Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[wheresmybrakes]

She's an evil witch. She made some stupid remarks during the Visms 1-2-3 Vuelta also that showed her true colors. It's sociopath behavior.

Evil witch is a bit harsh. Have you tried bringing up 2 kids by yourself with your partner away for weeks at a time. Yeah they may have money and friends/family around, but it isn't the same as having your partner there with you. She may be a bit pi$$ed and maybe wanting to get something from Visma, but evil witch is not very nice.

 

[Red Rick]

Can we ignore the wife and just criticize Jonas for important things such as sprinting on the hoods?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Well she is not just his wife she is his manager too. As a manager hence we can assume she demanded fully dedicated GT GC team support. Now i can't blame her for that.

On how realistic it is and what will be the results, it could backfire, publicly stating you are not pleased with the selection, as manager. We'll see.

 

[theyoungest]

As for Jonas mental health, everyone has known for a long time he has issues.

He has had issues with nerves. He's also just an introverted person. I wouldn't call those mental health issues. Puking in the bus before his first race for Visma, taking the leader's jersey in the Tour of Poland and then losing it the next day due to pure nerves. Visma putting him in the Settimana Coppi e Bartali just to learn how to lead a team. He wasn't made to be a Tour de France winner, let's put it that way.

He's learned to deal with that though, and credits his wife for a lot of the mental switch he made. That's why you see him on the phone to his wife after every stage. And that's also why I really don't understand why his wife of all people would try to disrupt his mental balance during his most important target of the year.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

As for Jonas mental health, everyone has known for a long time he has issues.

Issues? It is a strong word. Jonas' mentality was his weaker side at the start of his career but he's become tougher. Last year, on comeback from his hard crash, he was tested by Pogacar on downhills early at the Tour (San Luca & Galibier) and he rode very well, didn't seem to hold back. It takes significant mental effort to overcome the fear and he did it.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I very much doubt he has any sayings of whats going on at home. Completely and utterly tonedeaf by Trine - both the content and and the timing. Absolutely ridicolous and completely disrespectful to Van Aert. Extremely bad mannered.

The stuff about carpentry? Absurd.

The stuff about altitude camps? She doesn't have a single clue whats going on in order to win the Tour de France.

This is a guy that BARELY raced from August 2024-June 2025, and this is what she comes up with? That his workload is too high?

Mental freaking stuff. I like Jonas, but is wife? My god, what a nutcase.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So we have to assume Jonas is a good carpenter. Any work he did on display? A cabinet for trophies?

As for dissing his wife, too much, lets not.

 

[Rackham]

I very much doubt he has any sayings of whats going on at home. Completely and utterly tonedeaf by Trine - both the content and and the timing. Absolutely ridicolous and completely disrespectful to Van Aert. Extremely bad mannered.

The stuff about carpentry? Absurd.

The stuff about altitude camps? She doesn't have a single clue whats going on in order to win the Tour de France.

This is a guy that BARELY raced from August 2024-June 2025, and this is what she comes up with? That his workload is too high?

Mental freaking stuff. I like Jonas, but is wife? My god, what a nutcase.

Pretty much. As a wife she's totally allowed to go full Michelle Froome and cause some drama. It's all part of the show.

But as his manager? Nah. It's extremely poor form.

As for dissing his wife, too much, lets not.

I always feel like this angle gets overdone, i.e. she does the interview, it's in the pres... and then what? People just have to step back and go "oh no, it's the wife... I can't say anything!". I mean it's a bit like that South Park episode in which Meghan Markle goes on a worldwide privacy tour.

Privacy starts by not washing dirty linen in public - especially a few weeks before the Tour (which is when the interview was conducted).

So IMO any storm they cause here was totally earned.

 

[Rob5091]

It seems from what I've read that Vingegaard is somewhere on the autism spectrum, which is not unusual from what I've read about top sports people. It's a 24/7 year round dedication to one thing that demands "single mindedness". (see https://www.wielerflits.be/nieuws/j...ent-zegt-zijn-trainer-bij-visma-lease-a-bike/ as example) Visma sent him to an "academy", they called it, to help him and he had a teammate/"babysitter" to make sure he ate breakfast etc, so it was n't just nerves. That's without the help that his wife does.

This has nothing to do with his personality, just the way he does things.

Trine's timing with these interviews is something she should have thought about. It would have been better to talk directly to Visma about her worries rather then go public (or at least wait until the Tour is over).

 

[Rob5091]

And that's also why I really don't understand why his wife of all people would try to disrupt his mental balance during his most important target of the year.

This is the big question.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Rackham

It depend, that is if nobody says anything, we assume and lets be honest a bit of meat on the bone tastes better.

So all in all saying you want a dedicated GT GC team, i can't blame on that, carpentry is something i would likely enjoy watching Jonas on YouTube, his nature, build and stamina, working on a piece of wood, staining it or using some natural oils ... it just feels so natural and i like this new revealed side of him. Or do you reckon it would be more about taking a hammer and getting the nail in? Revelation that end of career is possibly nearer then we thought, shows the fragile nature of this sport beautifully.

The mob now questioning mental state of things, the irony.

 

[Rackham]

@Rackham

It depend, that is if nobody says anything, we assume and lets be honest a bit of meat on the bone tastes better.

So all in all saying you want a dedicated GT GC team, i can't blame on that, carpentry is something i would likely enjoy watching Jonas on YouTube, his nature, build and stamina, working on a piece of wood, staining it or using some natural oils ... it just feels so natural and i like this new revealed side of him. Or do you reckon it would be more about taking a hammer and getting the nail in? Revelation that end of career is possibly nearer then we thought, shows the fragile nature of this sport beautifully.

The mob now questioning mental state of things, the irony.

Consider it this way: if anyone's manager does a long interview a few weeks before the Tour in which he states his client is overworked by his team (despite taking the previous season off from August onwards), should be at home doing carpentry with his wife more in the name of 'equality' & should have a team dedicated to his personal glory without secondary objectives... people would absolutely roast him for breakfast, lunch, dinner and supper. Coming back for seconds and more all night long.

Well... that's what happened. With the twist being Vinge's manager is also his wife.

As for the visual you painted of Vingegaard hammering nails into floorboards... lol. I mean it's funny but if we're being serious for a second he's paid millions to ride a bike professionally. There's a certain point where minimum professionalism involves recognizing the fact his body and legs are pretty much what Visma are paying him for.

 

[theyoungest]

Mental freaking stuff. I like Jonas, but is wife? My god, what a nutcase.

Easy now.

 

[ppanther92]

Jonas wife is right. If Visma doesn't dedicate themselves fully for Jonas then he could potentially go empty handed with 0 grand tours in 2 seasons. If Visma let's other riders chase their own ambitions that means they think Vingegaard is inferior to Pogacar.

We haven't forgotten the clown show of Wout when he lost a 3 vs 1 to Powless. He has had plenty of chances to 'chase ambitions' in the spring but he failed, now it's time to solely work for Jonas.

But thats not even up for discussion - even last year after the crash and doubtful if he makes it in time, they brought a fully committed team. This year, there is not even a question. So I don't quite get what her point is?

Even more so, when the two years where there was some sort of co-lead, worked out perfectly for Jonas (WvA for Green and Roglic attacking Pogacar).

E: thats kind of like marching into a restaurant kitchen, pointing at the chef who is already plating your meal, and demanding “Make sure you cook my food!”

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Just because you're not racing, it doesn't mean you can be working in the kitchen all day. He's not a chef, and there's probably also some clause in his contract that mandates that he should never use a sharp spoon.

 

[theyoungest]

But thats not even up for discussion - even last year after the crash and doubtful if he makes it in time, they brought a fully committed team. This year, there is not even a question. So I don't quite get what her point is?

Even more so, when the two years where there was some sort of co-lead, worked out perfectly for Jonas (WvA for Green and Roglic attacking Pogacar).

She has a point insofar as this obsession they have with "Wout van Aert must have his chances" even caused Jorgenson to be confused yesterday whether to attack or not... I mean, everyone knew Van Aert wasn't going to win yesterday. Even if he was still in that group. Everyone is equal but Van Aert is more equal than others, that's definitely an issue on that team and one they need to get rid of. He's good but not that good.

But as Vingegaard's wife I wouldn't be want to be the one publicly making that point.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Rackham

In all honesty i did sense they might be pushing it over the top, even before the article. To me hence this isn't really news. As for husband/wife and how to tackle that, if anybody ever comes up with a sensible solution, please share. Then again why would you want to fix it. Sterile environments aren't healthy either physically or mentally.

So in the end it's life. I would recommend it.

 

[Rackham]

She has a point insofar as this obsession they have with "Wout van Aert must have his chances" even caused Jorgenson to be confused yesterday whether to attack or not... I mean, everyone knew Van Aert wasn't going to win yesterday. Even if he was still in that group. Everyone is equal but Van Aert is more equal than others, that's definitely an issue on that team and one they need to get rid of. He's good but not that good.

But as Vingegaard's wife I wouldn't be want to be the one publicly making that point.

It's the human factor. Van Aert is the culture bearer at Visma now. Clearly. That's just the way they are.

And coming from the same team that put Greonewegen into the 2019 TdF and Dumoulin as co-leader with Rog in 2020, I really, really don't see how on earth there can be any complaints from Vingegaard's camp. Notwithstanding of course how he's already benefitted from WvA in the past (2022 and 23 namely) and Rog as co-leader in 2022 with the famous Granon Pog massacre.

Getting a dedicated team of seven top riders to ride exclusively for one man is the single hardest thing in cycling. Vingegaard has as close to that set-up right now as humanely possible.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Getting a dedicated team of seven top riders to ride exclusively for one man is the single hardest thing in cycling. Vingegaard has as close to that set-up right now as humanely possible.

I would say six and a half. The rest of course is true.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So Florian, Giulio ... vs Wout, Matteo, Sepp ... vs Almeida, Ayuso ...

Which GT GC leader leaves the most stardust collecting on other team members? When it comes to Visma note that some was accumulated in the past. I left out Landa, due to all of it collected in the past.

 

[Rackham]

I would say six and a half. The rest of course is true.

It could be seven Ineos, or Red Bull or any other riders on a team not called Visma or UAE and they'd all be worse than what he's got at Visma.

That's the point here, i.e. what's his manager even asking for? Of course he could go elsewhere with seven dedicated teammates. And of course they'd be way worse than the absolute beasts he rides with in this TdF.

That's the thing as well, i.e. Visma is a really well oiled TdF machine now and they know their craft. That wasn't always the case but now (I mean just look at how aggressive and efficient they've been so far)? There better than UAE IMO.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Rackham

Of course, teams like RBH and SOQ are amateurs in this regards.

Although and said that Germany would like for RBH to cut Rogla and for Florian to lead the Tour and i assume Italy would like for RBH to cut Rogla and for Giulio to lead the Giro. Some of Remco fans would like for RBH to cut Rogla but don't know yet if they want for Remco to ride for RBH. So i guess it's not all bad, RBH is doing something right, building up, reserves left.

 

[OJRvE]

Wout is still doing better work than an alternative would while sometimes pursuing his own chances. Picking him and demanding him doing 100% domestique duties would not be an option as he probably would refuse and also leave the team.

 

[Danskebjerge]

Honestly, I'd rather have one GC contender per team and more teams with GC contenders. But I realize that this a fantasy.

The multiple attack method is unlikely to be used as efficiently if it's different teams.

 

[Peyroteo94]

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