Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[RedheadDane]

Why?

Most recently, his whining about the "Solidarity jersey" - that nobody actually gets to wear during the stages - at the Vuelta.

 

[tobydawq]

Most recently, his whining about the "Solidarity jersey" - that nobody actually gets to wear during the stages - at the Vuelta.

I haven't heard about it but that sounds indeed like an abysmal concept.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I'm bothered by the fact that MR still has a role in cycling...

I don't know much about cycling history, but I was under the impression he owned a poultry farm (or maybe it was a vineyard. I've heard those things often get mixed up in the Danish language). Please do enlighten me.

 

[RedheadDane]

I haven't heard about it but that sounds indeed like an abysmal concept.

Yes, it's bad to give recognition to someone for being nice. Riders should all be jerks...

But generally, I just lost all respect for him way back during the 2020 TdF when he was all "Mads Pedersen is overweight, and if you're serious about being a pro, you need to starve yourself!"
Said at a time when Mads P. was World Champion.

 

[tobydawq]

Yes, it's bad to give recognition to someone for being nice. Riders should all be jerks...

But generally, I just lost all respect for him way back during the 2020 TdF when he was all "Mads Pedersen is overweight, and if you're serious about being a pro, you need to starve yourself!"
Said at a time when Mads P. was World Champion.

Yes, because now they have to contrive some nonsense every day to award a prize which there is no subjective way of awarding. This is cycling, not figure skating.

And Mads Pedersen became really, really good last year when he realised that himself. Sure, he was World Champion, but he really had only had two really great race days before 2022 where he was at absolute elite level. Now he is there all the time.

Weight matters in this sport, whether you like it or not.

 

[RedheadDane]

Yes, because now they have to contrive some nonsense every day to award a prize which there is no subjective way of awarding. This is cycling, not figure skating.

And Mads Pedersen became really, really good last year when he realised that himself. Sure, he was World Champion, but he really had only had two really great race days before 2022 where he was at absolute elite level. Now he is there all the time.

Weight matters in this sport, whether you like it or not.

Mads Pedersen has the right weight for the type of rider he is. MR wouldn't have lasted five minutes in Yorkshire. That's my issue with that BS statement; MR apparently thinking that the only way to be pro is to be a skinny climber. You can focus on your weight, without having an unhealthy obsession with it.

But let's go back to about the two-time TdF-winner, not some old-timer, whose biggest relevance - thankfully - is writing articles for a lower-rank gossip newspaper.

 

[The Clogger]

Yesterday Prime Video uploaded most of the content with Jonas Vingegaard from the documentary Team Jumbo-Visma: All In

View: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Io4eqKHXFn4


No English subtitles though, you'll have to use the auto-generated translation from YouTube.

 

[The Clogger]

And dude, whatever the next thread title may be, do not include anything about fish. It's so degrading.

 

[tobydawq]

Mads Pedersen has the right weight for the type of rider he is. MR wouldn't have lasted five minutes in Yorkshire. That's my issue with that BS statement; MR apparently thinking that the only way to be pro is to be a skinny climber. You can focus on your weight, without having an unhealthy obsession with it.

But let's go back to about the two-time TdF-winner, not some old-timer, whose biggest relevance - thankfully - is writing articles for a lower-rank gossip newspaper.

It's not often to see you dislike someone this much.

 

[RedheadDane]

And dude, whatever the next thread title may be, do not include anything about fish. It's so degrading.

Nothing degrading about fish, or working in the fish-industry. Fish are tasty.

 

[theyoungest]

Yes, it's bad to give recognition to someone for being nice. Riders should all be jerks...

But generally, I just lost all respect for him way back during the 2020 TdF when he was all "Mads Pedersen is overweight, and if you're serious about being a pro, you need to starve yourself!"
Said at a time when Mads P. was World Champion.

I get the impression that he's sort of the Danish Chris Horner. A real smartass now his career his over, when his career was still going we didn't see too much of that.

 

[Ripper]

And dude, whatever the next thread title may be, do not include anything about fish. It's so degrading.

But Vigo needs to slap people with the wet fish

 

[Ripper]

But Vigo needs to slap people with the wet fish

View: https://youtu.be/T8XeDvKqI4E?si=sKsN6aKTFk7d9Dah

 

[Netserk]

He needs to be stronger than this come Tourmalet.

 

[meat puppet]

Mads Pedersen has the right weight for the type of rider he is. MR wouldn't have lasted five minutes in Yorkshire. That's my issue with that BS statement; MR apparently thinking that the only way to be pro is to be a skinny climber. You can focus on your weight, without having an unhealthy obsession with it.

But let's go back to about the two-time TdF-winner, not some old-timer, whose biggest relevance - thankfully - is writing articles for a lower-rank gossip newspaper.

Props for the weight comments. It is not as though cycling as a sport or MR has had the healthiest relationship to weight and food after all. It's a good thing different body type riders can excel in the sport.

 

[theyoungest]

He needs to be stronger than this come Tourmalet.

He certainly does. Sprinted straight off the wheel, even Pogacar couldn't do that in the Tour. I think this is the worst he's been all year, except Paris-Nice maybe (but I'm not too sure about that).

 

[Red Rick]

He certainly does. Sprinted straight off the wheel, even Pogacar couldn't do that in the Tour. I think this is the worst he's been all year, except Paris-Nice maybe (but I'm not too sure about that).

Vingegaard sprinted backwards in the Tour as well in the flat sprints, the only time he really held Pogs wheel was on Jaizkibel and in Morzine where it was very high speed anyway

 

[hfgon1]

It's a loss for all his opponents not to have gained time on him yet. Think he will be the strongest later on, at least on stages 17 and 18.

 

[Red Rick]

Well his sprint after a short recovery seems pretty *** innit. He went backwards on stage 1 of the Tour as well.

 

[JosefK]

Vingo looks as good now (after Vuelta stage 8) as he did after stage 6 of the TDF.

 

[IndurainsTdF1994]

Could he be gentlemanly enough to let Roglic have this one? I would have never thought it possible, but maybe there is more to their dynamics than meets the eye. Anyway, a decent first week post tdf win.

 

[Red Rick]

Could he be gentlemanly enough to let Roglic have this one? I would have never thought it possible, but maybe there is more to their dynamics than meets the eye. Anyway, a decent first week post tdf win.

He struggled at the finish, so I really doubt it. I did think maybe Vingegaard should attack when Roglic is in Evenepoels wheel, but that seemed like a bad idea with Ayuso in Vingegaards wheel hismelf.

I really don't think that if Vingegaard feels a million bucks Marie Blanque style he wouldn't have attacked here.

 

[Red Rick]

He needs to be stronger than this come Tourmalet.

He does.

At the same time, he hasn't been dropped outside of full blown uphill sprints. I find it hard to gauge where he's at, especially considering he's naturally passive when he doesn't feel super and considering he's better suited to the bigger, longer and higher mountain stages anyway.

In this form I'd expect him to ship a full minute in the ITT tbh, as well as losing to Roglic in the ITT.

 

[IndianCyclist]

He appears to be in Paris Nice form and so is just following and contributing where he can.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

He does.

At the same time, he hasn't been dropped outside of full blown uphill sprints. I find it hard to gauge where he's at, especially considering he's naturally passive when he doesn't feel super and considering he's better suited to the bigger, longer and higher mountain stages anyway.

In this form I'd expect him to ship a full minute in the ITT tbh, as well as losing to Roglic in the ITT.

I'm starting to think that Vingo maybe is not JV's best victory prospect. It's Primoz (who had a dedicated preparation) or possibly even Kuss (if he keeps some buffer after the TT but he's also likely to be used as a bait for Remco/Ayuso).