Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Peter von]

I think it still wasn't Vinge at his best unless Gall is becoming a new climbing monster (he might). Yesterday's alien performance had some effect.

Yeah less than 3 mins deficit, most would assume vingegaard would eat that fast unless pogi was in his wheel and they started racing tactically.
And Jonas didn’t even finish 2nd.

Still went pretty effing fast tho.

 

[YavorD]

Froome did his first Tour and Vuelta combo after winning the Tour in 2015 though he DNS stage 12 after being 15th due to a crash causing a broken foot. So plenty of time for Vinge to start this year.

Froome did his first Tour-Vuelta combo in 2012. Practically cally, the only year Froome didn't try a double was 2013*.

*Yep, he crashed in 2014 but I have no doubt he'd start Vuelta anyway.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Froome did his first Tour-Vuelta combo in 2012. Practically cally, the only year Froome didn't try a double was 2013*.

*Yep, he crashed in 2014 but I have no doubt he'd start Vuelta anyway.

Yes but I was replying to what @Netserk posted in regard to when Froome actually started winning the Tour and then doing the Vuelta after that win.

 

[YavorD]

Yes but I was replying to what @Netserk posted in regard to when Froome actually started winning the Tour and then doing the Vuelta after that win.

Yes, but still Froome did the Vuelta after his second Tour win. I see no reason for Vingegaard not to ride the Vuelta. He isn't going to the WC, doesn't seem to have aspirations in the Italian classics, so trying a double is the only thing that make sense. No pressure, just see how it goes..

Okay, Roglic may be a reason for Vingegaard not to start

 

[Peter von]

Okay, Roglic may be a reason for Vingegaard not to start

Yeah big *** move to steal Rogi's captaincy in La Vuelta.

But I don't know man, Vingegaard is allowed to be gassed out after this Tour, looking at the gaps now it looks like an easy win, but no such thing as an easy win over Pogi.

 

[Netserk]

Yes, but still Froome did the Vuelta after his second Tour win. I see no reason for Vingegaard not to ride the Vuelta. He isn't going to the WC, doesn't seem to have aspirations in the Italian classics, so trying a double is the only thing that make sense. No pressure, just see how it goes..

Okay, Roglic may be a reason for Vingegaard not to start

He should start this year already if he is fresh enough. He’s been flying since Dauphiné, so maybe he needs some rest. As for Rogla, I think the goal should be to support him, and then if it’s possible to finish 1-2.

 

[Red Rick]

He should start this year already if he is fresh enough. He’s been flying since Dauphiné, so maybe he needs some rest. As for Rogla, I think the goal should be to support him, and then if it’s possible to finish 1-2.

Also trial run for Giro/Tour

 

[theyoungest]

Yeah less than 3 mins deficit, most would assume vingegaard would eat that fast unless pogi was in his wheel and they started racing tactically.
And Jonas didn’t even finish 2nd.

Still went pretty effing fast tho.

He didn't go exceptionally fast if you compare him to Gall. He did take 2 minutes on Adam Yates, the closest finisher from the favourites group. On Granon the closest finisher was Quintana at "just" a minute. So it depends on how you look at it.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Yes, but still Froome did the Vuelta after his second Tour win. I see no reason for Vingegaard not to ride the Vuelta. He isn't going to the WC, doesn't seem to have aspirations in the Italian classics, so trying a double is the only thing that make sense. No pressure, just see how it goes..

Okay, Roglic may be a reason for Vingegaard not to start

Yes, which is what I meant when I said Froome did the Vuelta in 2015 after winning the Tour which was his second. Netserk had said Froome did it after his third Tour win.

 

[Red Rick]

He didn't go exceptionally fast if you compare him to Gall. He did take 2 minutes on Adam Yates, the closest finisher from the favourites group. On Granon the closest finisher was Quintana at "just" a minute. So it depends on how you look at it.

Granon was definitely more impressive because Vingegaard had put much more effort into the race on Telegraphe and Galibier than Quintana, Bardet and the likes. He took basically 1'40 on Quintana in the last 5 km, doing stupid W/kg for the final 15 minutes of Granon.

 

[theyoungest]

Granon was definitely more impressive because Vingegaard had put much more effort into the race on Telegraphe and Galibier than Quintana, Bardet and the likes. He took basically 1'40 on Quintana in the last 5 km, doing stupid W/kg for the final 15 minutes of Granon.

If you compare it to Geraint Thomas, who was in the little "breakaway" on the Telegraphe, yesterday's gap was still bigger. I definitely think Vingegaard had more grinta on Granon, but for someone who didn't really have to anymore he did create quite a big gap yesterday.

 

[Trofonios]

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily
According to ammattipyöräily (@ammattipyoraily)

COL DE LA LOZE (last 7.00 km, 9.37 %, 656 m)

22:04 | Vingegaard
23:16 | Gall
23:37 | S.Yates
24:06 | A.Yates
24:42 | Bilbao, Gaudu
24:55 | Hindley
25:10 | Carlos Rodriguez
25:15 | Harper
25:22 | T.Johannessen
25:45 | Kuss
25:55 | Pinot
26:42 | Soler, Pogacar

Seems to me like Vinge was on a good day. 2 minutes to A Yates in 7k!
Gall really impressive.

 

[Netserk]

Yes, which is what I meant when I said Froome did the Vuelta in 2015 after winning the Tour which was his second. Netserk had said Froome did it after his third Tour win.

I did not.

Froome rode the Vuelta after his last 3 Tour victories

His last 3 Tour wins were 2015-2017. After each of them he rode the Vuelta.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I did not.

His last 3 Tour wins were 2015-2017. After each of them he rode the Vuelta.

Oh, I misinterpreted as saying after he won his third Tour.

 

[Andy schleck]

Granon was definitely more impressive because Vingegaard had put much more effort into the race on Telegraphe and Galibier than Quintana, Bardet and the likes. He took basically 1'40 on Quintana in the last 5 km, doing stupid W/kg for the final 15 minutes of Granon.

In contrast, yesterday, the stage was also hard. They spent 4.139 Kilojoules during 4 hours before col de la loze, there was 5400 vertical meters, and it was in the third week. Granon was in the beginning of the second week.

 

[houtdffan]

Yeah big *** move to steal Rogi's captaincy in La Vuelta.

But I don't know man, Vingegaard is allowed to be gassed out after this Tour, looking at the gaps now it looks like an easy win, but no such thing as an easy win over Pogi.

Vingegaard is the team leader. If he wants to challenge Remco at la Vuelta, that should be his choice. Not a *** move for wanting a double over Rog's double

 

[Rackham]

Vingegaard is the team leader. If he wants to challenge Remco at la Vuelta, that should be his choice. Not a *** move for wanting a double over Rog's double

It really would be a d*ck move, especially considering Roglič asked the team if he could ride the Tour after the Giro & they said no.

But whatever, that's just my opinion & anything is possible. I normally really wouldn't expect Vingegaard to go the Vuelta but I have no idea what his ambitions are.

Last year he switched off after the Tour.

 

[Andy schleck]

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily
According to ammattipyöräily (@ammattipyoraily)

COL DE LA LOZE (last 7.00 km, 9.37 %, 656 m)

22:04 | Vingegaard
23:16 | Gall
23:37 | S.Yates
24:06 | A.Yates
24:42 | Bilbao, Gaudu
24:55 | Hindley
25:10 | Carlos Rodriguez
25:15 | Harper
25:22 | T.Johannessen
25:45 | Kuss
25:55 | Pinot
26:42 | Soler, Pogacar

Seems to me like Vinge was on a good day. 2 minutes to A Yates in 7k!
Gall really impressive.

Don't forget about the motos. We still would need to take 15/20 seconds to that time.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Vingegaard is the team leader. If he wants to challenge Remco at la Vuelta, that should be his choice. Not a *** move for wanting a double over Rog's double

Vinge will officially go as Rogla's superdom. During one stage he will accelerate a bit more not believing what his computer shows and saying the radio isn't working.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily
According to ammattipyöräily (@ammattipyoraily)

COL DE LA LOZE (last 7.00 km, 9.37 %, 656 m)

22:04 | Vingegaard
23:16 | Gall
23:37 | S.Yates
24:06 | A.Yates
24:42 | Bilbao, Gaudu
24:55 | Hindley
25:10 | Carlos Rodriguez
25:15 | Harper
25:22 | T.Johannessen
25:45 | Kuss
25:55 | Pinot
26:42 | Soler, Pogacar

Seems to me like Vinge was on a good day. 2 minutes to A Yates in 7k!
Gall really impressive.

Jai Hindley is closer to Marc Soler and Pogačar‘s corpse than Vingegaard climbingwise.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

He must do the TT of his life otherwise he is screwed

And he did

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

He should start this year already if he is fresh enough. He’s been flying since Dauphiné, so maybe he needs some rest. As for Rogla, I think the goal should be to support him, and then if it’s possible to finish 1-2.

Agree that Jonas still should have something left in tank in a role as a superdom for Roglic during this year's Vuelta.

 

[theyoungest]

It really would be a d*ck move, especially considering Roglič asked the team if he could ride the Tour after the Giro & they said no.

But whatever, that's just my opinion & anything is possible. I normally really wouldn't expect Vingegaard to go the Vuelta but I have no idea what his ambitions are.

Last year he switched off after the Tour.

Don't turn Roglic into such a victim all the time! He's a grown up man who earns millions every year doing the thing that he loves.

If Vingegaard does the Vuelta (I doubt he will, but if) we don't even know what his role will be. Maybe a super dom, maybe it'll be a test run for a possible co-captaincy in the Tour next year.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

https://twitter.com/ammattipyoraily
According to ammattipyöräily (@ammattipyoraily)

COL DE LA LOZE (last 7.00 km, 9.37 %, 656 m)

22:04 | Vingegaard
23:16 | Gall
23:37 | S.Yates
24:06 | A.Yates
24:42 | Bilbao, Gaudu
24:55 | Hindley
25:10 | Carlos Rodriguez
25:15 | Harper
25:22 | T.Johannessen
25:45 | Kuss
25:55 | Pinot
26:42 | Soler, Pogacar

Seems to me like Vinge was on a good day. 2 minutes to A Yates in 7k!
Gall really impressive.

Yes, Gall very impressive taking into account he had been out there all day. Such a deserved stage win!

 

[theyoungest]

Yes, Gall very impressive taking into account he had been out there all day. Such a deserved stage win!

That doesn't really matter, just like it didn't matter for Hindley when he won the stage. They didn't do any work in the break, so the effort in the peloton and in the break was more or less the same.