Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Samu Cuenca]

He will appear on the Alps as the eagle who overpass one mountain and another to make the powerfull snowleopard surrender at his shadow and demand for mercy. Time of the eagle is getting close! The snowleopard will start to get tired.

But right now he's the one who's starting to look like a tired snowleopard.

 

[Salvarani]

But right now he's the one who's starting to look like a tired snowleopard.

Night King will be shattered.

 

[Taxus4a]

But right now he's the one who's starting to look like a tired snowleopard.

As Luis Leon Sanchez said on spanish public TV, he is a light rider, they flying on the flat part of this stage, who was flat mainly excepct the end and it is normal he wanst superfresh at the end. Pogacar is a more complete rider, the same Remco , with more power for an attack, and they took advantage...but in the case of Pogacar, just 2 seconds. · minutes is nothing when the eagle get 3000 metros over the sea, you can lose 10 minutes very easy. You can even lost 40 minutes as Basso on Stelvio.

I am joking, this year is very difficult, but everything still can happend and I think we will have Tour till the end

 

[RobertCrawley]

Jonas says he feels as if he's still getting better, even though today wasn't his best day. It sounds like he's ready to rumble.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813614558545686869

View: https://x.com/itvcycling/status/1813614558545686869

 

[slim charles]

So he is still basically saying 'i expected to be x minutes behind at this point so I'm happy'.

It's perfectly normal that he's still in good spirits, he is a true champion, but I am not sure I believe he's truly happy with his level (at least not in the context of winning the race - I absolutely do buy it in the context of the injuries he had)

 

[perico]

Jonas says he feels as if he's still getting better, even though today wasn't his best day. It sounds like he's ready to rumble.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813614558545686869

View: https://x.com/itvcycling/status/1813614558545686869

To be fair, he (or his team/pundits) also said how many times that the next day will suit him better than the previous one.

 

[SHAD0W93]

To be fair, he (or his team/pundits) also said how many times that the next day will suit him better than the previous one.

After stage 21, “the next day looks pretty good for me. I think we can make the race hard. I don’t even think Pogacar will show up honestly.”

 

[Samu Cuenca]

After stage 21, “the next day looks pretty good for me. I think we can make the race hard. I don’t even think Pogacar will show up honestly.”

Maybe he will be allowed to beat him in one of the post Tour criteriums, although Pogačar might still sprint too fast by accident.

 

[danielovichdk2]

I am confident Jonas keeps his head high and I am fortunate at least that he is fighting for podium. Remco did a stunning job today, he has really amazed me this tour, the lad had serious pedigree it seems. Carapaz did a lovely job but I had hoped for the break to get it. Good race

 

[jono]

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Jonas looks pretty rough climbing into the team bus.

 

[hayneplane]

Jonas says he feels as if he's still getting better, even though today wasn't his best day. It sounds like he's ready to rumble.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813614558545686869

View: https://x.com/itvcycling/status/1813614558545686869

That just sounds like bravado and saying as true simply what he wishes to be true.

This felt like Simon Yates wobble in 2018 Giro which turned into an epic collapse. With a day to ride before the Queen Stage the scenario is a little different but a mid stage brute like Bonette is very similar in feel to the role the Finestre played in that Giro.

 

[BubbaChuck]

this guy is crazy miracle,than he can do this after that injury.nothing but respect.

 

[ElDesordenado]

I'm not sure it's the preparation as much as it's a lack of faith at this point. If you're fighting for first, you're prepared to suffer a bit more. Again today he also made the mistake of sitting in front of Pogačar before the attack. Either he should stay behind him, so he can follow the attack immediately, or he should only worry about Remco.

Stage 15 was probably a shock to him. He and Visma put all the cards on the table; Jorgenson destroying the field with his crazy climbing and then Vingegaard attacking after that with his best w/kg numbers ever. As he said afterwards: "It worked the previous two years ..." So the fact that it backfired maybe left the team with little idea what to do, and it's my impression that Vingegaard was never a great improvisor - he likes to follow a plan very punctually. And this year, the plan failed (so far). I guess that's something he hasn't tried before.

 

[iBanesto]

Jonas says he feels as if he's still getting better, even though today wasn't his best day. It sounds like he's ready to rumble.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813614558545686869

View: https://x.com/itvcycling/status/1813614558545686869

• "Jonas you are 30 mins behind. How do you feel?" - Interviewer
• "The team and I are very happy to only be 30 mins back" - Vingegaard

PR overload from Visma.

Lack of foundation training caused Pogacar to crack last year in the 3rd week, the same is happening to Vingegaard.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Knowing Vismas lack of balls they will keep attacking on the last climb again & again and hope that Pogacar cracks which doesn't look like it.

But if they somehow & someway find their balls they should make the stage 19 very difficult up until Bonette and then send Vinge on a solo all the way to the finish.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

It sounds like he's ready to rumble.

That sound is probably his stomach rumbling.

 

[SHAD0W93]

That sound is probably his stomach rumbling.

That just means the stool softeners are working.

 

[Oldermanish]

Stage 15 was probably a shock to him. He and Visma put all the cards on the table; Jorgenson destroying the field with his crazy climbing and then Vingegaard attacking after that with his best w/kg numbers ever. As he said afterwards: "It worked the previous two years ..." So the fact that it backfired maybe left the team with little idea what to do, and it's my impression that Vingegaard was never a great improvisor - he likes to follow a plan very punctually. And this year, the plan failed (so far). I guess that's something he hasn't tried before.

this is the problem with a strategy based on prior training outputs that don't have a backup plan when you opponent forces you to ride that effort + 30 seconds, a minute, two minutes more than you've trained for.
You still need to train like an impulsive RACER. That takes you beyond what's expected by all and cracks the dogged and serious contender on your wheel. You may feel worse than he does but if that guy yields first and backs off; let the Fun begin. It's racing then, not Zwiftscience.
I'd prefer to see that from Remco now and Pogacar when he needs to finalize his signature on the event.

 

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Jonas looks pretty rough climbing into the team bus.

He wasn’t on the rollers after the stage and he didn’t gave any interviews. Visma’s PR person said he was to tried.

His teammates also was riding very offensively today didn’t say any energy for tomorrow.

 

[nairo_in_polka_dot]

Stage 15 was probably a shock to him. He and Visma put all the cards on the table; Jorgenson destroying the field with his crazy climbing and then Vingegaard attacking after that with his best w/kg numbers ever. As he said afterwards: "It worked the previous two years ..." So the fact that it backfired maybe left the team with little idea what to do, and it's my impression that Vingegaard was never a great improvisor - he likes to follow a plan very punctually. And this year, the plan failed (so far). I guess that's something he hasn't tried before.

yeah, but honestly what plan can you prepare versus this version of Pogacar?

 

[mariosommelier]

yeah, but honestly what plan can you prepare versus this version of Pogacar?

Just pray for a clean death

 

[ElDesordenado]

yeah, but honestly what plan can you prepare versus this version of Pogacar?

Maybe if Vingegaard hadn't had that crash in April, we'd have seen a repeat of '22 and '23. Vingegaard isn't that far off considering the preparation he's had

 

[franic]

Jonas says he feels as if he's still getting better, even though today wasn't his best day. It sounds like he's ready to rumble.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1813614558545686869

View: https://x.com/itvcycling/status/1813614558545686869

You forgot a "c": ready to crumble...

 

[RedheadDane]

For the first time ever, he'll be wearing regular team jersey going into the final weekend of the Tour.



Please note that in 2021, he was gloryfied mannequin for Pogacar.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Maybe if Vingegaard hadn't had that crash in April, we'd have seen a repeat of '22 and '23. Vingegaard isn't that far off considering the preparation he's had

The assumption that Vingo would be stronger with normal preparation is logical. However his PdB performance, considering the circumstances, was miraculous not not necessarily logical!