Jay Vine discussion thread

[red_flanders]

The thing is, Vine isn't even a "pure" e-cyclist. He even started doing XCO races back in Australia in 2015/2016/etc. and only switched from MTB to the road in 2018 or around.

That's interesting, had no idea. Amazing he could handle a bike well enough to ride even XCO. At least he's less likely to crash out others in MTB.

 

[ashhutch1997]

The thing is, Vine isn't even a "pure" e-cyclist. He even started doing XCO races back in Australia in 2015/2016/etc. and only switched from MTB to the road in 2018 or around.

That's mad, would never have thought it, then again the Chicken was one of the best MTB riders in the world, but was a terrible bike handler.
With Jay Vine, it gets to a point where it isn't 'just bad luck', and there is a bike handling issue. Magnus Sheffield, Geraint Thomas and Primoz Roglic can also be put in this bracket.

 

[Nick2413]

Wonder if some riders just have awful attention issues but aren’t necessarily bad at handling when they’re focused. Or maybe a mix of both in the worst cases.

 

[Axel Hangleck]

That's mad, would never have thought it, then again the Chicken was one of the best MTB riders in the world, but was a terrible bike handler.

Top level MTB was a completely different discipline back then; longer climbs, relatively easy descents, and very little technicality. Fitness was the main criteria - and the longer 2-3 hour races.

 

[StryderHells]

The thing is, Vine isn't even a "pure" e-cyclist. He even started doing XCO races back in Australia in 2015/2016/etc. and only switched from MTB to the road in 2018 or around.

He started riding national level road races in Australia in 2017, the thing to remember is that riding in a peloton in Australian national series races is very different to a European peloton, it’s much smaller and less intense. Unfortunately thanks to the pandemic he never got the chance in 2020 to do some racing in Europe as the team he was riding for (Nero) obtained a conti license essentially so he could gain experience overseas as he obviously showed he had the numbers to compete. He found his way through Zwift and has had a steep learning curve trying to adapt to pro racing, he has improved but still hits the deck far to often.

 

[Berniece]

Wonder if some riders just have awful attention issues but aren’t necessarily bad at handling when they’re focused. Or maybe a mix of both in the worst cases.

I always have a feeling Roglic also falls in that category. Not bad at bike handling just not paying attention

 

[theyoungest]

I always have a feeling Roglic also falls in that category. Not bad at bike handling just not paying attention

With Kelderman it's definitely a concentration issue. He just zones out at times during races.

I think with Roglic it's definitely due to his late start at racing in a peloton. He just doesn't really understand how the peloton "works", when you have to move up, when it's better to wait. He isn't a bad bike handler, as you say. For Vine it's probably similar... although he also crashes on his own. Bad at all around risk assessment on a bike.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

With Kelderman it's definitely a concentration issue. He just zones out at times during races.

I think with Roglic it's definitely due to his late start at racing in a peloton. He just doesn't really understand how the peloton "works", when you have to move up, when it's better to wait. He isn't a bad bike handler, as you say. For Vine it's probably similar... although he also crashes on his own. Bad at all around risk assessment on a bike.

Well, Roglič also crashed into a guardrail on the Civiglio descent in the 2019 Giro, crashed on a descent to lose 2021 Paris Nice and crashed on the descent into Le Lioran in the Tour this year. Sometimes he just has bike handling gaffes.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

crashed on the descent into Le Lioran in the Tour this year. Sometimes he just has bike handling gaffes.

I think that was a tactical crash, calculated, not a mistake. With the 3km rule applied and no riders around him, Roglic could take a 'free crash' to get one out of the way

 

[Mayomaniac]

Top level MTB was a completely different discipline back then; longer climbs, relatively easy descents, and very little technicality. Fitness was the main criteria - and the longer 2-3 hour races.

Yes, it was the age of MTB marathons, real climbers races and not the glorified Summer CX that it is today.

 

[search]

Vine is on the start list for tomorrow's mixed relay. No idea if this is final, or still subject to change, though.

 

[pastronef]

world champion with the mixed-relay TTT

 

[yaco]

He is going really well in the Basque Country. He has too many holes in his skill set to be a GC rider in GT's, however, as a last rider in mountain stages he is deadly.

 

[Anderis]

Is he the most consistent rider in the peloton?

 

[42x16ss]

He started riding national level road races in Australia in 2017, the thing to remember is that riding in a peloton in Australian national series races is very different to a European peloton, it’s much smaller and less intense. Unfortunately thanks to the pandemic he never got the chance in 2020 to do some racing in Europe as the team he was riding for (Nero) obtained a conti license essentially so he could gain experience overseas as he obviously showed he had the numbers to compete. He found his way through Zwift and has had a steep learning curve trying to adapt to pro racing, he has improved but still hits the deck far to often.

When Vine won the Zwift Academy to get his break, he was actually scheduled to move to ARA Racing with Henk Vogels. With Vogels contacts in Europe I do think it would have been a matter of time before Vine came to somebody's attention.

 

[Lequack]

Great to see him back in good form. Looking good for the Giro

 

[yaco]

I wonder if Jayco will try to prise him out of his contract with UAE because as it stands he is unlikely to get a gig at the TDF, which riders want to tick off their bucket list.

 

[Netserk]

He should be able to do a GC schedule with some of the simpler races. Catalunya, Romandie, Dauphiné, Tour. And breakaways in the Tour as backup plan and then giving GC a go in the Vuelta.

 

[jmdirt]

WOOHOO! Congrats JV!

 

[Cookster15]

Crash today losing 4 minutes. Hope he isn't too badly hurt and can be a good assistance to Ayuso the rest of this Giro. The other target for Jay Vine is no more crashes !

 

[Landeirovic]

Crash today losing 4 minutes. Hope he isn't too badly hurt and can be a good assistance to Ayuso the rest of this Giro. The other target for Jay Vine is no more crashes !

He is oke! He will be good tommorow and we will see him also in some breakaway's

 

[Cycling111]

Jay Vine is going to Switzerland.

Why did he retired from the Giro? To be in shape for Switzerland?
It would be the last straw in UAE

I'd like to think no one is such a bad teammate to do something like that, but giveneverything that is said about him, it's too much of a coincidence that he's withdrawing from the Giro and targeting Switzerland.

 

[yaco]

Actually, UAE is overracing Vine, especially when you consider his role in the team. He's already raced 50 days, so do not understand why he is doing Suisse.. He would be better off leaving UAE to find another team where he would get a gig at the TDF which is a career objective.

Gotta say you are obsessed with bad teammates.

 

[Cycling111]

UAE has had serious team problems at the Giro. It's normal to focus on the movements of its riders.

That's not an obsession. Maybe you are with my messages . I'm simply analyzing a situation, that worsened in a Giro that just ended three days ago.

 

[yaco]

Riders often compete in a race straight after GT because they are in good shape. It seems to be in your world that no rider from UAE can do a ride after a GT. In Vine's case, i question why Vine is racing Suisse when he has so many race days.