Jens Voigt

[BullsFan22]

Not sure if there is such a thread here already, perhaps it can be named 'German cyclists,' or perhaps made into another category not named 'Jens Voigt,' but I found this very interesting:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mflgWxJAR0w

We need more questions like ones Katrin Müller-Hohenstein presents to Voigt. Voigt, understandably, will defend the riders, even Manzano (the Spanish rider implicated in the Fuentes files). However, it's interesting that Voigt, when they cut back to Voigt after listening bits from the Manzano interview, essentially said that "Manzano is an angry rider...." Very Omertà-like by Jens.

 

[MartinGT]

Jens is the god father of the Omerta.

 

[manafana]

Still a legend Omerta or not

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Yeah his Deutschland Tour victories were legendary ... dropping Cunego and Leipheimer on a 10% climb

 

[Benotti69]

Jens is only a legend to those who dont give a fig about sport. Jens was a doper and had no place in sport.

 

[blackcat]

i did not like Jens. Sits just behind David Millar in my pantheon of disliked cyclists.

i did however like Jens in 1998 burying his dope by the roadside at the Tour when he was riding for Legeay and GAN.

There are alot of squirrels climbing around that region with high hematocrits.

 

[neineinei]

That's what happens when you hide the EPO in Nutella jars.

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

I loved the way Jens used the lance trick of having his dope in his shorts for the hour record attempt
Watch the old DVD's of Lance on his mountain attacks - just before he would launch a massive attack he would drop to the back of the group and pull his shorts back away from his butt and then place them back very specifically. as if there was a patch or injection sewn into his shorts, 2 - 3 minutes later he was a machine destroying the world

Watch Jens in his hour record attempt and around minute 34 into his attempt he pulls his shorts away from him and then remarkably within a few minutes his lap times - which were creeping up - start to drop back to being on record pace.

I can't believe he thought no one would be watching !!!!!

 

[58teeth]

Almost doesn't matter now that Rohan Dennis broke it

 

[The Hitch]

Re:

Still a legend Omerta or not

While I have nothing against people legendizing dopers if they so want, I do want to ask if the only reason you see Jens as a legend is because he never got caught and are there any riders that were caught that you do consider legends.

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

The point was more the arrogance of Jens that he was copying something Lance did his whole TDF career and thought he was so whiter than white in everyones eyes that no one would notice or question it.

Even the Liggett got suspicious of the move when lance did it for the 5th year running and disappeared up the road.

 

[Boeing]

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Still a legend Omerta or not

This so called Legend is a joke. Name one meaningful break away that had any significant impact on GC on any race? They were simply opportunistic show boating all when the peleton was at tempo. Same thing Freds do on PCH every Saturday morning. Always talking about his suffering blah blah like no one else suffers.

Memo to Jens; If you have to tell us it hurts all the time it probably didn't!

 

[doperhopper]

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Jens is only a legend to those who dont give a fig about sport. Jens was a doper and had no place in sport.

come on, what sport? It's showbussiness, it was his job, mortgage, six kids...

 

[TMP402]

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I loved the way Jens used the lance trick of having his dope in his shorts for the hour record attempt
Watch the old DVD's of Lance on his mountain attacks - just before he would launch a massive attack he would drop to the back of the group and pull his shorts back away from his butt and then place them back very specifically. as if there was a patch or injection sewn into his shorts, 2 - 3 minutes later he was a machine destroying the world

Watch Jens in his hour record attempt and around minute 34 into his attempt he pulls his shorts away from him and then remarkably within a few minutes his lap times - which were creeping up - start to drop back to being on record pace.

I can't believe he thought no one would be watching !!!!!

I'm not disputing what you say, but I couldn't find the moment you're referring to. I might just have missed it but I watched several minutes trying to find it.

 

[GuyIncognito]

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Yeah his Deutschland Tour victories were legendary ... dropping Cunego and Leipheimer on a 10% climb

Good old Bernie Kohl said word going around the peloton at that time was that Jens was so desperate to win his home race that he was gambling his health by taking PFCs. You know, the kind of doping most don't do because it can kill you quickly. Gianetti was rushed to the hospital and nearly died from using it.

Anyway, Kohl apparently got a little drunk over dinner and yelled at the Team CSC table 'is it Team CSC or Team PFC?' and they sat there with faces like thunder.

Good times.

 

[The Hitch]

Re: Re:

Yeah his Deutschland Tour victories were legendary ... dropping Cunego and Leipheimer on a 10% climb

Good old Bernie Kohl said word going around the peloton at that time was that Jens was so desperate to win his home race that he was gambling his health by taking PFCs. You know, the kind of doping most don't do because it can kill you quickly. Gianetti was rushed to the hospital and nearly died from using it.

Anyway, Kohl apparently got a little drunk over dinner and yelled at the Team CSC table 'is it Team CSC or Team PFC?' and they sat there with faces like thunder.

Good times.

That's interesting, where did you hear that?

 

[blackcat]

and Johan Museeuw almost lost his leg at PAris Roubaix after the crash and the complications with perfluorocarbons

Gianetti and Museeuw gave perfluorocarbons a good name

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

I loved the way Jens used the lance trick of having his dope in his shorts for the hour record attempt
Watch the old DVD's of Lance on his mountain attacks - just before he would launch a massive attack he would drop to the back of the group and pull his shorts back away from his butt and then place them back very specifically. as if there was a patch or injection sewn into his shorts, 2 - 3 minutes later he was a machine destroying the world

Watch Jens in his hour record attempt and around minute 34 into his attempt he pulls his shorts away from him and then remarkably within a few minutes his lap times - which were creeping up - start to drop back to being on record pace.

I can't believe he thought no one would be watching !!!!!

I'm not disputing what you say, but I couldn't find the moment you're referring to. I might just have missed it but I watched several minutes trying to find it.

potbelge suppositories are under underrated. this is how they do the intestinal nutrition for hunger strikes at G-Bay. Wont find J-Law in these Hunger Games.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Still a legend Omerta or not

This so called Legend is a joke. Name one meaningful break away that had any significant impact on GC on any race? They were simply opportunistic show boating all when the peleton was at tempo. Same thing Freds do on PCH every Saturday morning. Always talking about his suffering blah blah like no one else suffers.

Memo to Jens; If you have to tell us it hurts all the time it probably didn't!

like Titi Voeckler! If you can play up the pain and act for the camera, it is not the Stanislevski method. But the housewives of france like it.

 

[robertmooreheadlane]

Re: Re:

I'm not disputing what you say, but I couldn't find the moment you're referring to. I might just have missed it but I watched several minutes trying to find it.[/quote]

Watch it from 32 minutes he adjusts his shorts and pulls his short away from his backside
Then watch Lance attack on any of his mountain top finishes and 30 minutes from the summit just before he attacks he does the same thing.

 

[nayr497]

Never heard of or thought about them having something sewn into their bibs or skinsuit. Wow.

What exactly would give them a boost via the backside in such a short span?

 

[blackcat]

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Never heard of or thought about them having something sewn into their bibs or skinsuit. Wow.

What exactly would give them a boost via the backside in such a short span?

suppository G-spot prostate Belge-pot

 

[GuyIncognito]

Re: Re:

Yeah his Deutschland Tour victories were legendary ... dropping Cunego and Leipheimer on a 10% climb

Good old Bernie Kohl said word going around the peloton at that time was that Jens was so desperate to win his home race that he was gambling his health by taking PFCs. You know, the kind of doping most don't do because it can kill you quickly. Gianetti was rushed to the hospital and nearly died from using it.

Anyway, Kohl apparently got a little drunk over dinner and yelled at the Team CSC table 'is it Team CSC or Team PFC?' and they sat there with faces like thunder.

Good times.

That's interesting, where did you hear that?

I believe it was here, but I don't speak danish and it's been years
http://www.feltet.dk/nyheder/bernhard_k ... ptCookie=1

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Re: Re:

Watch it from 32 minutes he adjusts his shorts and pulls his short away from his backside
Then watch Lance attack on any of his mountain top finishes and 30 minutes from the summit just before he attacks he does the same thing.

Or in the TT - I think from memory especially the one where he beat Ullrich by a minute in the opening 20km TT. Constant ass-pinching. Memory could be wrong, but seem to remember Liggett commenting on it too.

 

[blackcat]

Re: Re:

Watch it from 32 minutes he adjusts his shorts and pulls his short away from his backside
Then watch Lance attack on any of his mountain top finishes and 30 minutes from the summit just before he attacks he does the same thing.

Or in the TT - I think from memory especially the one where he beat Ullrich by a minute in the opening 20km TT. Constant ass-pinching. Memory could be wrong, but seem to remember Liggett commenting on it too.

this EuroDisney Millar, or about 2004 when DZ won it across the bridge?