Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Red Rick]

I do think with the Vuelta they aren't treating it as a big season goal. So the primary focus for Vingegaard now is to not burn out, which might result in him being under cooked going into the Vuelta. But they see it as a gamble worth taking, because if he leaves the Vuelta absolutely drained that can have a negative effect on his Winter training.
Undercooked Vingegaard can win the Vuelta(not necessarily this edition specifically) or at least get a decent result, whereas undercooked Vingegaard in Lombardia get's 14th or 16th.

With these types of interviews I'm really starting to think they overraced Roglic in 2021 and he had a bad winter going into 2022.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Thats an interview from 2022, so we cannot really use that. Vingegaard was probably not doing too much whole of August I'd assume, this year will be very different.

 

[Peter von]

Thats an interview from 2022, so we cannot really use that. Vingegaard was probably not doing too much whole of August I'd assume, this year will be very different.

sorry, my bad!

looked at the date, but clearly not the year.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

There's a recent article from Ekstra Bladet in which Heemskerk says pretty much the same thing.

Helt ny situation for Vingegaard: - Vi har ikke gjort det før

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ekstrabladet.dk

 

[Valv.Piti]

There's a recent article from Ekstra Bladet in which Heemskerk says pretty much the same thing.

Helt ny situation for Vingegaard: - Vi har ikke gjort det før

Læs mere her

ekstrabladet.dk

Yep. Focus on recovery and a couple of weeks intensive training (based on watts, heart rate and feelings) leading up to the Vuelta. Its not like he has lots of time considering you also want to be totally fresh on the start line in Barcelona.

Probably one of the hardest things to plan as a coach. You can really *** it up

 

[Andy schleck]

Yep. Focus on recovery and a couple of weeks intensive training (based on watts, heart rate and feelings) leading up to the Vuelta. Its not like he has lots of time considering you also want to be totally fresh on the start line in Barcelona.

Probably one of the hardest things to plan as a coach. You can really *** it up

How will he do intensive training in denmark?

 

[Ripper]

Hubris is an awesome thing to behold from the outside looking in. I'm talking about Jizma here.

The Vuelta should be interesting. modern GT racing certainly suggests that winning two in a year is an even bigger challenge than it used to be.

Not sure how Rogoman will perform, but I think Vingoman will either start very undercooked and gain speed, or actually start with really strong form but then diminish as the race goes on. Either way, I am skeptical he reaches the top step at the end of 3 weeks.

 

[Netserk]

How will he do intensive training in denmark?

Could be indoor.

 

[Andy schleck]

Could be indoor.

Without mountains?

 

[Valv.Piti]

I mean yes, you're not literally riding in mountains on an indoor trainer lol. But I also think the high intensity training, really specific training will be done indoor and also its probably a lot easier to analyze the numbers on a trainer, but you obviously still need some base and such and its not really bad at all just to go for a long ride outdoor in Denmark even if you're a climber. Still plenty hard

 

[theyoungest]

Hubris is an awesome thing to behold from the outside looking in. I'm talking about Jizma here.

The Vuelta should be interesting. modern GT racing certainly suggests that winning two in a year is an even bigger challenge than it used to be.

Not sure how Rogoman will perform, but I think Vingoman will either start very undercooked and gain speed, or actually start with really strong form but then diminish as the race goes on. Either way, I am skeptical he reaches the top step at the end of 3 weeks.

Hubris? You mean that if you go to the Vuelta with Roglic and Vingegaard, you can't say your aim is to win it? Anything else would be rather stupid, wouldn't it.

Vingegaard not going on altitude training isn't hubris either, more like being a human being and going on your third? fourth? altitude camp of the year may be a bit too much.

 

[Peyroteo94]

He already won the Tour so he is approaching the Vuelta like a secondary race where he will see how his level after a demanding Tour. He is not really targeting to win Vuelta but if he wins, it is a great bonus for his remarkable season. I still think he won't be close to top shape but only Pogacar can really challenge a peak Vingegaard (and probably not for 3 weeks) so a 90% Vingegaard can still fight for the win.

 

[Bolder]

He already won the Tour so he is approaching the Vuelta like a secondary race where he will see how his level after a demanding Tour. He is not really targeting to win Vuelta but if he wins, it is a great bonus for his remarkable season. I still think he won't be close to top shape but only Pogacar can really challenge a peak Vingegaard (and probably not for 3 weeks) so a 90% Vingegaard can still fight for the win.

This is my take, too. And I'm not so sure that Roglic has a better chance than any of the other contenders, so if Vingegaard is eager to ride, worst case scenario is he's a supremely overqualified domestique.

 

[Nick2413]

If it really is true Vingegaard wanted to go for the double when making start of season goals, which is what has been indicated frequently on here, it is very odd to be only training indoors or on flatlands. Having a go on a whim vs making it the season plan are two very different things. Which is true?

 

[FroomeWagon]

Big Odds favorite right now for the Vuelta

 

[Valv.Piti]

If it really is true Vingegaard wanted to go for the double when making start of season goals, which is what has been indicated frequently on here, it is very odd to be only training indoors or on flatlands. Having a go on a whim vs making it the season plan are two very different things. Which is true?

I guess that's one of the big reasons why he's moving after this season (not team, but new house). But I really do wonder how he approaches this Vuelta from a training perspective - the posts above by me (and others) are purely speculation.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Vinge is staying home in the flatlands with his loved ones and the TTs are predominantly flat. Rejuvenated from the power of love, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him dropping his teammates in the TT and finishing minutes ahead of them while having a repeat of the Tour TT with Evenepoel as Pog and Roglic as WVA.

 

[RedheadDane]

I don’t think it’s a coincidence that Vinge is staying home in the flatlands with his loved ones and the TTs are predominantly flat. Rejuvenated from the power of love, I wouldn’t be surprised to see him dropping his teammates in the TT and finishing minutes ahead of them while having a repeat of the Tour TT with Evenepoel as Pog and Roglic as WVA.

His teammates shouldn't be anywhere near him in the TT.

 

[meat puppet]

Beside love at home, he will likely receive some sort of supercompensation from the tour, which was essentially a very hard prolonged training block. Maybe they are banking on this. Does it live up to a proper altitude build? Almost certainly not. But doing the double is uncharted territory anyway.

Residual fatigue *should* be a problem at some point. Still it would not surprise me if either he is just superb, or comes in a little rusty, has a few very good performances, and fades during the latter stages.

 

[SHAD0W93]

His teammates shouldn't be anywhere near him in the TT.

They will be when they start off the ramp but otherwise no, they shouldn’t be anywhere near him.

 

[Andy schleck]

I guess that's one of the big reasons why he's moving after this season (not team, but new house). But I really do wonder how he approaches this Vuelta from a training perspective - the posts above by me (and others) are purely speculation.

For where is he moving? Annecy?

 

[Andy schleck]

It will be difficult for him to do the double, but if starts the vuelta a little "off" and then he improves during la vuelta to be in great shape in the last week and half, maybe he has a chance.

 

[RedheadDane]

They will be when they start off the ramp but otherwise no, they shouldn’t be anywhere near him.

Are you talking about the TTT?
Are they repeating the P-N TTT rules?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

For where is he moving? Annecy?

He is expected to move to Switzerland like Mads Pedersen did last year.

 

[Lequack]

He is expected to move to Switzerland like Mads Pedersen did last year.

Will the Danes allow this?