Jonas Vingegaard: Something is Rotten

[PhiLiz]

8 out of 10 on the Riis scale. Only beat Piepoli (confessed the use of CERA a few days later) and Cobo time... Still room to improve.

 

[ngent41]

This is a tragedy

It'll be a triumph in like 10 years when Gaudu turns into the first french tour winner in decades

 

[Samu Cuenca]

A Danish man crushing the field on Hautacam, clinching the overall title. Where have I seen this before? At least he’s not bald or balding, I don’t think.

We'll see in a few years.

Question is if he gets to start tomorrow or something prevents it. Luckily for him he doesn't seem to have made as many enemies as his namesake yet.

 

[roundabout]

I think Pogacar and Gaudu were the only people within 10% of Vingegaard's W/kg value on the Hautacam.

 

[BullsFan22]

there’s still time for him to pull a typical Danish late time trial performance, so there’s still a glimmer of hope for Pogačar….

 

[solo80k]

We're back in 90's, fastest Hautacam since 2000 Armstrong. Nibali in 2014 would be very close (20 sec. faster) to Pogi.

I honestly understand why Pogi lost. He wasn't prepared for matching climbing records from 90s but I hope he'll be ready next year.

 

[ashhutch1997]

The stage today really reminded me of the thermonuclear performance by the Chicken in 2007. Let's see if history will repeat....

 

[tonymikejoe]

On Lance Armstrong's podcast they noted Riis flew up Hautacam in 1996 over two minutes quicker than Jonas V did today.
Lance also could not resist quoting his own doped climbing time and boasting words to the effect of: "If I was there today, I'd be in the mix." (without mentioning the doping, obviously).

 

[roundabout]

If Luc Leblanc was there today, he'd be in the mix too.

 

[roundabout]

2 stages on which Vingegaard attacked himself instead of only marking Pogacar

Pogacar +3.55
Thomas +4.32
Gaudu +5.02
Quintana +6.21
(Meintjes +16.26)
Vlasov +8.44
Bardet +7.50
Lutsenko +6.47
Yates +7.44

I can't actually begin to imagine the gaps if Vingegaard raced in Van Aert mode

 

[Ripper]

LOL at another nuclear day. The top 3 in GC all make me laugh, but especially vingo and pogo. Without vingo, pogo would be destroying everyone just like last year. And G is so believable

 

[Cagalitroso]

On Lance Armstrong's podcast they noted Riis flew up Hautacam in 1996 over two minutes quicker than Jonas V did today.
Lance also could not resist quoting his own doped climbing time and boasting words to the effect of: "If I was there today, I'd be in the mix." (without mentioning the doping, obviously).

doping IS the mix...so I fully agree with mr tricky

 

[hfer07]

............. but Vingeggard didn't climb the Hautacam on the big ring ala Riis

 

[Pirazziattacks]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1550215906005057536

View: https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily/status/1550215906005057536

That's still a solid effort at the end of a hard stage, and a very hard Tour.

 

[Scarponi]

If Luc Leblanc was there today, he'd be in the mix too.

Watched that stage the other night, they really were flying and still Riis would have put time into Leblanc and Indurain

 

[Savant12]

"fresh legs.... :')

Can we confirm that this is indeed what he said? because that is just rather over the top... Would be good to have some W/kg numbers on the climbs.

Starting to believe whatever froome was using is childs play today. skinnier people with better endurance and explosiveness.

Froome had maybe, one day, where he and his team would blow the race apart and he held onto his lead in the TTs. He was never this Vingo-good over a 3 week Grand Tour and often had bad days in the mountains, needing the help of Porte/Poels to limit his losses.

Vingo has been crazily good, never looking weak on any stage, crashes aside.

 

[zlev11]

the climbing speeds are out of control this year and there's no way to argue about it. they're doing it after attacking from distance too. it should be very alarming.

 

[BullsFan22]

Watched that stage the other night, they really were flying and still Riis would have put time into Leblanc and Indurain

Ullrich was working for Riis all of that tour, I wonder, if given the green light to race his own race, how well he would have fared. I bet quite well, I’d have given him a good chance of winning that tour. He was getting better, and he beat Riis comfortably in the final TT, closing the gap down to 1:40 which was the final gap. He was even better in 1997 of course, but I am willing to bet he could have won in 1996 as well.

 

[Rackham]

We're back in 90's, fastest Hautacam since 2000 Armstrong. Nibali in 2014 would be very close (20 sec. faster) to Pogi.

I honestly understand why Pogi lost. He wasn't prepared for matching climbing records from 90s but I hope he'll be ready next year.

Yes, we know why Pogacar lost.

Jumbo looked at what UAE did, copied them with a new rider & bam, destroyed him. It's the most blatant example of a performance enhancing drugs arms race I've seen in a very long time. There wasn't even an attempt to be subtle, no, it's just straight-up humiliation of UAE's team doctors. Jumbo didn't just boost the whole squad for the duration of the TdF (something UAE haven't managed yet, despite some tentative attempts with Bjerg & McNulty), they produced a "masterpiece" (like their TdF jersey which looks like a burnt waffle) in the form of a former fish factory worker 'enhanced' to a degree he was better than Pogacar. That's extraordinary.

Although I wonder whether Vingegaard will now return to his usual uninspiring level for the rest of the season & next spring? Or will he go all out & embrace his new standing? It could look weird to have the best climber in the world suddenly start losing on cols against riders like Jon Izagirre again (like in Itzulia last April).

Will Vingegaard be the new-new Merckx like Pogacar? Or will he be a July monster like in the EPO years where riders were 'prepared' for one objective? We'll find out soon enough (& get bombarded with the usual excuses & handwaving i.e. "he had peak form in the TdF it's totally normal!!!".

How about no.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

they produced a "masterpiece" (like their TdF jersey which looks like a burnt waffle) in the form of a former fish factory worker 'enhanced' to a degree he was better than Pogacar. That's extraordinary.

Something is fishy, isn't it?

I definitely think the Fisherman will be a GT specialist focused mainly on the Tour (and maybe on another GT at some point) - i.e. since last years TdF his form wasn't even close to that until the Dauphine (OTOH Pog had TdF form even in March and early April).

 

[Rackham]

Something is fishy, isn't it?

I definitely think the Fisherman will be a GT specialist focused mainly on the Tour (and maybe on another GT at some point) - i.e. since last years TdF his form wasn't even close to that until the Dauphine (OTOH Pog had TdF form even in March and early April).

This is one of the reasons I prefer Pogacar. I think Roglic also has that same philosophy, i.e. he'll race full gas all season & win as much as possible (& then who cares if he has a bad day? It just adds a level of necessary unpredictability). For example the Vuelta 2020 was peak spectacle with Carapaz, Roglic & the rest of the GC contenders in a narrow performance window (especially on climbs). Roglic cracked in two stages in that Vuelta, i.e. Formigal & Angliru.

I think Pogacar's total explosion on the Granon stage in this TdF also made him a better rider, i.e. someone who can give entertainment in victory & also in defeat. Just like Roglic. But July monsters (like Lance) who never have a bad day in the TdF & then return to a boring level for the rest of the year? Not fun.

And it also isn't more believable either. The whole "this rider is building peak form towards the TdF" was always just code for "this rider's red blood cells will be ready at the TdF".

 

[Cookster15]

LOL at another nuclear day. The top 3 in GC all make me laugh, but especially vingo and pogo. Without vingo, pogo would be destroying everyone just like last year. And G is so believable

Yep. I just find this result so wrong. If I have to pick between two dopers I will pick then one who was winning since a very young age every time - that is Pog. As I've said numerous times, what clue was there about Vingo before the 2021 TdF? Answer: naught.

I wonder what the Danish media are saying, no doubt ignorant on how this was actually achieved?

I just cannot find this entertaining. I cannot bring myself to go the PRR forum since I knew the stage result as its impossible to discuss what we just witnessed without regard to doping. And yes I agree about 36 y/o G too. He was maybe 2 minutes faster on the Alpe than when he was in Tour winning form with the Sky train in 2018 - at 32.

I actually miss "Hitch". These are the times he would write some long response here rationalizing the ridiculous.

 

[Rackham]

There's very little talk about doping in general, which is absurd considering the 'spectacle' on display.

Pogacar, Roglic, Bernal, Froome etc. all had/have to answer questions about doping when they were leading or winning the TdF. But WvA, Jumbo & Vingegaard just redefined the rules of cycling where fatigue & accumulated efforts have zero repercussions... yet what do we hear? So far just crickets. It's the craziest stuff I've seen but most people this morning seem to be 'buzzing' about the "best TdF in decades".

I mean take the Granon stage for example: Pogacar cracked & everyone says "it's because he responded to all the Jumbo attacks when he shouldn't have". Yet Vingegaard responded to all of Pogacar's attacks over two days in the Pyrenees & still just climbed without breathing. And on the same topic I can't even be bothered to dissect the absurdity & farcical aspect of Wout van Aert dropping Pogacar on Hautacam after being on the attack all day.

 

[Cookster15]

There's very little talk about doping in general, which is absurd considering the 'spectacle' on display.

Pogacar, Roglic, Bernal, Froome etc. all had/have to answer questions about doping when they were leading or winning the TdF. But WvA, Jumbo & Vingegaard just redefined the rules of cycling where fatigue & accumulated efforts have zero repercussions... yet what do we hear? So far just crickets. It's the craziest stuff I've seen but most people this morning seem to be 'buzzing' about the "best TdF in decades".

I mean take the Granon stage for example: Pogacar cracked & everyone says "it's because he responded to all the Jumbo attacks when he shouldn't have". Yet Vingegaard responded to all of Pogacar's attacks over two days in the Pyrenees & still just climbed without breathing. And on the same topic I can't even be bothered to dissect the absurdity & farcical aspect of Wout van Aert dropping Pogacar on Hautacam after being on the attack all day.

Must be a lot of new fans to the sport here? But I do notice a few old timers in the comments they should know better. Yes the WvA Green jersey effort going on the attack from the gun then having enough power to drop Pog on Hautacam was possibly the most absurd thing I've seen since Floyd. Wiki puts him at 78Kg. What the?

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

There's very little talk about doping in general, which is absurd considering the 'spectacle' on display.

Pogacar, Roglic, Bernal, Froome etc. all had/have to answer questions about doping when they were leading or winning the TdF. But WvA, Jumbo & Vingegaard just redefined the rules of cycling where fatigue & accumulated efforts have zero repercussions... yet what do we hear? So far just crickets. It's the craziest stuff I've seen but most people this morning seem to be 'buzzing' about the "best TdF in decades".

I mean take the Granon stage for example: Pogacar cracked & everyone says "it's because he responded to all the Jumbo attacks when he shouldn't have". Yet Vingegaard responded to all of Pogacar's attacks over two days in the Pyrenees & still just climbed without breathing. And on the same topic I can't even be bothered to dissect the absurdity & farcical aspect of Wout van Aert dropping Pogacar on Hautacam after being on the attack all day.

I mean. When the Jumbo DS give out the Ketones and other stuff to the riders he says to Wout: "Not you Wout, you fell in the cauldron of special sauce as a child."