Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Red Rick]

His trainer said he's still only doing light endurnace work. Which doesn't bode very well for hitting peak shape at the Tour de France.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I'd guess there's a Berg or two in Denmark he can train at.

Sadly one Bjerg is in Italy right now.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So i imagine that journalist is camping there?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

His trainer said he's still only doing light endurnace work. Which doesn't bode very well for hitting peak shape at the Tour de France.

I think it's a more plausible scenario that they will try to prepare him as well as possible for the Vuelta, where he would be the favourite even if not at 100%.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I just read in local media that Plugge said if Jonas won't be 100% then he won't defend his Tour tittle and if recovered then van Aert will be Vismas plan A.

 

[Gwbert]

I think it's a more plausible scenario that they will try to prepare him as well as possible for the Vuelta, where he would be the favourite even if not at 100%.

Which would set him up well for next year and long-term for the GT triple

 

[Mlarsen]

Newsupdate 14th of may 2024:

News about JV from the danish newspaper BT translated into english.

 

[Sciatic]

Newsupdate 14th of may 2024:

News about JV from the danish newspaper BT translated into english.

Summing up the level of someone’s physical status as follows: “he can carry out normal daily activities: walking around, changing clothes, moving his arm” just 6 weeks prior the start of a GT is hardly ideal. I don’t know what’s possible from him but it’s difficult to understand why some folks say he’ll be ready for the Tour, no problem.

ed. Better sentence would be “difficult to understand why some folks think it will be no problem for him to be ready for the Tour.”

 

[Netserk]

It doesn’t sound like his oxygen uptake is fully back.

 

[Nick2413]

I just read in local media that Plugge said if Jonas won't be 100% then he won't defend his Tour tittle and if recovered then van Aert will be Vismas plan A.

If they are even considering Wout for plan A they have to have him in full preparation for that now. More weight reduction and pure climbing work than even his usual domestique years. It would be interesting to see him go for GC just to see what actually happens, but wouldn’t Kuss be their first man after Vingegaard?

 

[scribers]

I just read in local media that Plugge said if Jonas won't be 100% then he won't defend his Tour tittle and if recovered then van Aert will be Vismas plan A.

For green jersey?

 

[Nick2413]

The problem with these crashes is sometimes a rider can be 100% a month later and sometimes it takes a whole career down. Too hard to know right out the gate. Cramps in a race can cause a single missed pedal stroke or a DNF. There’s still too little info out there.

 

[CyclistAbi]

If they are even considering Wout for plan A they have to have him in full preparation for that now. More weight reduction and pure climbing work than even his usual domestique years. It would be interesting to see him go for GC just to see what actually happens, but wouldn’t Kuss be their first man after Vingegaard?

For green jersey?

I assume likely not racing for GC and instead try to win stages. If neither Wout or Jonas will be ready then indeed it will be interesting to see on what strategy Visma will choose. Natural selection would indeed likely be Kuss and a team in support of his GC aspirations.

The problem with these crashes is sometimes a rider can be 100% a month later and sometimes it takes a whole career down. Too hard to know right out the gate. Cramps in a race can cause a single missed pedal stroke or a DNF. There’s still too little info out there.

I feel that Jonas will highly likely be just fine, after a while and will fully recover, somehow i doubt such time frame can be squeezed in till the Tour.

 

[Nick2413]

I assume likely not racing for GC and instead try to win stages. If neither Wout or Jonas will be ready then indeed it will be interesting to see on what strategy Visma will choose. Natural selection would indeed likely be Kuss and a team in support of his GC aspirations.

I was going off the idea they seemed to actually be going for GC with him in the Giro and I could see him theoretically getting on the podium in a perfect Tour. Seems weird for them to be reduced to stage hunters and green jersey candidate after last few years.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I was going off the idea they seemed to actually be going for GC with him in the Giro and I could see him theoretically getting on the podium in a perfect Tour. Seems weird for them to be reduced to stage hunters and green jersey candidate after last few years.

For GC in my opinion Wout would need to climb better and if he wants to climb better then he needs to drop some weight. Likely we are talking about somewhere in the range of 10kg. If he does that then he is not the Wout we know any more and who knows on how successful he would be after. The way he is now we know he can win stages at the Tour or any other GT.

 

[yaco]

They may as well take Kooij along with VWA who are a deadly combination.

 

[zekance]

Summing up the level of someone’s physical status as follows: “he can carry out normal daily activities: walking around, changing clothes, moving his arm” just 6 weeks prior the start of a GT is hardly ideal. I don’t know what’s possible from him but it’s difficult to understand why some folks say he’ll be ready for the Tour, no problem.

ed. Better sentence would be “difficult to understand why some folks think it will be no problem for him to be ready for the Tour.”

My opinion is based on similar cases that happened in the past (across multiple sports). There were cases where it took longer for athletes to come back but those are the exception.

I also think his team doesn't want to put any pressure on his return. So why would they out of nowhere started saying they have high hopes he could be at 100% for the tour? IMO they wouldn't be saying that unless they are certian he can make it (barring unforeseen setbacks).

Only time will tell.

 

[FanBoi]

According to danish media he got on the hometrainer on precisely the 29th of April. That’s is much later than expected. I now doubt his TDF.

 

[SHAD0W93]

According to danish media he got on the hometrainer on precisely the 29th of April. That’s is much later than expected. I now doubt his TDF.

Don’t worry, we’ve been told repeatedly he’ll be there and only has to be in 70% shape to win as it’s just the final week that’s important.

 

[AmRacer]

Don’t worry, we’ve been told repeatedly he’ll be there and only has to be in 70% shape to win as it’s just the final week that’s important.

He can attack in the third week.

 

[Vudy]

The Tour won't be decided by seconds but by minutes...

 

[scribers]

I was going off the idea they seemed to actually be going for GC with him in the Giro and I could see him theoretically getting on the podium in a perfect Tour. Seems weird for them to be reduced to stage hunters and green jersey candidate after last few years.

They never said what the team plan. But we all fairly well decided he is not a GC rider and maybe was riding for appearance fee, days in pink, and possibly the points classification jersey

 

[Netserk]

86 days before the Tour: Crash, broken ribs and punctured lung, hospitalisation in ICU.
74 days before the Tour: Leaves hospital.
61 days before the Tour: First day on a home-trainer.
53 days before the Tour: First day training outside in Denmark.

Status now, 45 days before the Tour: Lungs are perhaps still not fully recovered, still in pain, limited training volume. Not yet ready for altitude camps.

 

[Peyroteo94]

86 days before the Tour: Crash, broken ribs and punctured lung, hospitalisation in ICU.
74 days before the Tour: Leaves hospital.
61 days before the Tour: First day on a home-trainer.
53 days before the Tour: First day training outside in Denmark.

Status now, 45 days before the Tour: Lungs are perhaps still not fully recovered, still in pain, limited training volume. Not yet ready for altitude camps.

Tour is a mirage.

 

[Nick2413]

86 days before the Tour: Crash, broken ribs and punctured lung, hospitalisation in ICU.
74 days before the Tour: Leaves hospital.
61 days before the Tour: First day on a home-trainer.
53 days before the Tour: First day training outside in Denmark.

Status now, 45 days before the Tour: Lungs are perhaps still not fully recovered, still in pain, limited training volume. Not yet ready for altitude camps.

So you’re saying there’s a chance