Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Netserk]

Skuffet Mørkøv forklarer VM-afbud

Michael Mørkøv er skuffet over, at Danmark ikke kan stille hold til VM i enkeltstart og forklarer beslutningen til Feltet

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- Jeg har ikke nogen ryttere, med top-20 potentiale, der troede på, de kunne køre en god enkeltstart til VM.

- Flere af de ryttere, der var interessante at få med til sådan en enkeltstart, har ikke kunnet få det til at gå op med deres løbsprogram: Enten kører de Vueltaen, der slutter ugen før (14. september), og en stor del kører også Luxembourg Rundt, der slutter den dag, der er enkeltstart (21. september).

- I don't have any riders with top-20 potential who believed they could do a good time trial at the World Championships.

- Several of the riders who were interesting to get for such a time trial have not been able to make it work with their race program: Either they are doing the Vuelta, which ends the week before (September 14), and a large number are also doing the Tour of Luxembourg, which ends on the day of the time trial (September 21).

 

[Valv.Piti]

Disappointing that he doesnt race the ITT. Higher chances of a medal than in the RR. Would not be surprised if he just calls it a season after the Vuelta, that guy doesnt care about the national team

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I never thought he was going to do the time trial, so I won't yet rule out that he rides the road race.
I didn't believe he would actually ride the Vuelta, so who knows what will happen?

I also think the federation is happy to cut costs, so I'm not sure the riders were encouraged to participate in the ITT to begin with.

 

[Netserk]

Disappointing that he doesnt race the ITT. Higher chances of a medal than in the RR. Would not be surprised if he just calls it a season after the Vuelta, that guy doesnt care about the national team

I'm also disappointed, but I had also forgotten that the ITT was only 7 days after the Vuelta.

He is certain to ride the RR if not injured.

 

[Netserk]

I didn't believe he would actually ride the Vuelta, so who knows what will happen?

I think that is crazy. He has been as clear as he possibly could be that he'd ride the Vuelta this year. Time and time again.

 

[Oldman]

Considering no Pogi (or Rogla and Remco) Jonas ought to put 2 minutes in everybody on anything remotely resembling a climb?

Being the designated favorite doesn't make things as easy as you'd think. In that scenario too many good climbers have nothing to lose. Jonas will still rely on Mateo and maybe Kuss. Those guys only had to focus on hurting Tadej the last go around.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I never thought he was going to do the time trial, so I won't yet rule out that he rides the road race.
I didn't believe he would actually ride the Vuelta, so who knows what will happen?

I also think the federation is happy to cut costs, so I'm not sure the riders were encouraged to participate in the ITT to begin with.

If Jonas wanted to ride, he'd ride. You don't discourage Jonas to ride if he wants as he's a serious podium threat and is LITERALLY never suiting up outside of this year lol. That would be the definiation of shooting yourself in the foot

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I think that is crazy. He has been as clear as he possibly could be that he'd ride the Vuelta this year. Time and time again.

Obviously he can't be held responsible for his wife's actions, but her comments before the Tour definitely still made it seem less likely to me that he was gonna be at the Vuelta. We are dealing with a team and rider who don't seem to want to ride races unless they either think he can win or the sponsors are pushing them (there is nothing wrong with that approach, but it probably doesn't earn them more fans. I know it could have been different without the crashes, of course). Maybe that's not how everyone sees it, but Valv.Piti and I seem to be in agreement on that.

If Jonas wanted to ride, he'd ride. You don't discourage Jonas to ride if he wants as he's a serious podium threat and is LITERALLY never suiting up outside of this year lol. That would be the definiation of shooting yourself in the foot

Sure, but again he doesn't come across as someone who would really be excited to ride a championship ITT.

 

[Oldman]

Kuss didn't deliver, Jorgenson didn't deliver, S.Yates didn't deliver let alone Wout, these are his main soldiers and they didn't do what was expected from them. If I'm Jonas I'm going straight to Niermann and tell him I want domestiques in peak shape for the Tour or else what's the point of riding for Visma, I can get 2nd place in Tour riding for any team in the world.

Niermann and his crew strategized what Jonas achieved. It's doubtful he would've beaten Pogacar in any other scenario. It's debatable if he would've finished 2nd without what help he did get.
As for your analysis as to who delivered; Jorgenson was there from stage 1 to 8 continually until he got sick; mostly because he was brutally over-used.
Then he basically set Wout up for the win in stage 21 while Jonas took the PR ride because his GC podium step wasn't in jeopardy. That must've sent the message to Wout. Or not.

 

[pelotonIQ]

Niermann and his crew strategized what Jonas achieved. It's doubtful he would've beaten Pogacar in any other scenario. It's debatable if he would've finished 2nd without what help he did get.
As for your analysis as to who delivered; Jorgenson was there from stage 1 to 8 continually until he got sick; mostly because he was brutally over-used.
Then he basically set Wout up for the win in stage 21 while Jonas took the PR ride because his GC podium step wasn't in jeopardy. That must've sent the message to Wout. Or not.

It's about the principle of giving the leader domestiques in peak shape.

 

[Oldman]

It's about the principle of giving the leader domestiques in peak shape.

Hadn't several guys on JV drop from the roster due to injuries and illness?
I mean; they had Matteo and others at camp for weeks before the Tour. Management definitely should take the responsibility for providing healthy support. Jorgenson was, as I've repeatedly posted, completely overused for the first stages pursuing a fairly supportive strategy for Tadej. That came at the expense of Jonas later in the Tour but even he would have to admit he wasn't going to beat him.
Saying the "riders didn't deliver" is assuming there was substance to the delivery. IMO it's difficult to fault them and totally appropriate to question how they were used.

 

[Netserk]

What a massive letdown. Who cares about the European road race ...

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[Boehmand]

Vingegaard announced today that he has elected to not ride Worlds for Denmark (on a route that suits him perfectly).

F... this dude and the fish he rode in on

 

[Monsi]

Vingegaard announced today that he has elected to not ride Worlds for Denmark (on a route that suits him perfectly).

F... this dude and the fish he rode in on

I wouldn't say this Worlds route suits him perfectly but I swear if he skips Worlds 2027....

 

[tobydawq]

Pathetic.

And he will not even ride Il Lombardia, either.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

F... this dude and the fish he rode in on

It appears it wasn't a fish called Rwanda.

For now I won't keep my hopes up that he actually rides the EC either.

 

[YavorD]

That's ridiculous.
I get that it's not perfect with the Vuelta before the WC, but why announce you'll ride a week ago on a first place then?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Interesting decision.

 

[RedheadDane]

It appears that, unlike last year, it was a decision he made in agreement with Mørkøv.
(Well, obviously Mørkøv wasn't involved last year, but... you know what I mean...)

I just don't get the drama about it. Pretty sure there's no rule stating that a rider must ride the World Championship at some point in their career. So what if he ends up never racing it? He's a stage racer...

 

[Cycling111]

I don't think he'll go to the European Championship either.

He has a worse career with the national team than Froome. At least Froome was there, even though he had six DNFs

Someday I would like to see Vingegaard in a race without an earpiece and the chaos that is a World Cup. One race outside Visma.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Maybe he should consider joining Bora-RB for next season. Together with Lipowitz, Roglic and Evenepoel, they could try to crack Pogacar

Do they have room for 4 on the podium in the Vuelta?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Do they have room for 4 on the podium in the Vuelta?

There is always room, nonetheless riders bring their kids up there too.

 

[Netserk]

It appears that, unlike last year, it was a decision he made in agreement with Mørkøv.
(Well, obviously Mørkøv wasn't involved last year, but... you know what I mean...)

I just don't get the drama about it. Pretty sure there's no rule stating that a rider must ride the World Championship at some point in their career. So what if he ends up never racing it? He's a stage race...

I would be a whole lot less disappointed if he throughout the year had said that it'd be difficult to combine with the Vuelta.

Dauphiné+Tour+Vuelta is already a long peak to maintain. But he already knew that'd be his schedule when he aired some ambition to also ride the Worlds this year.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Disappointing that he doesnt race the ITT. Higher chances of a medal than in the RR. Would not be surprised if he just calls it a season after the Vuelta, that guy doesnt care about the national team

Ah yes, no RR either. Weak and disappointing as usual when it comes to suiting up for the national team. But I lied, he aint calling it just yet - cause he's racing the European Champs, a race that nobody cares about!.... but he will probably skip that as well citing fatigue and call it a eason mid September.

Good grief this guy. I wonder how much this is Trine being in his ears, how much it Jumbo and how much its himself. I tend to believe Trine is the one pulling the strings here.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Clashed with bathroom renovations, maybe in 2026 if the domestic schedule allows