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Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

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Cookster15

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theyoungest said:
They just believed there was a possibility, which you have to do. And given what they knew from previous years, they thought it would come later on in the Tour, when Vingegaard normally gets better (relatively speaking) and Pogi gets worse.
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I think Visma were talking themselves into it - I suppose you have to be positive. I took that as arrogance but it was actually normal psychology. But privately at least Visma had to doubt he would get better later in the Tour because of his crash - in this forum we speculated he may weaken and this turned out to be more or less correct.

"Normally gets better" wasn't going to hold with the interruption to his prep caused by the April crash. After stage 19, Vingegaard himself said that on PdB (stage 15) Pogacar was just too strong. But after Cime de la Bonette he admitted he "wasn't as good".

I gain a lot of respect for riders who are able to respond, fight and suffer under adversity. Vingegaard was quite amazing in hindsight, he never collapsed like Pog last year and still rode a super strong final TT.
 
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Cookster15 said:
I think Visma were talking themselves into it - I suppose you have to be positive. I took that as arrogance but it was actually normal psychology. But privately at least Visma had to doubt he would get better later in the Tour because of his crash - in this forum we speculated he may weaken and this turned out to be more or less correct.

"Normally gets better" wasn't going to hold with the interruption to his prep caused by the April crash. After stage 19, Vingegaard himself said that on PdB (stage 15) Pogacar was just too strong. But after Cime de la Bonette he admitted he "wasn't as good".

I gain a lot of respect for riders who are able to respond, fight and suffer under adversity. Vingegaard was quite amazing in hindsight, he never collapsed like Pog last year and still rode a super strong final TT.
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If there was a GC stage after stage 15 instead of a rest day and flat stage, Vingegaard could have cracked as well. Vingegaard had time to come to terms mentally that he wasn’t going to win before the next GC day vs Pogacar last year.
 
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It's Jonas B. Pennywise!
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Cookster15 said:
I think Visma were talking themselves into it - I suppose you have to be positive. I took that as arrogance but it was actually normal psychology. But privately at least Visma had to doubt he would get better later in the Tour because of his crash - in this forum we speculated he may weaken and this turned out to be more or less correct.

"Normally gets better" wasn't going to hold with the interruption to his prep caused by the April crash. After stage 19, Vingegaard himself said that on PdB (stage 15) Pogacar was just too strong. But after Cime de la Bonette he admitted he "wasn't as good".

I gain a lot of respect for riders who are able to respond, fight and suffer under adversity. Vingegaard was quite amazing in hindsight, he never collapsed like Pog last year and still rode a super strong final TT.
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Patrick Broe, who I think at the time was on Visma staff, predicted Vingo was going to win the tour after the Emelia-esque stage. Not hope he would win the tour, predicted he would win the tour. Visma thought Vingo was stronger and would win. Of course the team doesn't issue statements like this, but they believed he would win the tour from a mathematical standpoint, as that is how they prepare for and race.
 
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Patrick Broe, who I think at the time was on Visma staff, predicted Vingo was going to win the tour after the Emelia-esque stage. Not hope he would win the tour, predicted he would win the tour. Visma thought Vingo was stronger and would win. Of course the team doesn't issue statements like this, but they believed he would win the tour from a mathematical standpoint, as that is how they prepare for and race.
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Yes, I still remember how in 2023 there were claims Visma had " Pogi´s numbers " which apparently were significantly less good than Vingo and therefore were feeling assured Vingo would win.
 
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Cookster15 said:
I think Visma were talking themselves into it - I suppose you have to be positive. I took that as arrogance but it was actually normal psychology. But privately at least Visma had to doubt he would get better later in the Tour because of his crash - in this forum we speculated he may weaken and this turned out to be more or less correct.

"Normally gets better" wasn't going to hold with the interruption to his prep caused by the April crash. After stage 19, Vingegaard himself said that on PdB (stage 15) Pogacar was just too strong. But after Cime de la Bonette he admitted he "wasn't as good".

I gain a lot of respect for riders who are able to respond, fight and suffer under adversity. Vingegaard was quite amazing in hindsight, he never collapsed like Pog last year and still rode a super strong final TT.
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Absolutely. I was always confused by those who saw arrogance in the pre-Tour statements about JV's condition. I mean, what else were they going to say? That he's lucky to be walking and will try to finish a stage or two?
 
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Patrick Broe, who I think at the time was on Visma staff, predicted Vingo was going to win the tour after the Emelia-esque stage. Not hope he would win the tour, predicted he would win the tour. Visma thought Vingo was stronger and would win. Of course the team doesn't issue statements like this, but they believed he would win the tour from a mathematical standpoint, as that is how they prepare for and race.
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Lanterne Rouge makes a podcast that is said to be totally independent from his work for Visma. Of course this is not entirely possible, but he can express opinions and predictions that are different from what Visma actually believe. I don't think his trainer thought Vingegaard would win the Tour at that point, for instance. And he probably knows him a bit better.

It's also easy to pick and choose from these statements, for instance ahead of the 2023 Tour TT they believed Vingegaard would lose about half a minute to Pogi, and he gained nearly two minutes :) How's that for a cocky prediction. Not everything is scientific.
 
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He is really focused. He will probably fly in March but I am wondering if he is really starting this early his season in order to target the Giro-Tour.
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He also finished his season really early. If he starts his preparation in, say, december he'd have 4 months off the bike and without knowing much about training, that's a lot(?).
Also, he probably needs to build a really strong base after the injuries.
 
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YavorD said:
He also finished his season really early. If he starts his preparation in, say, december he'd have 4 months off the bike and without knowing much about training, that's a lot(?).
Also, he probably needs to build a really strong base after the injuries.
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He started now also because he is still recovering the body he had before the crash.
 
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