Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

[Samu Cuenca]

What i called him? I don’t remember that conversation about "offensive".

I'm a big fan of him, but i don’t trust any rider on that matter.

For some reason the last two Tours were considered great Tours for the spectators. He played a significant part on that. He is a offensive rider, and the one who had the guts to attack Pogacar on Tourmalet, 60 km from the finish line.

I just always find it a little funny when people use that word due to it's different meanings.

 

[Cookster15]

(I knew what he meant)

I still think what Vingegaard's getting in his road thread is worse than what Pog's getting in his. At the moment it's obviously worse for Pog in the clinic, but that is only natural. Vingegaard has never humiliated everyone for 3 weeks straight in a GT. He could of course very well have done that in the last two Tours if Pogačar hadn't been around, but we may never actually get to see it.

I was more thinking of the “other” forum. But I think it’s clear Vingegaard isn’t as popular as Pogacar. He is viewed as a TdF specialist, a bit like Armstrong was. Yes he does other races but those are seen as prep for the TdF - last year Vuelta an obvious exception. Tbf it would be impossible for any current rider to rival Pogacar’s versatility across all terrains and both grand tours and one day races. This versatility and his public persona is likely why he is much more popular.

 

[Froome]

I was more thinking of the “other” forum. But I think it’s clear Vingegaard isn’t as popular as Pogacar. He is viewed as a TdF specialist, a bit like Armstrong was. Yes he does other races but those are seen as prep for the TdF - last year Vuelta an obvious exception. Tbf it would be impossible for any current rider to rival Pogacar’s versatility across all terrains and both grand tours and one day races. This versatility and his public persona is likely why he is much more popular.

Not just that, Pogacar is also more extroverted, shows more emotions, shows more about his private life, makes jokes and Tik Toks. People in general like that.

Vingegaard is more reserved and introverted, and i prefer a rider "low profile".

 

[awavey]

cracked ribs take ages to recover from, and are a constant reminder at night, disrupting your sleep & recovery. I know theyre probably still using tramadol, but I couldnt see him being more than 80% fit for the TdF, if they took him it would purely be for sponsor reasons. and they hope he gets through to the 2nd week unscathed, and see if others then crack around him, it can happen.

and the ITT thing, maybe it was the Darth Helmet Helmet unbalanced him, as it was like about 3 sizes bigger than his head, but the ITT in the Basque Country race this year, he looked like he'd never ridden an ITT bike before, none of it was smooth, none of it was about measured watts, keeping aero, smooth lines or transitions, and he still finished 4th looking like a complete amateur

 

[Ripper]

And yet the Danish media continue to ignore such matters and propagate far fetched fantasies to explain their hero. I still haven't forgiven them for claiming a 60kg skeleton rode the "best time trial in history"

And where are @GuntherL1 and @Ripper ? Pog glows in the dark but some posters only show up when their villain is doing well and look the other way with this guy.

I've been eating dinner?

Keep in mind that Skeletor races way less prolifically. And while his team is full metal dodgy, I definitely dislike UAE more based on the team staff and sports washing. Also, less racing, less to post about. I definitely posted about Jizma LAB last year and Skeletor's insane performances, including that weird warp speed TT.

I started an entire clinic thread on Pidcock 🤪

@Cookster15 , are you bullying me? 😉 That is of course, a joke!!!

 

[Ripper]

Not just that, Pogacar is also more extroverted, shows more emotions, shows more about his private life, makes jokes and Tik Toks. People in general like that.

Vingegaard is more reserved and introverted, and i prefer a rider "low profile".

Teddy also has charisma, and skeletor really realllllllly lacks in that department

 

[Cookster15]

I've been eating dinner?

Keep in mind that Skeletor races way less prolifically. And while his team is full metal dodgy, I definitely dislike UAE more based on the team staff and sports washing. Also, less racing, less to post about. I definitely posted about Jizma LAB last year and Skeletor's insane performances, including that weird warp speed TT.

I started an entire clinic thread on Pidcock 🤪

@Cookster15 , are you bullying me? 😉 That is of course, a joke!!!

No, just wanted to remind you guys.!

 

[Rackham]

Nah, I'd be stunned. Simply compare Vingegaard's injuries to what Pogacar had to contend with at LBL. A punctured lung and all the other complications is a little more serious than a broken wrist.

The latest "rumors & vibes" are Visma spin and PR. I would expect nothing less from them.

He looked really pale in Mallorca in some of the photos share online. It made me think they'd taken blood for a couple of Tour bags. I'm not kidding either.

In any case I'm going to assume if he does perform against all odds it's because whatever program these guys are on makes so many preconceived notions about recovery & training completely redundant.

I'm always ready for some science-fiction in pro cycling, so nothing would surprise me anymore. I'll just roll my eyes & turn the TV off.

 

[Ripper]

He looked really pale in Mallorca in some of the photos share online. It made me think they'd taken blood for a couple of Tour bags. I'm not kidding either.

In any case I'm going to assume if he does perform against all odds it's because whatever program these guys are on makes so many preconceived notions about recovery & training completely redundant.

I'm always ready for some science-fiction in pro cycling, so nothing would surprise me anymore. I'll just roll my eyes & turn the TV off.

You might be on to something with that science fiction analogy!

As for his extra pale nature, I'm not sure that signifies anything other than the fact that he's a pretty pasty dude who spent a lot of time inside fairly recently. That doesn't negate any blood bag hypothesis. We will find out pretty soon whether we are going to be treated to another fairy tale recovery, where we might start getting asked if we don't believe in dreams 😉

 

[ElDesordenado]

Some news: Vingegaard now training in France (altitude training). His coach says "it's starting to look like normal training". They're working on bringing him into performance shape, strengthening his shoulder, and getting him closer to his optimal weight.

According to this article, a decision about his TdF participation may not be made until few days before the race begins: https://www.dr.dk/sporten/cykling/v...ar-nye-hoejder-begynder-ligne-normal-traening

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He looked really pale in Mallorca in some of the photos share online. It made me think they'd taken blood for a couple of Tour bags. I'm not kidding either.

In any case I'm going to assume if he does perform against all odds it's because whatever program these guys are on makes so many preconceived notions about recovery & training completely redundant.

I'm always ready for some science-fiction in pro cycling, so nothing would surprise me anymore. I'll just roll my eyes & turn the TV off.

Skeletor smashing the Tour after some Area51-level experiments would be ridiculous but it will reach SF levels only if he stomps Rogla in the final few hundred meters of some stage! (according to @CyclistAbi )

 

[Rackham]

Some news: Vingegaard now training in France (altitude training). His coach says "it's starting to look like normal training". They're working on bringing him into performance shape, strengthening his shoulder, and getting him closer to his optimal weight.

According to this article, a decision about his TdF participation may not be made until few days before the race begins: https://www.dr.dk/sporten/cykling/v...ar-nye-hoejder-begynder-ligne-normal-traening

I'm thinking if everything was going really well, they'd make the decision much, much sooner & not leave it until a couple of days before the TdF. That seems crazy late. I can't see how that's any good for his teammates either in terms of their own preparation (Kruijswijk literally said in a recent interview they didn't know their Tour roles yet due to the Vingegaard uncertainty).

Skeletor smashing the Tour after some Area51-level experiments would be ridiculous but it will reach SF levels only if he stomps Rogla in the final few hundred meters of some stage! (according to @CyclistAbi )

I'm with CyclistAbi on that one.

If Vingegaard stomps Rogla in an MTF in the TdF 2024, I'd... maybe dress in one of those roadside dinosaur costumes or something & lose my mind a little. There's a red line & that's definitely "on the other side".

In any case if Vingegaard is on the startlist I expect Pog to go absolutely nuts with attacks in the first week in order to distance him for good. I think the gaps in GC could be enormous.

 

[Cookster15]

Some news: Vingegaard now training in France (altitude training). His coach says "it's starting to look like normal training". They're working on bringing him into performance shape, strengthening his shoulder, and getting him closer to his optimal weight.

According to this article, a decision about his TdF participation may not be made until few days before the race begins: https://www.dr.dk/sporten/cykling/v...ar-nye-hoejder-begynder-ligne-normal-traening

Thanks for this. Ran it through Google translator.

It is not just Jonas Vingegaard's strength and weight that must be close to being approved. The rest of the North Jutland's body must do the same - because otherwise he won't make it to the Tour de France.

Plugge basically reiterated what he has been saying all along:

Jonas Vingegaard is doing fine, but he has to be 100 percent to go. We will have to see how it develops in the coming weeks.

They will keep everyone guessing right up until June 29. Its like a football manager with an injured star player, also mind games with Pogacar being played I think. But I still think almost zero probability he can be at Tour winning level. Who would Visma draft to take his position if he is ruled out?

 

[AmRacer]

Thanks for this. Ran it through Google translator.



Plugge basically reinstated what he has been saying all along:


They will keep everyone guessing right up until June 29. Its like a football manager with an injured star player, also mind games with Pogacar being played I think. But I still think almost zero probability he can be at Tour winning level. Who would Visma draft to take his position if he is ruled out?

Sepp and Matteo.

 

[kingjr]

I was more thinking of the “other” forum. But I think it’s clear Vingegaard isn’t as popular as Pogacar. He is viewed as a TdF specialist, a bit like Armstrong was. Yes he does other races but those are seen as prep for the TdF - last year Vuelta an obvious exception. Tbf it would be impossible for any current rider to rival Pogacar’s versatility across all terrains and both grand tours and one day races. This versatility and his public persona is likely why he is much more popular.

Armstrong was no more a TdF specialist than his closest rivals.

 

[Froome]

The decision is already made by Visma. He will be at the Tour. They are just playing "safe" in terms of communication.

For some reason he was in Mallorca and is now in Tignes.

 

[Ripper]

Well the next two months will be interesting. Will he be off form, which would completely make sense. Or will he be a world beater again, the feel good story of the year?

I feel sorry for those of you who do not believe in miracles ...

 

[ElDesordenado]

Well the next two months will be interesting. Will he be off form, which would completely make sense. Or will he be a world beater again, the feel good story of the year?

I feel sorry for those of you who do not believe in miracles ...

His coach gave this update the other day:

“When Jonas follows the training and does all the

things, I’ve never seen anything like it. I think it’s part of genetics but it’s also trusting in what you’re doing.

“I think it was two years ago, in one of the altitude camps before Dauphiné, one of the teammates said ‘ah, it’s not fair. This guy trains for a week, and he’s improving so fast.’

“That is that is something that I’ve never seen with any other athlete yet, that he is so able to improve so quickly.”​

 

[SHAD0W93]

His coach gave this update the other day:

“When Jonas follows the training and does all the

things, I’ve never seen anything like it. I think it’s part of genetics but it’s also trusting in what you’re doing.

“I think it was two years ago, in one of the altitude camps before Dauphiné, one of the teammates said ‘ah, it’s not fair. This guy trains for a week, and he’s improving so fast.’

“That is that is something that I’ve never seen with any other athlete yet, that he is so able to improve so quickly.”​

View: https://youtu.be/OLtHFVT7htM?si=3IW6pEWcnGP9Evu8

 

[Froome]

View: https://youtu.be/OLtHFVT7htM?si=3IW6pEWcnGP9Evu8

"There's no rule, no law, no regulation that says you can't come back. So I have every right to come back."

"Winning is about heart, not just legs. It's got to be in the right place."

"The last thing I’ll say for the people that don’t believe in cycling, the cynics and the sceptics, I’m sorry for you. I’m sorry you can’t dream big and I’m sorry you don’t believe in miracles...”

Once a wiseman said this. Believe in Vingegaard.

 

[Oldermanish]

Teddy also has charisma, and skeletor really realllllllly lacks in that department

However real the personalities we see are; they seem rooted in each rider's real self. I like Vindegaard's shy reserve. He's every nerd's hero and an absolute killer when it's time to lay down the law.
If he recovers to his former strengths and succeeds we'll probably see a more open fellow.

 

[Oldermanish]

His coach gave this update the other day:

“When Jonas follows the training and does all the

things, I’ve never seen anything like it. I think it’s part of genetics but it’s also trusting in what you’re doing.

“I think it was two years ago, in one of the altitude camps before Dauphiné, one of the teammates said ‘ah, it’s not fair. This guy trains for a week, and he’s improving so fast.’

“That is that is something that I’ve never seen with any other athlete yet, that he is so able to improve so quickly.”​

More past history and projection. That improvement they refer to was a healthy, emerging rider with two good operating lungs and enough time to train.

 

[ElDesordenado]

More past history and projection. That improvement they refer to was a healthy, emerging rider with two good operating lungs and enough time to train.

Sure, but supposedly, it's this unique ability to quickly improve that makes it possible that Vingegaard might be able to be a TdF contender despite his injuries. That's why the coach mentions it.

All this natural ability/genetics always makes me wonder where Vingegaard was before his 2020/21 transformation. I remember him saying it was impossible for anyone to follow Roglic in training. That Roglic was some sort of once-in-a-generation phenomenon.

Fast forward a few years ...

 

[Rackham]

Evidently it's all about whatever state of the art sci-fi program he's on offsetting physical impairments to the extent a half injured rider can still drop the watts.

When Vinge performs at the Tour, Jumbo probably hope the fairy-tale 'story' they've got with his miraculous recovery will drown out all the other screams aka "this is impossible after his crash he's definitely juiced". We can expect Eurosport & the cycling press/influencers to really sell the dream. Vinge will blow kisses & hug his family as well with lots of tears & super duper emotion on TV. And you know what? It'll work as well. People will love it & folks here will be made to appear like bitter cynical old f*rts for spreading nasty comments about such a hardworking miracle man with a beautiful family.

I don't know guys but I sort of get the feeling this one can be seen coming from a mile away. Unless this is some sort of bluster for the sponsors (like they're worried some might bail if there's no TdF glory on the horizon), I don't get 'why' Visma would hint at TdF hope like this if they didn't have a very precise plan to get Vinge back to his best level - no matter how artificial that best level might be.

 

[Froome]

Sure, but supposedly, it's this unique ability to quickly improve that makes it possible that Vingegaard might be able to be a TdF contender despite his injuries. That's why the coach mentions it.

All this natural ability/genetics always makes me wonder where Vingegaard was before his 2020/21 transformation. I remember him saying it was impossible for anyone to follow Roglic in training. That Roglic was some sort of once-in-a-generation phenomenon.

Fast forward a few years ...

He was in Denmark in a slow team, doing a part time. 2019 was the first year at Visma.

He improved faster at Visma, despite some issues with covid and some injuries in the tendons, and psychological issues.