Jay Vine discussion thread

[red_flanders]

The thing is, Vine isn't even a "pure" e-cyclist. He even started doing XCO races back in Australia in 2015/2016/etc. and only switched from MTB to the road in 2018 or around.

That's interesting, had no idea. Amazing he could handle a bike well enough to ride even XCO. At least he's less likely to crash out others in MTB.

 

[ashhutch1997]

The thing is, Vine isn't even a "pure" e-cyclist. He even started doing XCO races back in Australia in 2015/2016/etc. and only switched from MTB to the road in 2018 or around.

That's mad, would never have thought it, then again the Chicken was one of the best MTB riders in the world, but was a terrible bike handler.
With Jay Vine, it gets to a point where it isn't 'just bad luck', and there is a bike handling issue. Magnus Sheffield, Geraint Thomas and Primoz Roglic can also be put in this bracket.

 

[Nick2413]

Wonder if some riders just have awful attention issues but aren’t necessarily bad at handling when they’re focused. Or maybe a mix of both in the worst cases.

 

[Axel Hangleck]

That's mad, would never have thought it, then again the Chicken was one of the best MTB riders in the world, but was a terrible bike handler.

Top level MTB was a completely different discipline back then; longer climbs, relatively easy descents, and very little technicality. Fitness was the main criteria - and the longer 2-3 hour races.

 

[StryderHells]

The thing is, Vine isn't even a "pure" e-cyclist. He even started doing XCO races back in Australia in 2015/2016/etc. and only switched from MTB to the road in 2018 or around.

He started riding national level road races in Australia in 2017, the thing to remember is that riding in a peloton in Australian national series races is very different to a European peloton, it’s much smaller and less intense. Unfortunately thanks to the pandemic he never got the chance in 2020 to do some racing in Europe as the team he was riding for (Nero) obtained a conti license essentially so he could gain experience overseas as he obviously showed he had the numbers to compete. He found his way through Zwift and has had a steep learning curve trying to adapt to pro racing, he has improved but still hits the deck far to often.

 

[Berniece]

Wonder if some riders just have awful attention issues but aren’t necessarily bad at handling when they’re focused. Or maybe a mix of both in the worst cases.

I always have a feeling Roglic also falls in that category. Not bad at bike handling just not paying attention

 

[theyoungest]

I always have a feeling Roglic also falls in that category. Not bad at bike handling just not paying attention

With Kelderman it's definitely a concentration issue. He just zones out at times during races.

I think with Roglic it's definitely due to his late start at racing in a peloton. He just doesn't really understand how the peloton "works", when you have to move up, when it's better to wait. He isn't a bad bike handler, as you say. For Vine it's probably similar... although he also crashes on his own. Bad at all around risk assessment on a bike.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

With Kelderman it's definitely a concentration issue. He just zones out at times during races.

I think with Roglic it's definitely due to his late start at racing in a peloton. He just doesn't really understand how the peloton "works", when you have to move up, when it's better to wait. He isn't a bad bike handler, as you say. For Vine it's probably similar... although he also crashes on his own. Bad at all around risk assessment on a bike.

Well, Roglič also crashed into a guardrail on the Civiglio descent in the 2019 Giro, crashed on a descent to lose 2021 Paris Nice and crashed on the descent into Le Lioran in the Tour this year. Sometimes he just has bike handling gaffes.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

crashed on the descent into Le Lioran in the Tour this year. Sometimes he just has bike handling gaffes.

I think that was a tactical crash, calculated, not a mistake. With the 3km rule applied and no riders around him, Roglic could take a 'free crash' to get one out of the way

 

[Mayomaniac]

Top level MTB was a completely different discipline back then; longer climbs, relatively easy descents, and very little technicality. Fitness was the main criteria - and the longer 2-3 hour races.

Yes, it was the age of MTB marathons, real climbers races and not the glorified Summer CX that it is today.

 

[search]

Vine is on the start list for tomorrow's mixed relay. No idea if this is final, or still subject to change, though.

 

[pastronef]

world champion with the mixed-relay TTT

 

[yaco]

He is going really well in the Basque Country. He has too many holes in his skill set to be a GC rider in GT's, however, as a last rider in mountain stages he is deadly.