Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[iBanesto]

Vingegaard will probably ride himself to form during the 3 week race.

But won't be close to his TdF peak.

 

[Andy schleck]

Vingegaard could make assaults on LBL and Lombardia in future seasons, I think he is toying with the idea.
Before this season he didn't have a lot of wins outside the Tour de France, so makes perfect sense to me that they focused on stage racing which will always be his best option for racking up some wins. Maybe after this season Vingegaard has added some non-TdF wins to his palmares and is more willing to skip a one-week race to try LBL even with the risk that he barely finishes in top 10.

I also think Jumbo-Visma would like JV to take part in LBL because atm Benoot is their best rider going to that race. Vingegaard clearly have some qualities that should also be transferable to LBL/Lombardia, even if he will never be the favorite to win them.

Vingegaard isn't a natural classics rider either, 8th in San Sebastian and 14th in Lombardia are his best results. So far his issue isn't even that Rogla or Pogi beats him in the sprint, it's that he doesn't even get to that sprint finish.

I think he could also do something good on milan san remo. I think he has the same probability of pogacar to win milan san remo.....he can be in a group of 10 riders at the top of poggio and then like pogacar, will probably lose in the sprint. The only chance would be attack like mohoric in the descent, but he could try something like that.

Flandres and paris roubaix would be very difficult for him, in the other three monuments i think he can do top 10.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I think he could also do something good on milan san remo. I think he has the same probability of pogacar to win milan san remo.....he can be in a group of 10 riders at the top of poggio and then like pogacar, will probably lose in the sprint. The only chance would be attack like mohoric in the descent, but he could try something like that.

Flandres and paris roubaix would be very difficult for him, in the other three monuments i think he can do top 10.

Pogačar has a much better chance in a sprint though, plus his also better suited to a climb like Poggio. I'm not sure Vingegaard will like the fight for position in that race either.

 

[Andy schleck]

Pogačar has a much better chance in a sprint though, plus his also better suited to a climb like Poggio. I'm not sure Vingegaard will like the fight for position in that race either.

Yes, for sure he has a better chance in a sprint than Vingegaard ( but not high probability to win in a sprint) , but it's almost impossible to drop WVA, ganna, van der poel on that climb.....

 

[Peyroteo94]

Vingegaard will probably ride himself to form during the 3 week race.

But won't be close to his TdF peak.

But third week is very easy so unless he shows good shape already at the beginning, he won't relevant for the gc fight.

 

[Peter von]

But third week is very easy so unless he shows good shape already at the beginning, he won't relevant for the gc fight.

Isn't Angliru in week 3?

But yeah I get what you mean, the Vuelta isn't backloaded with hard stages like Giro/Tour often are.

The plus side is if he enters the Vuelta undercooked and improves during the race, he might help team mate Roglic win and ride himself into perfect shape to absolutely smash Lombardia.

I think he could also do something good on milan san remo. I think he has the same probability of pogacar to win milan san remo.....he can be in a group of 10 riders at the top of poggio and then like pogacar, will probably lose in the sprint. The only chance would be attack like mohoric in the descent, but he could try something like that.

Flandres and paris roubaix would be very difficult for him, in the other three monuments i think he can do top 10.

yeah, could be. It is probably an advantage for him that MSR is earlier in the season than LBL. This year he took a break from Itzulia until Dauphine. So that might be the preferred break according to someone at Jumbo.

Thing about that though is that Wout is a much better shout for Jumbo as a MSR winner and I am not sure JV being there could move the needle that much in their favour.

 

[Andy schleck]

But third week is very easy so unless he shows good shape already at the beginning, he won't relevant for the gc fight.

Third has some difficult stages like angliru. The last week and half are the most difficult.

 

[Netserk]

He has no chance in the spring classics, and he would be a waste of a spot in Sanremo. Maybe he should ride Catalunya instead of Paris-Nice next year, but otherwise his schedule is great.

 

[Red Rick]

He has no chance in the spring classics, and he would be a waste of a spot in Sanremo. Maybe he should ride Catalunya instead of Paris-Nice next year, but otherwise his schedule is great.

I think he has a shot at Fleche.

 

[Peter von]

He has no chance in the spring classics, and he would be a waste of a spot in Sanremo. Maybe he should ride Catalunya instead of Paris-Nice next year, but otherwise his schedule is great.

no chance is quite an overstatement, but his chances are slim compared to his odds in one week races. It's not quite like asking Fabio Jakobsen to do Tour of the Alps.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Isn't Angliru in week 3?

But yeah I get what you mean, the Vuelta isn't backloaded with hard stages like Giro/Tour often are.

The plus side is if he enters the Vuelta undercooked and improves during the race, he might help team mate Roglic win and ride himself into perfect shape to absolutely smash Lombardia.

yeah, could be. It is probably an advantage for him that MSR is earlier in the season than LBL. This year he took a break from Itzulia until Dauphine. So that might be the preferred break according to someone at Jumbo.

Thing about that though is that Wout is a much better shout for Jumbo as a MSR winner and I am not sure JV being there could move the needle that much in their favour.

Of course third week will have Angliru where a peak Vingegaard can gain minutes there but other stages are not very hard, Vingegaard can't gain more than 30 seconds in these stages.

 

[Peter von]

Of course third week will have Angliru where a peak Vingegaard can gain minutes there but other stages are not very hard, Vingegaard can't gain more than 30 seconds in these stages.

yeah, maybe it was the "very easy" part that stuck out to me.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Third has some difficult stages like angliru. The last week and half are the most difficult.

Of course Angliru is very hard but if we take off Angliru, third week is easy (compared to what we are used to see in third weeks of GT's).
Second week is probably where Vingegaard needs to show up in my humble opinion.

 

[SHAD0W93]

In the past 20 years, very few TDF winners / podium winners targeted the spring classics. No Ullrich, Armstrong, Contador, Schleck, Nibali, Froome. Although some of them could have in theory, given their abilities. Vingegaard - probably these races dont really suit him (too light).
Big exception is Liege (and San Sebastian), where TDF contenders regularely got good results. I would expect, Vingegaard could do well there, if he wanted.
But if it comes to spring classics / monuments, for me at this moment the best are MVDP, Pogacar, WVA, Asgren, Evenepoel (in this order).

Schleck and Nibali targeted the Ardennes classics and Nibali MSR.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I don't say he sucks at classics, but he ain't the favorite and its definitely what he's best at. Its blatantly obvious its stage races, and especially GTs, so its just better to maximize chances in these races. Not riding the classics mean its a lot more likely to do a double GT like this year as well and actually be good in both as well as the smallar stage races that he targetted this year. You will always be skipping important stuff if you wanna do well in the classics whether that being stage races, resting, targetted training etc etc.

I say stick to this and milk it. He will never be the favorite in Liege with Remco and Pogacar, and I'll dare say he'll never win it as long as long as they compete in good form. As far as Fleche, I believe Catalunya, Paris-Nice and Itzulia are bigger prizes, and it goes better with prepping for TdF as well.

Lombardia? Sure, ride it, but does it make sense when you do Tour + Vuelta? Again, in that case it makes a lot more sense to just stop after the Vuelta and get the good period of rest in psycically and mentally before the next season. It does matter a lot if you finish the season mid September or mid Oktober guys, especially if you wanna replicate doing what he has done this year being really good already in February.

I like the idea of Trine ALOT better: All 3 GTs in one season. One prep race before May and thats your season. Simple.

 

[tobydawq]

I don't say he sucks at classics, but he ain't the favorite and its definitely what he's best at. Its blatantly obvious its stage races, and especially GTs, so its just better to maximize chances in these races. Not riding the classics mean its a lot more likely to do a double GT like this year as well and actually be good in both as well as the smallar stage races that he targetted this year. You will always be skipping important stuff if you wanna do well in the classics whether that being stage races, resting, targetted training etc etc.

I say stick to this and milk it. He will never be the favorite in Liege with Remco and Pogacar, and I'll dare say he'll never win it as long as long as they compete in good form. As far as Fleche, I believe Catalunya, Paris-Nice and Itzulia are bigger prizes, and it goes better with prepping for TdF as well.

Lombardia? Sure, ride it, but does it make sense when you do Tour + Vuelta? Again, in that case it makes a lot more sense to just stop after the Vuelta and get the good period of rest in psycically and mentally before the next season. It does matter a lot if you finish the season mid September or mid Oktober guys, especially if you wanna replicate doing what he has done this year being really good already in February.

I like the idea of Trine ALOT better: All 3 GTs in one season. One prep race before May and thats your season. Simple.

Just do all WT races.

 

[Cookster15]

Of course third week will have Angliru where a peak Vingegaard can gain minutes there but other stages are not very hard, Vingegaard can't gain more than 30 seconds in these stages.

This is assuming Vingegaard can be at a similar level as we saw in the TdF. I have strong doubts.

Mentally as well as physically its almost impossible to get to that level even after the extra month recovery between the Tour and Vuelta (compared to the Giro/Tour).

 

[RedheadDane]

Just do all WT races.

Then they'd have to clone him, and there are rules against that!

 

[tobydawq]

Then they'd have to clone him, and there are rules against that!

If I can watch a race after it took place, surely he can race it like that.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Then they'd have to clone him, and there are rules against that!

It is the UCI's plan that no/less WT races should overlap in the future.

 

[RedheadDane]

It is the UCI's plan that no/less WT races should overlap in the future.

And that's a stupid plan. Is there a petition you can sign, explaining how stupid it is?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

And that's a stupid plan. Is there a petition you can sign, explaining how stupid it is?

You could make one.

 

[Bolder]

Not a scenario I'd base my scheduling decisions on tbh. It's probably a race where Roglic and Vingegaard both racing would enhance each others chances.

IMO the real opportunity cost is moving the spring peak back a few weeks to add the Ardennes to the schedule for limited gain for Vingegaard. If he's not that interested in those races there's little you can do.

I suspect he’s committed to GTs for the remainder of his current contract, at least, but I want him to give the classics a fair shot while he’s still in good nick.

 

[proffate]

Probably he uses a chamber in his house, doesn't make the same effects?

If that were the case why would anyone bother training at altitude?

No, those hypobaric tents are not beneficial for exercise perforamnce.

 

[Red Rick]

If that were the case why would anyone bother training at altitude?

No, those hypobaric tents are not beneficial for exercise perforamnce.

Article says it's about normobaric hypoxia, not hypobaric.