Greenedge can pull out now and it's been a successful tour. Should be in yellow until saturday and also have a few more Gerrans/impey stages to go. Now get on the attack and stay visible through the mountains.
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karlboss said:Greenedge can pull out now and it's been a successful tour. Should be in yellow until saturday and also have a few more Gerrans/impey stages to go. Now get on the attack and stay visible through the mountains.
karlboss said:So aussie riders 25 and under
Garmin- Morton, Dennis, Haas, Von Hoff
OGE-, Meyer, Durbridge, Matthews, Howard, Sulzberger, Hepburn, Howson, Meyer
Who's done better? Who will do better?
PCutter said:Any team would like to have Dennis in their squad. He's thought of as possibly the best road talent out of the team pursuit teams of recent years (which is where most of the OGE young riders have emerged from). OGE tried, but I believe Dennis wanted to put some space between himself and the AIS setup for his own development.
Haas and Von Hoff, probably not as talented as other OGE young talent - C Meyer, Matthews, Howard, Clarke - but good riders none-the-less.
Morton??? I don't know. He's put in some impressive rides in the US since he was young - and whilst he's made a bit of noise about AIS track guys getting preferential treatment at the U23 worlds selections, the reality is he's probably wasn't good enough for one of the TT spots which he wanted (given he's been up against Durbridge, Dennis, Bobridge etc for spots), and not sure he's got much of a record in one day road races either to get a spot on the WCRR team at U23. But he can definatly climb. Given his age, and thus chance of further improvement, I think the jury's still out on whether he's a bigger talent than say C Meyer for GC ambitions (and Im only thinking week long race GC at this stage - jury is way, way out on whether either might be able to ride a GT with ambitions)
karlboss said:I still think Meyer can develop for ardennes maybe 1 week races, GTs look a little beyond him.
PCutter said:Any team would like to have Dennis in their squad. He's thought of as possibly the best road talent out of the team pursuit teams of recent years (which is where most of the OGE young riders have emerged from). OGE tried, but I believe Dennis wanted to put some space between himself and the AIS setup for his own development.
Haas and Von Hoff, probably not as talented as other OGE young talent - C Meyer, Matthews, Howard, Clarke - but good riders none-the-less.
Not sure about that, Chaves and Adam Yates are too closely matched. I think it will be either/or at next year's tour with Simon Yates, Howson, Krueziger and Plaza for support.swuzzlebubble said:Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?
swuzzlebubble said:Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?
They're getting one in Kreuziger. Add in Plaza, the improving Howson, Verona and Txurruka (if he stays) and that's a good amount of firepower.Pricey_sky said:swuzzlebubble said:Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?
Hopefully they are split up and not all kept for the Tour. Maybe Adam Yates deserves a go at the Giro after his excellent Tour. Similarly Chavez surely deserves a shot at the Tour after 2 podiums this season, whether he can deal with peak Froome and co remains to be seen. Simon will probably get a free role where he rides like he did in this Vuelta.
One thing Orica have shown at this Vuelta is they are stepping up to the mark as a GC team, despite not having superstar helpers in terms of climbing. They have helped Yates and Chavez a lot over the past 3 weeks with some great riding, yesterday and Aubisique for example.
swuzzlebubble said:Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?
42x16ss said:They're getting one in Kreuziger. Add in Plaza, the improving Howson, Verona and Txurruka (if he stays) and that's a good amount of firepower.Pricey_sky said:swuzzlebubble said:Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?
Hopefully they are split up and not all kept for the Tour. Maybe Adam Yates deserves a go at the Giro after his excellent Tour. Similarly Chavez surely deserves a shot at the Tour after 2 podiums this season, whether he can deal with peak Froome and co remains to be seen. Simon will probably get a free role where he rides like he did in this Vuelta.
One thing Orica have shown at this Vuelta is they are stepping up to the mark as a GC team, despite not having superstar helpers in terms of climbing. They have helped Yates and Chavez a lot over the past 3 weeks with some great riding, yesterday and Aubisique for example.
Kwibus said:swuzzlebubble said:Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?
Why are so many people so focused on the Tour....
They got 3 riders that could possibly win an GT in the near future and my guess none of them can win the TdF right now. So I understand that Orica wants atleast 1 of them at the TdF and my guess they will probably send 2 of them, the Yates twins.
If I were them I would focus more on trying to win the Giro or Vuelta with these guys. Atleast there is a chance of winning them.
Once you got 1 of them in the bag it's time to put more resources trying to win the TdF, but I don't think they will. Orica has upset more in the past though.
Kwibus said:swuzzlebubble said:Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?
Why are so many people so focused on the Tour....
They got 3 riders that could possibly win an GT in the near future and my guess none of them can win the TdF right now. So I understand that Orica wants atleast 1 of them at the TdF and my guess they will probably send 2 of them, the Yates twins.
If I were them I would focus more on trying to win the Giro or Vuelta with these guys. Atleast there is a chance of winning them.
Once you got 1 of them in the bag it's time to put more resources trying to win the TdF, but I don't think they will. Orica has upset more in the past though.
swuzzlebubble said:Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?