compete_clean said:
The issue we have with ignoring these trolls is that if we do that their comments go unchallenged, so a uninformed newcomer might actually believe their nonsense.
I guess its a matter of personal choice.
Ferminal said:
Yes they were.
But I think this photo was after the Time Trial where Ekimov was Gold, Ullrich Silver and Armstrong got the Bronze.
I liked that this thread made me look up some Ullrich photos - there's lots of amazing moments to remember...
Ferminal said:
Thanks for the link.
I'll be honest, I'm more of a lurker. It's been years since I raced (seriously) and it's pretty clear that I was somewhat naive about doping during the time I did race. I had heard all kinds of things when I did race and saw some some messed up stuff but the entire doping story has become much bigger since I quit racing.
This forum is a pretty good source of information and links to stories for me since I have little involvement in cycling these days. The whole internet forum thing is kind of weird when you see things written about people you know or raced with. I've lost contact with just about all of them but it be interesting to know what they think of what is written here.
I don't have any interest in debating people so I'm happy to block sources of noise with (no useful) point to make.
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Benotti69 said:
I don't think so. You just have to understand it.
In your case, it is so easy to atomize you that I was bored soon and just leave it there - and I still am bored.
Right now again.
If people are here for some time they clearly realize that you are by far the biggest (edited by cobblestoned) around here.
Grow up, get real and get some score without any obsession.
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Benotti69 said:Ullrich has seen Cobbeldy standing at the side of the road in his mankini
In 1997, shortly after worldwar-II, people wearing a mankini would have been arrested.
I think you were still liquid in 1997 because you should know that.
Just make sure you dont look at the science . "Luck" had nothing to do with it unless of course you believe in miracles.dbrower said:
Darryl Webster said:Just make sure you dont look at the science . "Luck" had nothing to do with it unless of course you believe in miracles.
Are you saying Jan didn't have some bad luck in his run against Armstrong? I'm saying there was some of that, in addition to everything else.
-dB
compete_clean said:
Sorry you are stuck in the 1960s pedaling style. Do you still ride toe clips, I sure do!
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Big Gear pusher .
Yes Jan pushes a big gear and the photos reflect this . For those of you who say he should of used a faster cadance and thus gain the better accelleration over the steady diesel pace may have a point in the mountains . However. It is not just as easy as that . The style of riding one uses has as much to do with the inner mechanics and the outer mechanics of the body , as it does with being told to just using a smaller gear .
The outer mechanics are simply related to the different proportions of leg length . For example , the length of the thigh vs. the length of the lower leg ( calf and foot ) Some riders have a longer thigh length vs the lower leg length . Other riders the opposite . So the lower leg is actually longer than the thigh , so the lower leg acts much like a push rod in an older style v6 or v8 engine .
These 2 distinct differences can be mathematically calculated and adjusted to the perfect crank length . ( within reason )
The next thing that must be noted is the inner workings of the body , the heart and lungs and capacity . The breathing ability prefered and frequency prefered by the rider . This is also a big outcome of what a rider chooses to use as an optimum cadence .
This will all change with the scope of performance during the years of racing . AS one gets fitter or ones body is asked to do much more in one discipline , then the body will reroute muscle protein on its own .
For example . If the arms are not called on to do more than is necessary , and the legs are called on to do the impossible , as long as the condition exists and continues the arms will get skinner and the legs will develope to their maximal capacity . No Drugs needed .
A total non cycling comparative is as follows : You are a welder/fitter , your job is to set sheet plate and I beams weighing many tonnes , you bang these plates into place using a 10 plus lbs hammer ( with one hand ) or 30 lbs with 2 hands etc . Then tack weld the items together ,, you do this for 8 hours a day , you also change from tack to stitch welding where you upper body is still and you do a similar 24 inch uninterrupted weld . ( similar to a biathalon standing to shoot . )
Now after 1 year , your upper body changes , after 2 years your shoulders and arms become as hard as rock , your legs are a bit skinnier due to the constant kneeling and being in crouch positions .
Add to this holding a giant 8 plus inch grinder and flamecutting and grinding a perfect miter on 12 by 12 inch I beams and you are ready to beat the crap out of anybody that comes your way . That is how your body changes thru nothing but repetition .
There are no drugs needed , the transformation is right before you eyes .
In sprinters ( back to cycling ) you see both well developed leg and powerfull arms as they are used to do the burst to creat that power in the sprint .
Look at short track speed skating , all legs and short short short bodies are best , hence korea , japan china is at the forefront of these sports now . Shear body mechanics and size . The opposite for long track .
IN short , to recap . It is more than just riding a smaller gear that dictates your cadence . It is your entire body make up . If it were not so , we would all be the same and have the same results with the same training etc . As athletes we are all different , sprinters , tempo riders , diesels , climbers , short twitch and fast twitch muscles vs longer slow twitch muscle make up . Tall athletes and short athletes .
This may shed a bit of light on why cyclists look funny in some ways .
Mostly all legs with no upper body , and also ride the style they ride .
_______________________________________________________________compete_clean said:
Yes Jan pushes a big gear and the photos reflect this . For those of you who say he should of used a faster cadance and thus gain the better accelleration over the steady diesel pace may have a point in the mountains . However. It is not just as easy as that . The style of riding one uses has as much to do with the inner mechanics and the outer mechanics of the body , as it does with being told to just using a smaller gear .
The outer mechanics are simply related to the different proportions of leg length . For example , the length of the thigh vs. the length of the lower leg ( calf and foot ) Some riders have a longer thigh length vs the lower leg length . Other riders the opposite . So the lower leg is actually longer than the thigh , so the lower leg acts much like a push rod in an older style v6 or v8 engine .
These 2 distinct differences can be mathematically calculated and adjusted to the perfect crank length . ( within reason )
The next thing that must be noted is the inner workings of the body , the heart and lungs and capacity . The breathing ability prefered and frequency prefered by the rider . This is also a big outcome of what a rider chooses to use as an optimum cadence .
This will all change with the scope of performance during the years of racing . AS one gets fitter or ones body is asked to do much more in one discipline , then the body will reroute muscle protein on its own .
For example . If the arms are not called on to do more than is necessary , and the legs are called on to do the impossible , as long as the condition exists and continues the arms will get skinner and the legs will develope to their maximal capacity . No Drugs needed .
A total non cycling comparative is as follows : You are a welder/fitter , your job is to set sheet plate and I beams weighing many tonnes , you bang these plates into place using a 10 plus lbs hammer ( with one hand ) or 30 lbs with 2 hands etc . Then tack weld the items together ,, you do this for 8 hours a day , you also change from tack to stitch welding where you upper body is still and you do a similar 24 inch uninterrupted weld . ( similar to a biathalon standing to shoot . )
Now after 1 year , your upper body changes , after 2 years your shoulders and arms become as hard as rock , your legs are a bit skinnier due to the constant kneeling and being in crouch positions .
Add to this holding a giant 8 plus inch grinder and flamecutting and grinding a perfect miter on 12 by 12 inch I beams and you are ready to beat the crap out of anybody that comes your way . That is how your body changes thru nothing but repetition .
There are no drugs needed , the transformation is right before you eyes .
In sprinters ( back to cycling ) you see both well developed leg and powerfull arms as they are used to do the burst to creat that power in the sprint .
Look at short track speed skating , all legs and short short short bodies are best , hence korea , japan china is at the forefront of these sports now . Shear body mechanics and size . The opposite for long track .
IN short , to recap . It is more than just riding a smaller gear that dictates your cadence . It is your entire body make up . If it were not so , we would all be the same and have the same results with the same training etc . As athletes we are all different , sprinters , tempo riders , diesels , climbers , short twitch and fast twitch muscles vs longer slow twitch muscle make up . Tall athletes and short athletes .
This may shed a bit of light on why cyclists look funny in some ways .
Mostly all legs with no upper body , and also ride the style they ride .
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I am curious, I remember reading some article about Jan and it was some guy who claimed that Ullrich, after 2001(?) never raced with a hematocrit over 41 or 42. Does anyone know if a) There lies any truth whatsoever in this statement and b) can anyone remember the article and perhaps give me the link?
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