Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

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"I am completely convinced that he is already terrified of the ninth stage, which contains no less than 14 gravel sectors," analyses TV 2's cycling expert Magnus Drivenes of the Dane's hopes of a Maillot Jaune hattrick.

The very idea of Vingegaard being "terrified" of gravel. That sure fits with everything we've seen of him as a rider and a person.

(Unfortunately not a translation error as the original wording was "livredd" or "scared to death". )

Interesting to see if this will prompt any changes in his usual racing program - I wouldn't think so, but if 2024 will be the year where everyone will try their gravel skills at Strade Bianchi, why not.
 
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Strade would be fun to see.

But the real pain in the ass for the gravel is the mechanicals, the fights for positioning and the RNG. The overall profile isn't hard at all, I don't believe for one second you just blast dudes out of your wheel on a flat gravel section of 1 kilometer, and all the selection is gonna be crashes and mechanicals.

And the problem compared to the cobbled stage IMO is that gravel starts earlier so if you get *** you're *** with 100km to go instead of 40km to go.
 
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The very idea of Vingegaard being "terrified" of gravel. That sure fits with everything we've seen of him as a rider and a person.

(Unfortunately not a translation error as the original wording was "livredd" or "scared to death". )

Interesting to see if this will prompt any changes in his usual racing program - I wouldn't think so, but if 2024 will be the year where everyone will try their gravel skills at Strade Bianchi, why not.
Vingegaard probably won't be that terrified of the gravel itself, he's a good bike handler (better than Pogacar actually) and he has the power to do well on that sort of terrain. As with cobbles, the difficulty isn't really the surface but the nervousness and the bad luck factor.

Last time around it was Vingo who had the bad luck, but in principle he has a great team for that kind of stage. If Pogi has a flat or a mechanical, let's see if his team can bring him back like Jumbo could for Vingegaard. These perceptions can change pretty fast in pundit land... suddenly it's Pogi who should be afraid (nonsense of course, but the same goes for Vingegaard).
 
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Vingegaard probably won't be that terrified of the gravel itself, he's a good bike handler (better than Pogacar actually) and he has the power to do well on that sort of terrain. As with cobbles, the difficulty isn't really the surface but the nervousness and the bad luck factor.

Last time around it was Vingo who had the bad luck, but in principle he has a great team for that kind of stage. If Pogi has a flat or a mechanical, let's see if his team can bring him back like Jumbo could for Vingegaard. These perceptions can change pretty fast in pundit land... suddenly it's Pogi who should be afraid (nonsense of course, but the same goes for Vingegaard).
Sometimes this seems true, other times not so much. Did you see him trying to get the photo with Roglic and Kuss? I’m sure someone has a link to the video.
 
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Sometimes this seems true, other times not so much. Did you see him trying to get the photo with Roglic and Kuss? I’m sure someone has a link to the video.
Yes it's a good meme and it made me chuckle. There was one dude here who knew alot more about this stuff than me, that had an explanation as to why it's hard for Jonas to ride without hands, something with bike setup. Made sense when he posted it.
 
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Sometimes this seems true, other times not so much. Did you see him trying to get the photo with Roglic and Kuss? I’m sure someone has a link to the video.
In times when it matters, like in descents, Vingegaard is noticeably better. But the perception is that Pogacar is the better bike handler, for some reason.

Vingo seems to be a bit awkward, he doesn't look like Macaulay Culkin for nothing. But in actual bike racing... not so much.
 
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"I am completely convinced that he is already terrified of the ninth stage, which contains no less than 14 gravel sectors," analyses TV 2's cycling expert Magnus Drivenes of the Dane's hopes of a Maillot Jaune hattrick. "They were in the same area in the women's Tour last year, when there was a lot of drama."
This „gravel stage“ in next year’s TdF: do you guys know if this will be „brutal gravel“, which requires excellent bike handling skills at the speeds TdF riders race - or if this will be harmless gravel, on roads which can be ridden almost as regular tarmac roads?

I‘m also interested to see how Vingegaard will do. I would love to see him practicing at Strade Bianche in March. :)
 
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This „gravel stage“ in next year’s TdF: do you guys know if this will be „brutal gravel“, which requires excellent bike handling skills at the speeds TdF riders race - or if this will be harmless gravel, on roads which can be ridden almost as regular tarmac roads?

I‘m also interested to see how Vingegaard will do. I would love to see him practicing at Strade Bianche in March. :)
View: https://twitter.com/LeTour/status/1717473386287243470?t=HpX8Ioyh9WycykvovhWJaA&s=19
 
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In times when it matters, like in descents, Vingegaard is noticeably better. But the perception is that Pogacar is the better bike handler, for some reason.

Vingo seems to be a bit awkward, he doesn't look like Macaulay Culkin for nothing. But in actual bike racing... not so much.

How about an avatar bet then, I say that Pogacar gains time on Vingegaard on the gravel stage.

I win only if Pogacar gains actual time (so not through time bonuses). You win if they finish together or Vingegaard finishes ahead.

Should be an easy bet for you to take.
 
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How about an avatar bet then, I say that Pogacar gains time on Vingegaard on the gravel stage.

I win only if Pogacar gains actual time (so not through time bonuses). You win if they finish together or Vingegaard finishes ahead.

Should be an easy bet for you to take.
No, because like I said, a stage like that is mostly decided on luck, not on skills. I'm not betting on bad luck of either of them.
 
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If it's just bad luck, then surely Pogi is as likely to suffer from it as Vingegaard is? It's unclear to me then why that should dissuade you from a mere avatar bet.
Other than luck I don't think there's a lot of difference between the two, so why would I then bet on Vingegaard? I just don't think he's necessarily sh.tting his pants because he's supposedly so bad at riding gravel.
 
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I'll take the bet then, if you are up for it @roundabout. I don't care about bad luck, the original resolution criterium is good enough for me.

Duration from after the stage until the end of the Tour?
 
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Other than luck I don't think there's a lot of difference between the two, so why would I then bet on Vingegaard? I just don't think he's necessarily sh.tting his pants because he's supposedly so bad at riding gravel.
If there won't be a time difference, you'd win. It sounds like you think that side of the bet is more likely than the other.
 
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