Jasper Philipsen thread

[jmdirt]

One day this guy is gonna cause a crash the way he's sprinting if nobody sanctions him.

Name one top sprinter in this century who hasn't done the same exact thing (many times).

 

[Red Rick]

Name one top sprinter in this century who hasn't done the same exact thing (many times).

Sweet old everyone does it defense

 

[pelotonIQ]

Name one top sprinter in this century who hasn't done the same exact thing (many times).

It happens sometimes now and again and but not 3 consecutive sprint stages in the same fashion as Philipsen and Alpecin. Riders have gotten sanctioned for less.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Also hilarious that Girmay's team didn't protest cause "he wouldn't have won anyway"

The state of sprints man.

Astana and Intermarche did protest, didn't they?

 

[Peter von]

Astana and Intermarche did protest, didn't they?

Yes they did.

 

[EddyMazzoleni]

It happens sometimes now and again and but not 3 consecutive sprint stages in the same fashion as Philipsen and Alpecin. Riders have gotten sanctioned for less.

Tbf i've never seeb a leadout man be DQed because he opened up a space with shoulders. That said, yesterday move was really on the limit of legality

 

[jmdirt]

Sweet old everyone does it defense

No, not 'everyone does it', but that's how the game is played. Maybe two sides of the same coin, but this is how sprinting is and has been. IMO, JP's sprints have not been even close to dangerous/relegation worthy.

 

[jmdirt]

It happens sometimes now and again and but not 3 consecutive sprint stages in the same fashion as Philipsen and Alpecin. Riders have gotten sanctioned for less.

Now and again, as in nearly every sprint. You are probably correct that riders have been sanctioned for less, but that is the wrong call IMO.

JP is the fast guy right now so everyone wants his wheel instead of making their own sprint. When you do that, you are at the mercy of the faster guy in front of you.

When BG and JP both went for Cav's wheel yesterday, if BG would have been 50 cm closer to Cav then you might have a discussion. Plus, why is everyone challenging so close to the (right) temporary fence? It only gives you one way around, and you run the risk of being hit by a spectator.

 

[Red Rick]

No, not 'everyone does it', but that's how the game is played. Maybe two sides of the same coin, but this is how sprinting is and has been. IMO, JP's sprints have not been even close to dangerous/relegation worthy.

Swerved the entire width of the road forcing another rider to break or crash.

"Not close to dangerous"

I guess Jakobsen should have just braked that one time.

 

[IndianCyclist]

The biggest problem is risky racing is mostly penalized if there is a crash or it is not the winner. There needs to be a system of yellow cards that can penalize repetitive questionable behavior from the sprinters and the entire team that can possibly lead to crash. Jasper is definitely violating the rule but since the others backed off, there are no crashes.

 

[Red Rick]

The biggest problem is risky racing is mostly penalized if there is a crash or it is not the winner. There needs to be a system of yellow cards that can penalize repetitive questionable behavior from the sprinters and the entire team that can possibly lead to crash. Jasper is infidelity violating the rule but since the others backed off, there are no crashes.

Yellows would just used normally and then they'd go straight back to never relegating for red cards.

It's either dangerous or it's not.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Now and again, as in nearly every sprint. You are probably correct that riders have been sanctioned for less, but that is the wrong call IMO.

JP is the fast guy right now so everyone wants his wheel instead of making their own sprint. When you do that, you are at the mercy of the faster guy in front of you.

When BG and JP both went for Cav's wheel yesterday, if BG would have been 50 cm closer to Cav then you might have a discussion. Plus, why is everyone challenging so close to the (right) temporary fence? It only gives you one way around, and you run the risk of being hit by a spectator.

Now and again but not from the same rider and team on 3 consecutive stages. Philipsen is getting too comfortable repeatedly deviating from his line and pushing people into barriers as if his dad is owning TdF.

If you think it's a ''wrong call'' to sanction reckless sprinting, there are others sports you can watch if you get a joy out of seeing people hurt.

 

[jmdirt]

Swerved the entire width of the road forcing another rider to break or crash.

"Not close to dangerous"

I guess Jakobsen should have just braked that one time.

Hyperbole: all of the front guys were on the other side of the road and swung over to go after Cav (who started on the yellow line).
Then:
-Cav and BG are on the yellow line, with JP just left of it
-BG lost Cav's wheel before JP came over top
--is JP just supposed to let the gap open?
-Did BG really need to take that evasive action? Maybe one soft pedal, but the lean?

Not dangerous (I'll take out 'close' because most of sprinting is close to dangerous).

grapes to watermelons comparison with FJ's crash.

 

[jmdirt]

Now and again but not from the same rider and team on 3 consecutive stages. Philipsen is getting too comfortable repeatedly deviating from his line and pushing people into barriers as if his dad is owning TdF.

If you think it's a ''wrong call'' to sanction reckless sprinting, there are others sports you can watch if you get a joy out of seeing people hurt.

Actually, it was the right call. You are the one saying that it was the wrong call.

I NEVER like seeing people getting hurt in cycling, but unfortunately that is part of the game.

Telling me to go away from a sport that I have been watching and participating in for 30+ years is silly at best.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Actually, it was the right call. You are the one saying that it was the wrong call.

I NEVER like seeing people getting hurt in cycling, but unfortunately that is part of the game.

Telling me to go away from a sport that I have been watching and participating in for 30+ years is silly at best.

Nobody told you to go away

 

[dazaau]

When BG and JP both went for Cav's wheel yesterday, if BG would have been 50 cm closer to Cav then you might have a discussion. Plus, why is everyone challenging so close to the (right) temporary fence? It only gives you one way around, and you run the risk of being hit by a spectator.

I rewatched it again, as I was under the impression he was going for the wheel as well. However:

1. He moved far across before cav was in view or had anywhere near passed him.

2. The wheel was taken.

So. I would say it was a significant deviation

 

[Squire]

So apparently he's saying that he won't chase down Mathieu van der Poel for the Belgian team at the worlds, if that situation arises. Should just stay at home then.

Philipsen vil ikke ”lægge noget i vejen” for van der Poel ved VM

Selvom de er fra hvert deres land, vil Jasper Philipsen ikke indhente sin holdkammerat, når det til august gælder VM.

www.feltet.dk

 

[Didinho]

So apparently he's saying that he won't chase down Mathieu van der Poel for the Belgian team at the worlds, if that situation arises. Should just stay at home then.

Philipsen vil ikke ”lægge noget i vejen” for van der Poel ved VM

Selvom de er fra hvert deres land, vil Jasper Philipsen ikke indhente sin holdkammerat, når det til august gælder VM.

www.feltet.dk

Because he’ll be the sprinter for Belgium so chasing is not his task. They have Remco and Wout for attacks, he’s gonna focus only on the sprint, even if it’s a 10% chance.

 

[Squire]

Because he’ll be the sprinter for Belgium so chasing is not his task. They have Remco and Wout for attacks, he’s gonna focus only on the sprint, even if it’s a 10% chance.

He's also specifically mentioning Van der Poel and how he will refuse to 'put himself in the way' of a rainbow jersey for MVDP.

 

[Didinho]

He's also specifically mentioning Van der Poel and how he will refuse to 'put himself in the way' of a rainbow jersey for MVDP.

That’s the thing with riding and being paid by your team. Better for alpecin to have Mathieu in WC jersey than some other Belgian.
But I guess normally you don’t say something like that out loud.

Edit: They were asking this question when Mathieu was sat beside him, so he just answerd like a teammate, didn't think it through. He had it on his mind after, specially with how they enlarged it in the media.

 

[jmdirt]

JPx4! Congrats Faster Jasper!

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

He's also specifically mentioning Van der Poel and how he will refuse to 'put himself in the way' of a rainbow jersey for MVDP.

Yeah, he did say that. But to be honest, i think Van der Poel closing a gap with Philipsen benefitting is a more likely scenario, than Van der Poel attacking and Philipsen being needed to close the gap. Unless Evenepoel and Van Aert crashed by that time.

 

[SafeBet]

No Van der Poel, no problem.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Today he was impressive. Finally he showed he is clearly the best sprinter in the Tour (at least to me).

 

[proffate]

I hope netflix didn't waste their time following around Jakobsen for this tour.