but omerta ruled.

Germany is much harder on the cheats than Spain who ignores them, or France who slaps their wrist and welcomes them back, i.e. Jaja and Virenque. Becker got whacked for indiscretions, isn't quite back. Jan found himself a pariah, and his kids must have heard some nasty kid talk. It adds up and he reached the breaking point.

To me (not a doctor), his best therapy is to come clean. Hold himself accountable, recognize that he's responsible for his family's disintegration. Not the other way around...and spill the beans, who knew what, expose the joke and its actors. And detox.

I wish him the best.