Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[RobertCrawley]

If he proves himself in the high mountains it may be too late, which is why it's, you know, a gamble. I think his form in high mountains is almost as much of a question mark as Remco's.

I don't think Jonas in last year's form [and to be fair, with last year's team] would ignore other possible opponents and focus only on Pogacar.

I agree we have no idea how good Jonas will be in the mountains. In interviews, it sounds like Jonas is curious to find out as well.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Of course he will do, because those guys are not better than Roglic and Remco. They can't follow them.

Besides that, at THE MOMENT Pogacar still needs to attack to take time on Evenepoel at least, because he can't go with 33 s to the last ITT of advantage.

So, even Emirates needs to make the race hard and attack with Pogacar.

Okay, wait and see. I can't see a world where Roglic and Remco are way better than Yates, Almeida and Ayuso. And you can't forget the fight between Remco and Rodriguez for the podium. You are dreaming mate, if Vingegaard wants to win the Tour, he will need to drop Pogacar by his own without help from other teams.

 

[CleanCiclismo]

Cringe rider, cringe tactics

Read somewhere that if you like Mourinho and his tactics then Jonas is your guy.

 

[Tim Cahill]

'No balls'

3 months ago;

Rides TDF 3 months later

 

[ppanther92]

Of course he will do, because those guys are not better than Roglic and Remco. They can't follow them.

On Galibier Roglic sure looked weaker than Almeida and Ayuso.

 

[scribers]

'No balls'

3 months ago;

Rides TDF 3 months later

Remco was fucqued up at that very moment too

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

'No balls'

3 months ago;

If you look closely i think you can see them next to that boulder!

 

[Taxus4a]

'No balls'

3 months ago;

Rides TDF 3 months later

 

[Taxus4a]

He has showed superballs...I dontt think his ex domestique Roglic trouble him too much...
He doesnt have any preassure here, he is not favourite after his crash, and first part of the race has to be conservative and to worry just about Pogacar.

 

[Medvind]

Tactics are simple, first part of the tour: ride conservatively and try to lose as little time as possible to your main rival Pog and hope that the shape get better than better. What about other rivals? Sure. Remco and Roglic can't be disregarded, but it's in the high mountains, Vinge's terrain, where he should try to drop them, not on a risky gravel stage. If Vinge's gets close to last year's form from stage 14 and forward, he will have plenty of chances of putting time into Remco and Roglic, for exampel stage 15 to Plateau de Beille.

If Vinge didn't crash in Basque and had aproper preparation for the tour, situation would be different of course, but as it is now, he must focus on Pog firstly and save as much energy as possible to try be as good as possible in the high mountains.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Jonas would be rather stupid to cooperate only to get dropped further down into the stage.

 

[zekance]

This year's Visma team for the mountains is not so strong...

I would take Tratnik and Lemmen over van Baarle and Van Hooydonck for the mountains. Jorgenson is on par with Kuss who was getting dropped by Yates last year and the same happend to Matteo on stage 4. Van Aert is not in the best form but is he really that much worse than last year when he was waiting for the baby to be born, I remember people saying he wasn't at his best. I don't think It's Visma that got worse but it's UAE that got much better.

 

[Froome]

On Galibier Roglic sure looked weaker than Almeida and Ayuso.

Yes, i agree, but in normal conditions they are better, and i think roglic is improving day by day.

 

[Froome]

Jonas would be rather stupid to cooperate only to get dropped further down into the stage.

@CyclistAbi Vingegaard did yesterday a long defensive range.

 

[Froome]

I would take Tratnik and Lemmen over van Baarle and Van Hooydonck for the mountains. Jorgenson is on par with Kuss who was getting dropped by Yates last year and the same happend to Matteo on stage 4. Van Aert is not in the best form but is he really that much worse than last year when he was waiting for the baby to be born, I remember people saying he wasn't at his best. I don't think It's Visma that got worse but it's UAE that got much better.

I also think Jorgenson will be much better then on Galibier. The crash affected him, but it was better having Kuss and Jorgenson at the same time.

 

[Medvind]

I would take Tratnik and Lemmen over van Baarle and Van Hooydonck for the mountains. Jorgenson is on par with Kuss who was getting dropped by Yates last year and the same happend to Matteo on stage 4. Van Aert is not in the best form but is he really that much worse than last year when he was waiting for the baby to be born, I remember people saying he wasn't at his best. I don't think It's Visma that got worse but it's UAE that got much better.

Hooydonck is the type of diesel you want to tire Pog out, he can go for ages. Think Jumbo LAB at first saw Jorgenson as a replacement for Hooydonck in the tour, but then he showed real GC potential and his role changed a bit. With Kuss in the team Jorgenson could have played Hooydoncks role a bit more, but not now, and that I think will be a weakness in the goal to win the tour.

 

[Froome]

Hooydonck is the type of diesel you want to tire Pog out, he can go for ages. Think Jumbo LAB at first saw Jorgenson as a replacement for Hooydonck in the tour, but then he showed real GC potential and his role changed a bit. With Kuss in the team Jorgenson could have played Hooydoncks role a bit, but not now, and that I think will be a weakness.

I think Visma saw in Jorgenson also the second climber after Kuss that Visma missed last year to make the pace even more hard in the climbs.

I remember last year on Tourmalet that they missed another climber in Tourmalet and Ramaz to make the race even more hard.

On Tourmalet they were to slow until the last 4 km, since it Van Hooydonck and Van baarle were pushing until that moment.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@CyclistAbi Vingegaard did yesterday a long defensive range.

In my opinion it was the team, Visma, that has won yesterday. A rather nice demonstration, on the importance of the team. Without such team and in my opinion Jonas would likely lose time yesterday.

 

[Medvind]

I think Visma saw in Jorgenson also the second climber after Kuss that Visma missed last year to make the pace even more hard in the climbs.

I remember last year on Tourmalet that they missed another climber in Tourmalet and Ramaz to make the race even more hard.

On Tourmalet they were to slow until the last 4 km, since it Van Hooydonck and Van baarle were pushing until that moment.

Good point, agree with this. With Jorgenson you get so much, one of the best riders this season. Too bad Kuss is not there, limits a bit how you can use Jorgenson.

 

[Froome]

In my opinion it was the team, Visma, that has won yesterday. A rather nice demonstration, on the importance of the team. Without such team and in my opinion Jonas would likely lose time yesterday.

Yes, on these type of stages, having a good team is important, but if he wants to win the Tour, he needs to be individually better than the others GC riders.

 

[Bolder]

That may prove to be a risky tactic. He himself also claims the opposite, he is looking at the entire top 10 as rivals. I understand him not riding with 70k to go. But when he was with a teammate and Pogacar, it was only 15k or so (?) so the risk was a lot smaller and he still had a teammate with him. He could have taken back time on everyone except Pogacar.

I think, and Jonas said as much, is that if they turn this into a 2 man race then it's UAE vs. Visma in the mountains, with Jonas needing to find a minute or so. That seems really risky. Now at least they'll have Landa and maybe van Wilder to cover UAE.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Yes, on these type of stages, having a good team is important, but if he wants to win the Tour, he needs to be individually better than the others GC riders.

No, not even in mountains, Jonas can't match the UAE climbing section alone over there. He would get demolished before it would even start properly. It's Visma and other teams form the peloton, doing it for their leaders, that need to take care of that. Only then, spoon feed, a leader can show some balls, as Remco and most fans would put it.

 

[Froome]

No, not even in mountains, Jonas can't match the UAE climbing section alone over there. He would get demolished before it would even start properly. It's Visma and other teams form the peloton, doing it for their leaders, that need to take care of that. Only then, spoon feed, a leader can show some balls, as Remco and most fans would put it.

The super domestiques will only matter to make the race hard. This is not sky days.

 

[CyclistAbi]

The super domestiques will only matter to make the race hard. This is not sky days.

Jonas would likely already lost this Tour edition if not for Visma. So no, i can't agree with you on this one.

 

[Froome]

Jonas would likely already lost this Tour edition if not for Visma. So no, i can't agree with you on this one.

By that logic, If Jonas pulled yesterday, Roglic would had lost yesterday the Tour. We don't know how many time he could loose.