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Greenedge can pull out now and it's been a successful tour. Should be in yellow until saturday and also have a few more Gerrans/impey stages to go. Now get on the attack and stay visible through the mountains.
 
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Yep, another beauty, though I think I prefer the Call Me Maybe video better.

AC/DC is a better song (of course) but the original video had longer, funnier snippets of riders doing things, the new video jumps around a bit too much.

How could OGE not be everyone's second (or favourite) team.
 
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So aussie riders 25 and under
Garmin- Morton, Dennis, Haas, Von Hoff
OGE-, Meyer, Durbridge, Matthews, Howard, Sulzberger, Hepburn, Howson, Meyer

Who's done better? Who will do better?
 
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karlboss said:
So aussie riders 25 and under
Garmin- Morton, Dennis, Haas, Von Hoff
OGE-, Meyer, Durbridge, Matthews, Howard, Sulzberger, Hepburn, Howson, Meyer

Who's done better? Who will do better?

Any team would like to have Dennis in their squad. He's thought of as possibly the best road talent out of the team pursuit teams of recent years (which is where most of the OGE young riders have emerged from). OGE tried, but I believe Dennis wanted to put some space between himself and the AIS setup for his own development.

Haas and Von Hoff, probably not as talented as other OGE young talent - C Meyer, Matthews, Howard, Clarke - but good riders none-the-less.

Morton??? I don't know. He's put in some impressive rides in the US since he was young - and whilst he's made a bit of noise about AIS track guys getting preferential treatment at the U23 worlds selections, the reality is he's probably wasn't good enough for one of the TT spots which he wanted (given he's been up against Durbridge, Dennis, Bobridge etc for spots), and not sure he's got much of a record in one day road races either to get a spot on the WCRR team at U23. But he can definatly climb. Given his age, and thus chance of further improvement, I think the jury's still out on whether he's a bigger talent than say C Meyer for GC ambitions (and Im only thinking week long race GC at this stage - jury is way, way out on whether either might be able to ride a GT with ambitions)
 
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PCutter said:
Any team would like to have Dennis in their squad. He's thought of as possibly the best road talent out of the team pursuit teams of recent years (which is where most of the OGE young riders have emerged from). OGE tried, but I believe Dennis wanted to put some space between himself and the AIS setup for his own development.

Haas and Von Hoff, probably not as talented as other OGE young talent - C Meyer, Matthews, Howard, Clarke - but good riders none-the-less.

Morton??? I don't know. He's put in some impressive rides in the US since he was young - and whilst he's made a bit of noise about AIS track guys getting preferential treatment at the U23 worlds selections, the reality is he's probably wasn't good enough for one of the TT spots which he wanted (given he's been up against Durbridge, Dennis, Bobridge etc for spots), and not sure he's got much of a record in one day road races either to get a spot on the WCRR team at U23. But he can definatly climb. Given his age, and thus chance of further improvement, I think the jury's still out on whether he's a bigger talent than say C Meyer for GC ambitions (and Im only thinking week long race GC at this stage - jury is way, way out on whether either might be able to ride a GT with ambitions)

I still think Meyer can develop for ardennes maybe 1 week races, GTs look a little beyond him.
Honestly I see the two teams as having comparable talent, Meyer/Dennis, Von Hoff/Matthews, Morton/Clarke, Haas/Sulzberger but Garmin with the better strike rate. The rider without an equivalent being Durbridge. I'd say OGE have the talent, but Garmin are getting results. Probably being a little harsh.
 
If anyone should complain about the TT stuff it should be Phelan or Flakemore.
Durbridge will win at least one WC ITT title- not sure if Dennis/ Morton can win a GT in the future, but they should challenge.

Bobridge should be on the list too- he was great in 2011- and it's sad about his arthritis.
 
karlboss said:
I still think Meyer can develop for ardennes maybe 1 week races, GTs look a little beyond him.

PCutter said:
Any team would like to have Dennis in their squad. He's thought of as possibly the best road talent out of the team pursuit teams of recent years (which is where most of the OGE young riders have emerged from). OGE tried, but I believe Dennis wanted to put some space between himself and the AIS setup for his own development.

Haas and Von Hoff, probably not as talented as other OGE young talent - C Meyer, Matthews, Howard, Clarke - but good riders none-the-less.

I think Haas and Von Hoff can develop- Von Hoff was still working as a boilermaker in 2011/ has not been helped by having little team support and still has not rode a GT/ is a neopro. Haas stupidly had to work for Stetina at Langkawi and i think could pick up good hilly races- he also rode his first GT this year.

I would not consider Meyer an Ardennes rider- he would have to be a better climber- he could do what Kreuziger did at AGR, but i doubt he could ever stay with the best riders at LBL or FW- without turning into a GC contender.
I think this years Eneco could have suited him and he could win a race with an ITT in it.
 
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Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?
 
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swuzzlebubble said:
Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?
Not sure about that, Chaves and Adam Yates are too closely matched. I think it will be either/or at next year's tour with Simon Yates, Howson, Krueziger and Plaza for support.

Send all 3 to Liege and Lombardia along with Kreuziger, Txurruka, Plaza and Albasini though :cool:
 
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swuzzlebubble said:
Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?

Hopefully they are split up and not all kept for the Tour. Maybe Adam Yates deserves a go at the Giro after his excellent Tour. Similarly Chavez surely deserves a shot at the Tour after 2 podiums this season, whether he can deal with peak Froome and co remains to be seen. Simon will probably get a free role where he rides like he did in this Vuelta.

One thing Orica have shown at this Vuelta is they are stepping up to the mark as a GC team, despite not having superstar helpers in terms of climbing. They have helped Yates and Chavez a lot over the past 3 weeks with some great riding, yesterday and Aubisique for example.
 
Unlikely any of the OGE guys are able to take on Froome 1:1 but with multiple options there is at least the chance for some tactical ploys and/or allow for which one may have the better form/luck at the tour.
There was a portion of the Vuelta where many assumed Yates was going to surpass Chaves and that OGE were backing the wrong horse.
 
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Pricey_sky said:
swuzzlebubble said:
Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?

Hopefully they are split up and not all kept for the Tour. Maybe Adam Yates deserves a go at the Giro after his excellent Tour. Similarly Chavez surely deserves a shot at the Tour after 2 podiums this season, whether he can deal with peak Froome and co remains to be seen. Simon will probably get a free role where he rides like he did in this Vuelta.

One thing Orica have shown at this Vuelta is they are stepping up to the mark as a GC team, despite not having superstar helpers in terms of climbing. They have helped Yates and Chavez a lot over the past 3 weeks with some great riding, yesterday and Aubisique for example.
They're getting one in Kreuziger. Add in Plaza, the improving Howson, Verona and Txurruka (if he stays) and that's a good amount of firepower.
 
Re: [Green Edge] Shayne Bannan, Gerry Ryan and an Aussie Pro

swuzzlebubble said:
Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?

Why are so many people so focused on the Tour....
They got 3 riders that could possibly win an GT in the near future and my guess none of them can win the TdF right now. So I understand that Orica wants atleast 1 of them at the TdF and my guess they will probably send 2 of them, the Yates twins.

If I were them I would focus more on trying to win the Giro or Vuelta with these guys. Atleast there is a chance of winning them.

Once you got 1 of them in the bag it's time to put more resources trying to win the TdF, but I don't think they will. Orica has upset more in the past though.
 
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42x16ss said:
Pricey_sky said:
swuzzlebubble said:
Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?

Hopefully they are split up and not all kept for the Tour. Maybe Adam Yates deserves a go at the Giro after his excellent Tour. Similarly Chavez surely deserves a shot at the Tour after 2 podiums this season, whether he can deal with peak Froome and co remains to be seen. Simon will probably get a free role where he rides like he did in this Vuelta.

One thing Orica have shown at this Vuelta is they are stepping up to the mark as a GC team, despite not having superstar helpers in terms of climbing. They have helped Yates and Chavez a lot over the past 3 weeks with some great riding, yesterday and Aubisique for example.
They're getting one in Kreuziger. Add in Plaza, the improving Howson, Verona and Txurruka (if he stays) and that's a good amount of firepower.

You could add Haig who's had a good Neo season and will be able to offer more support next season whatever GT they send him too which I assume would a the Giro as it looks like the next step in his progression. Kreuziger really is the key here, if he can play that Dom role in the GT's the we've seen then he will be invaluable to either Chaves or the Yates lads that no current rider at OBE can do.
 
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Kwibus said:
swuzzlebubble said:
Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?

Why are so many people so focused on the Tour....
They got 3 riders that could possibly win an GT in the near future and my guess none of them can win the TdF right now. So I understand that Orica wants atleast 1 of them at the TdF and my guess they will probably send 2 of them, the Yates twins.

If I were them I would focus more on trying to win the Giro or Vuelta with these guys. Atleast there is a chance of winning them.

Once you got 1 of them in the bag it's time to put more resources trying to win the TdF, but I don't think they will. Orica has upset more in the past though.

Sending Chaves back to the Giro next season would really be a smart move, he's improving no doubt but going up against a full strength Froome/Sky at the Tour could do more harm than good, my opinion is that send him to the Giro which he could win with a solid team around him and send one or both of the Yates to the Tour as joint leaders.
 
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Kwibus said:
swuzzlebubble said:
Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?

Why are so many people so focused on the Tour....
They got 3 riders that could possibly win an GT in the near future and my guess none of them can win the TdF right now. So I understand that Orica wants atleast 1 of them at the TdF and my guess they will probably send 2 of them, the Yates twins.

If I were them I would focus more on trying to win the Giro or Vuelta with these guys. Atleast there is a chance of winning them.

Once you got 1 of them in the bag it's time to put more resources trying to win the TdF, but I don't think they will. Orica has upset more in the past though.

Amen to this !! Even Chaves, himself, has expressed a view that Giro/Vuelta at this point of his career better suit him but when it comes down to basics, the team hierarchy AND these 3 riders will make their calls once they have full info on the race routes for the next season.

Sending all three to the one GT is pure unadulterated lunacy. Yes, a two pronged approach looks to be workable at least at this point in their careers given the twins relationship and the seemingly positive relationship between Chaves & Simon but who knows how things will be 12-18 months ahead.

The suggestion of not sending a GC man to a GT over the next 2 years is also frankly ludicrous and would only become an option if one of them has a season ending injury in the first part of the year. As for Ewan, in all honesty he may get a run out for one GT per year but that's all.

Why ?? He's far too resource intensive with regards to support; he can't survive full distance and he hasn't the capacity to be a serviceable domestique. The quick classics men such as Cort, Keukeleire etc, on the other hand, may/may not deliver that stage win that Ewan might/might not bring in but are far less disruptive to the prime GC focus and indeed can be extremely valuable assets. If Ewan, and OBE for that matter, have any sense, they should part company in 2 years time.
 
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swuzzlebubble said:
Would like to see Chaves & 2 x Yates in the team together for all all-in effort at L'Tour
Maybe have a sprint & stage wins focused team for Giro or Vuelta to give Ewan proper support in a GT and not expect the GC guys to cover the three GT?

My understanding is that both Yates and Chavez will do 2 GT's in 2016 - Suppose all 3 could do the TDF. if Kreuziger rides for GC at the Vuelta or the Giro - Though, I understand Kreuziger has other targets - Anyway rider schedules are a moving feast.