Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Netserk]

Well, at least one rider delivers on the team. Maybe Belgians won’t demand him to pull for Van Aert again.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Well, at least one rider delivers on the team. Maybe Belgians won’t demand him to pull for Van Aert again.

Nah, that’ll still happen, since Belgian media are a bunch of clowns.

 

[theyoungest]

What a performance by boring non-attacker Vingegaard. The team tactic actually didn't help him that much, of course Kuss was a great help and Van Aert for a bit as well, but the people who said that he could only win the Tour thanks to his team can stay quiet for a bit now.

 

[Tim Cahill]

I'd like to revise my opinion, he should've chased Lafay for Van Aert, it wouldn't've made a difference today.

 

[Gigs_98]

Whats the over/under on Vingegaard career TdF wins?

 

[Andy schleck]

Vingegaard!!!!!!!!! Monster!

 

[Netserk]

Whats the over/under on Vingegaard career TdF wins?

4.5. *** happens, he could have a crash like Froome’s or Bernal’s.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

4.5. *** happens, he could have a crash like Froome’s or Bernal’s.

That would be my guess as well. Seems likely he'll get another 2 before someone can realistically catch up.

I've watched this sport for 20+ years and have been convinced numerous times another LA 7-year domination event was about to unfold. Preparation, injuries, and the arrival of a new generation of superstars tend to halt hegemonies much quicker than what people want to think while seeing domination unfold.

The year is 2026 and Ayuso is the "obvious" winner of the next 5 tours

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Fishminator strikes again! He made a statement today. The race is still long but it's hard to look past him when it comes to the GC victory.

 

[Nick2413]

4.5. *** happens, he could have a crash like Froome’s or Bernal’s.

That would be my guess as well. Seems likely he'll get another 2 before someone can realistically catch up.

I've watched this sport for 20+ years and have been convinced numerous times another LA 7-year domination event was about to unfold. Preparation, injuries, and the arrival of a new generation of superstars tend to halt hegemonies much quicker than what people want to think while seeing domination unfold.

The year is 2026 and Ayuso is the "obvious" winner of the next 5 tours

I think 3.5 is already too much. Career arcs that used to unfold over a decade plus are done in a few years now, not even counting the obvious luck, crashes etc.

Ayuso or someone we’ve barely even heard of will be favorite within a couple years, and crashes/illness will wipe out at least a third of all attempts. Would be happy to be proven wrong but this sport feels more like a carousel these days.

 

[Andy schleck]

Fishminator strikes again! He made a statement today. The race is still long but it's hard to look past him when it comes to the GC victory.

We talked a lot in the past about the skills of pogacar and vingegaard.
I must confess that i didn't expected that vingegaard dropped pogacar today on a 20 min climb.

 

[Skalman]

Easy win, one attack was enough to win TdF

 

[Põhja Konn]

3 I think is the minimum, but maybe also a maximum. Lets say he wins this year and then defends it again next year. Motivational issues may start to play a role, whether he really wants to do the same schedule and routine for fourth or fifth or sixth year in a row. Does he really want to be the Tour-only guy for his entire career or will he want to widen his legacy eventually with other GT-s and maybe doubles.?

Although he has no outstanding weakness, his main weapon is still his climbing and these kind of riders rarely turn out consistently dominating enough to rack up 4-5 Tour wins in row. If his main weapon gets blunted, it is really difficult for him to win in a different way. Pogacar who is even more well rounded as a rider and looked completely dominant and unbeatable up until last years Tour, is now staring at the second consecutive Tour defeat, just shows how quickly things can change.

 

[Jagartrott]

Well, at least one rider delivers on the team. Maybe Belgians won’t demand him to pull for Van Aert again.

What are you talking about? He clearly showed today that he can do a great sprint lead-out.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

What are you talking about? He clearly showed today that he can do a great sprint lead-out.

Now that the Tour is over he‘ll hopefully have some time for leadouts.

 

[Ripper]

Fishminator strikes again! He made a statement today. The race is still long but it's hard to look past him when it comes to the GC victory.

There's a bit of blood in the water now, isn't there? Tomorrow will be critical ... with a MTF, if Pogo shows any weakness, Bingo will drill it. Of course, the tables could also turn.

Depends of if today was just a bad day, or if Pogo is just weaker this year.

 

[KZD]

Biggest Grand Tour talent since Contador.

Despite being a Pogačar fan, I have to admit that in these specific races, Vingegård is better.

 

[Andy schleck]

Biggest Grand Tour talent since Contador.

Despite being a Pogačar fan, I have to admit that in these specific races, Vingegård is better.

For me, he is the best climber in terms of pure power since pantani.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

We talked a lot in the past about the skills of pogacar and vingegaard.
I must confess that i didn't expected that vingegaard dropped pogacar today on a 20 min climb.

Agreed. I actually expected he could attack but thought Pog would stick to his wheel. He can actually be even stronger than last year and ridiculous performances are still ahead.

Sorry Contador fans, Froome fans (are there any?), Lance ex-fans, Pogacar fans (oh wait...) but Skeletor in on his way to become the best climber of the century.

 

[Escarabajo]

For me, he is the best climber in terms of pure power since pantani.

We have to see it on Alpe D'Huez next year! imagine 35 minutes!!!

 

[DNP-Old]

Someone like Contador was racing in an era when it was still amateur hour when it came to collective professionalism in areas like training, material and food. Freire won Sanremo on just 2 gels, do you know how insane that is? It is impossible to compare these things.

 

[Andy schleck]

Agreed. I actually expected he could attack but thought Pog would stick to his wheel. He can actually be even stronger than last year and ridiculous performances are still ahead.

Sorry Contador fans, Froome fans (are there any?), Lance ex-fans, Pogacar fans (oh wait...) but Skeletor in on his way to become the best climber of the century.

I am also a froome fan, but vingegaard is really a better climber.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Agreed. I actually expected he could attack but thought Pog would stick to his wheel. He can actually be even stronger than last year and ridiculous performances are still ahead.

Sorry Contador fans, Froome fans (are there any?), Lance ex-fans, Pogacar fans (oh wait...) but Skeletor in on his way to become the best climber of the century.

Per Lantern Rouge, there was a tailwind on the climb. I'm assuming they factored that into the power calculations. Here is what they say:

• Vingegaard's best climbing performance in a GT of all time
• Very close to Contador in Verbier, but not quite on that level
• Not quite on the level of Roglic and Remco on Lo Port, but this was obviously in tougher context

Jonas Vingegaard Skyrockets on Marie Blanque | Tour de France 2023 Stage 5 - Lanterne Rouge

Jonas Vingegaard annihilated his competition on the steep gradienst of the Marie Blanque climb, putting over a minute into his closest rival before the race, Tadej Pogačar. Jai Hindley won the stage from the breakaway and earnt the leader's jersey, with a masterclass from Bora-Hansgrohe.

lanternerouge.com

 

[CyclistAbi]

Great performance on stage 5. Will be interesting to see if this was peak or if Jonas will be able to sustain such level through the Tour.

 

[Bolder]

Biggest Grand Tour talent since Contador.

Despite being a Pogačar fan, I have to admit that in these specific races, Vingegård is better.

It might be too early to crown him king but today was impressive. We were saying the exact same thing 2 years ago about Pogacar.