Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

[Ripper]

I'd be a bit more miffed about the inevitability of this miraculous comeback we are about to witness and the absolutely unbearable nonsense we will get from Plugge etc, but to be fair I've just watched his rival win the Giro by 10 minutes with 6 stages whilst looking around at the scenery so I'm going to try and enjoy it a bit more this year.

Ugh, Plugge really is quite unbearable isn't he?

 

[Ripper]

We can't be naive about the sport but Rasmussen is in a world of his own. Easier to ignore that opinion, isn't it?

People I would just not trust

• Rasmussen
• Matxin
• Ricco
• Gianetti
• Ryder
• Lance-a-lot
• Benjie
• Carmichael
• Froome
• Brailsford
• Plugge

Oh geez, this list is getting a bit long

 

[Froome]

People I would just not trust

• Rasmussen
• Matxin
• Ricco
• Gianetti
• Ryder
• Lance-a-lot
• Benjie
• Carmichael
• Froome
• Brailsford
• Plugge

Oh geez, this list is getting a bit long

Better not trust anybody in cycling.

 

[ElDesordenado]

One of the most prolific dopers in the history of the sport commenting on the current era of riders? Lol.

A career doper who used a smorgasbord of doping products; EPO, HGH, testosterone, IGF-1, Insulin, DHEA, corticosteroids & transfusions. Lol

Isn't that a bit like saying Tyler Hamilton can't have a valid opinion on cycling?

Michael Rasmussen is in the all time top 3 of Danish GC riders, which funnily includes:

- Bjarne Riis ("Mr 60 %", limitless EPO use topped up with blood transfusions)
- Michael Rasmussen (all the stuff you mentioned; considered doping with his father's blood etc)
- Jonas Vingegaard (genetic freak who improved his diet, aerodynamics, and mental issues. Clean!)

 

[Oldermanish]

Isn't that a bit like saying Tyler Hamilton can't have a valid opinion on cycling?

Michael Rasmussen is in the all time top 3 of Danish GC riders, which funnily includes:

- Bjarne Riis ("Mr 60 %", limitless EPO use topped up with blood transfusions)
- Michael Rasmussen (all the stuff you mentioned; considered doping with his father's blood etc)
- Jonas Vingegaard (genetic freak who improved his diet, aerodynamics, and mental issues. Clean!)

Tyler had a serious streak of personality shortcomings that had him doping for: Rock Racing?????!!!!
Add to that an ability to conjure up alternative reasons for his "chimera" positive and the lies, fundraising from fans that came from it.

 

[solo80k]

Well, according to Visma, a lot of Vingegaard's success has to do with improved eating habits. "We created him in the lab". And, as he said himself after the last time trial in the TdF 2022, he has worked a lot on his aerodynamics. "We're completely clean".

I feel sorry for Jonas after all. Whatever Visma is doing with him, it's tearing him apart. I see extremely unhealthy skin tone and strage emptiness in his eyes during the Tour. His moves are sometimes quite unnatural, he apparently feels no/ very little pain (almost as if he's using morfine during some key stages). His numbers are great but I'm thinking... how long will he be able to sustain it.

 

[ElDesordenado]

I feel sorry for Jonas after all. Whatever Visma is doing with him, it's tearing him apart. I see extremely unhealthy skin tone and strage emptiness in his eyes during the Tour. His moves are sometimes quite unnatural, he apparently feels no/ very little pain (almost as if he's using morfine during some key stages). His numbers are great but I'm thinking... how long will he be able to sustain it.

I noticed the thing with the skin too + he just gets skinnier and skinnier

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I'm very curious about Skeletor in the coming weeks. Will he make it to the Tour? Will he drop some ridiculous watt bomb there against all the odds? We have to believe in this honest and modest man, don't we?

Visma-LAB will postpone their decision to the very last moment to know if he's achieved good enough numbers - they won't take him to the Tour for training but for the victory (or not at all).

 

[Rob5091]

Deny, deny, deny or ... diversion! Netflix Season 2 - spolier alert!
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...merge-over-2023-tour-de-france-netflix-series

The famous feud between Visma and Groupama-FDJ managers Richard Plugge and Marc Madiot was also tackled, regarding the comments of Plugge on the FDJ riders having beer during the race. The CEO of the Dutch team admits this was created to get the media to stop asking questions regarding Jonas Vingegaard and doping speculation following the stage 16 time-trial in which he put on an unbelievable performance. This came also because Madiot himself seems to insinuate that the Danish rider was not clean - to which Vingegaard himself also responds in this series.

 

[NFTtiddies]

Just re-watched stage 16. Jesus christ what the f#ck did they feed him

 

[ElDesordenado]

Just re-watched stage 16. Jesus christ what the f#ck did they feed him

Lots of love!

 

[SHAD0W93]

Just re-watched stage 16. Jesus christ what the f#ck did they feed him

Love, 0 alcohol, 0 fiber, stool softeners, enemas, and wind.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Just re-watched stage 16. Jesus christ what the f#ck did they feed him

The password to activate the monster is: show the world who's the strongest.

This is what happened when they used the password in hospital after his crash:

 

[Rob5091]

What state was Vingegaard in that Plugge had to start up some fake dispute with FDJ/Madiot, or was it just spite?

 

[Rackham]

I'm just waiting for the opportune moment to type "But Plugge..." just for lols in a full sentence unrelated to actual butt plugs.

I'm surprised I haven't seen that one yet tbh.

"Vingegaard starts the Tour with uncertain form but Plugge says Visma is a well-oiled team"

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I'm just waiting for the opportune moment to type "But Plugge..." just for lols in a full sentence unrelated to actual butt plugs.

I'm surprised I haven't seen that one yet tbh.

"Vingegaard starts the Tour with uncertain form but Plugge says Visma is a well-oiled team"

We won't find out about the squad until stage 1. During the presentation day they will be testing Skeletor's threshold. If he makes it, good for them. If not, at least they will have stressed Teddy for longer and then Kuss 3.0 will appear out of nowhere!

 

[Mayomaniac]

I'm just waiting for the opportune moment to type "But Plugge..." just for lols in a full sentence unrelated to actual butt plugs.

I'm surprised I haven't seen that one yet tbh.

"Vingegaard starts the Tour with uncertain form but Plugge says Visma is a well-oiled team"

As much as I'd like to see Perc Vinge rise from the ashes at the Tour, imo it's not gonna happen.

 

[Red Rick]

People I would just not trust

• Rasmussen
• Matxin
• Ricco
• Gianetti
• Ryder
• Lance-a-lot
• Benjie
• Carmichael
• Froome
• Brailsford
• Plugge

Oh geez, this list is getting a bit long

It's like.... anyone who speaks is in big trouble

 

[noob]

• Rasmussen
• Matxin
• Ricco
• Gianetti
• Ryder
• Lance-a-lot
• Benjie
• Carmichael
• Froome
• Brailsford
• Plugge

Oh geez, this list is getting a bit long

That list is way too short! I don't trust any rider whatsoever

And I see you trust Vaughters

 

[pastronef]

That list is way too short! I don't trust any rider whatsoever

And I see you trust Vaughters

should I trust athletes I watch on tv? what I mean, is there a need to "trust" people we don't know but for watching them ride a bike in races? trust for what?

 

[Ripper]

It's like.... anyone who speaks is in big trouble

Perhaps a bit more nuanced than that.

It is really, really weird for me watching the Netflix TdF thing and seeing vampy Mauro G being given air time. I mean, huge doper himself, head of multiple proven doped teams. Yet he *seems* to have had less flack and ostracization than the likes of Riis and Bruyneel when it comes to official cycling press (I say seems to because perhaps that is my own biased lens).

To be frank, I would say I trust more what comes out of Bruyneel's mouth than the folks I listed.

 

[Ripper]

That list is way too short! I don't trust any rider whatsoever

And I see you trust Vaughters

Definitely not, I just got lazy. See my post above. I would trust Bruyneel more than JV. Not that I think Vaughters is hiding le dopage, more that he just strikes that BS PR angle

 

[Red Rick]

Perhaps a bit more nuanced than that.

It is really, really weird for me watching the Netflix TdF thing and seeing vampy Mauro G being given air time. I mean, huge doper himself, head of multiple proven doped teams. Yet he *seems* to have had less flack and ostracization than the likes of Riis and Bruyneel when it comes to official cycling press (I say seems to because perhaps that is my own biased lens).

To be frank, I would say I trust more what comes out of Bruyneel's mouth than the folks I listed.

I don't think being kicked out for speaking is quite permanent, but if you want to be in you're absolutely expected to pretend like the current guys are cleanz.

I think this is also a way for the sport tobuy credibility. You take guys who did confess in the past, and told all the dirty stories of their era and have them say "but they so clean now"

Even *** Armstrong isn't even speaking out.

 

[ontheroad]

I don't think being kicked out for speaking is quite permanent, but if you want to be in you're absolutely expected to pretend like the current guys are cleanz.

I think this is also a way for the sport tobuy credibility. You take guys who did confess in the past, and told all the dirty stories of their era and have them say "but they so clean now"

Even *** Armstrong isn't even speaking out.

If you start from the basis that they are all doping then the worst types of people in the sport are the snakeoil salesmen types. The Vaughters, Brailsfords and Armstrongs of the world who either downright lie or try to insult peoples intelligence by selling an illusion.

Armstrong is back making money from the sport again so he’s not going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg. Same with Horner.

 

[noob]

should I trust athletes I watch on tv? what I mean, is there a need to "trust" people we don't know but for watching them ride a bike in races? trust for what?

Are you trying to deprive me of all my parasocial delusions?

Of course it matters since many people stop watching because of it.

I mean we can deny parasociality as much as we want but this forum wouldn't exist without it? People attach to riders and become emotional about it. So if they feel fooled they might feel betrayed. It seems to be human behaviour.

I personally made a 180 turn coming here after hearing Thomas Dekker the Descent. I can't watch races without picturing all the needles, blood and groupies. I came to this forum for the clinic , so I definitely care. Not because I want to cancel anyone but because it's interesting to "spot the psychopaths". I like the figuring out in itself. I like digging up facts about riders from old social media accounts etc. It's a fun hunt. It has nothing to do with my wanting to out or cancel them though. I'm not into cancel culture as it's inefficient.

But God I hope these guys are in open marriages/relationships or I suffer for the sake of their partners. For all imaginable and unimaginable reasons.

I think it was Cycling highlights channel who said they believe the doping is safer but not more clean.