Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[ppanther92]

After he wins the Vuelta, he has to try and win the Giro, right? To hold all three titles at the same time?

Boring, Froome already did that.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Actually I'm less certain he'll win Vuelta after today. Kuss is still hanging on and tomorrow is maybe the last chance (not sure if they will get crazy on Saturday). I think that, after today, they may even stop attacking Kuss (if Vingo's words at the finish are worth anything).

 

[Valv.Piti]

The best politician will win the bike race?

 

[JosefK]

I may guess that Vingo is actually conflicted about how to race stage 18, as he is down only 8 seconds on Kuss for the Vuelta title yet he might genuinely be happy for Sepp to win the whole thing. But grand tour titles are hard to come by. Who knows how many other chances he will get to race/win the Vuelta? He'll have to clear things back home (with his wife), also. I think that in the end, he will reluctantly attack (or counter a Rog attack) and take the needed time for the red jersey.

 

[tretiak]

sure I understand your post. It's true it's a guess, but it's a good guess nevertheless

Well, they're of course not funny individually but there certainly seems to be a pattern.

Yesterday it was Nathan's accident
The other day it was his daughter's birthday
In Dauphiné there had been an incident at a kindergarten somewhere in France
Last year on Hautacam, he had apparently promised his girlfriend he'd win

Are you upset that he mentions any person or event that he dedicates his winnings to. You must be easily irritated and you obviously must not listen to other interviews when winners dedicate their winnings to any person. Need I remind you about a person called Pogacar and his stage win that he dedicated to his girlfriend who crashed

 

[carolina]

Boring, Froome already did that.

He can win all 3 GTs next year. That would be something new.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Tomorrow is 22 years and 4 days after 9/11. I reckon its over for the rest!

 

[bNator]

Actually I'm less certain he'll win Vuelta after today. Kuss is still hanging on and tomorrow is maybe the last chance (not sure if they will get crazy on Saturday). I think that, after today, they may even stop attacking Kuss (if Vingo's words at the finish are worth anything).

They aren’t

 

[Boehmand]

After he wins the Vuelta, he has to try and win the Giro, right? To hold all three titles at the same time?

I think he does only the Tour next year because of wanting to do both the Olympics and Worlds, meaning his season has to be structured differently.

Provided he wins the Tour next year, I could see him going for the triple in 2025 because that would truly be historic.

- I doubt he can do it but I could see him make the attempt, especially if the 3 routes invite it.

 

[Red Rick]

I think he does only the Tour next year because of wanting to do both the Olympics and Worlds, meaning his season has to be structured differently.

Provided he wins the Tour next year, I could see him going for the triple in 2025 because that would truly be historic.

- I doubt he can do it but I could see him make the attempt, especially if the 3 routes invite it.

If Vingegaard is his level of this Vuelta at the Tour, especially the first 11 stages, he gets torched seven way from sunday by Pogacar.

 

[nightowl]

Unsure what to think, I feel like Jonas could’ve attacked out of Roglic’s wheel and taken red plus the stage. This is obviously just conjecture but I kinda get the feeling he’s adamant he’s not getting dropped/losing time to Roglic while not necessarily wanting to screw Kuss over. If Roglic gets a gap again tomorrow I wonder what he’ll do.

 

[Miss Violet Smith]

I hope this doesn't age badly - I have the impression that Vingegaard would be happy for Kuss to win, but he isn't going to put himself in a position where he might to lose to someone else. And if anyone in the team is going to win two GTs in a year, might as well be him, right?

As Bilbo Baggins would say if he was a professional cyclist: "After all, why not? Why shouldn't I (keep it) ride everyone off my wheel and win by ten minutes, my precious?"

I can actually imagine him giving full gas in the heat of the moment and winning more or less accidentally.

 

[CyclistAbi]

May the best rider win. Just go for it.

 

[Boehmand]

If Vingegaard is his level of this Vuelta at the Tour, especially the first 11 stages, he gets torched seven way from sunday by Pogacar.

Perhaps, but we don't really know what his level is, today he looked like he had another gear but opted not to use it against Roglic.

It also depends how hard the Giro is, if the start list is a bunch of second tier GC riders he may be able to win it at 90 %.

Either way as said I don't think it is possible to do the triple, but it would be cool if he tried.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Let me get this straight:

• Vingegaard did not really prep for this race, seemingly indicating it doesn’t mean much to him
• Roglic would be matching the Vuelta wind record and was denied his big GT target, the Tour, by the team, whereas JV is secure as the top GC rider in the world with little to gain here as two-time Tour champ
• This could be life changing for Kuss, with a career defining, wealth giving moment at hand
• Roglic was significantly stronger in the ITT and on the first real climb on stage 6
• Kuss was gifted time in a breakaway but has been weaker than team leaders in the ITT and across mountain stages
• Roglic has sat in the bunch marking opponents while both teammates rode up the road, hurting his own GC chances, on multiple occasions
• Vingegaard has snapped to his teammates ever single time, refusing to sacrifice for his teammates
• Yesterday, the team agreed to ride for Roglic, but instead Vingegaard audibled and rode for the win, not only taking the stage but also passing Roglic in GC
• Today, Roglic rode for the win with little hope of catching either of his teammates in GC, but instead of Vinge acting like Roglic the day before and sitting on, he chased down Roglic and put significant time on Kuss
• Roglic is the bad guy?

 

[kn0s]

Let me get this straight:

• Vingegaard did not really prep for this race, seemingly indicating it doesn’t mean much to him
• Roglic would be matching the Vuelta wind record and was denied his big GT target, the Tour, by the team, whereas JV is secure as the top GC rider in the world with little to gain here as two-time Tour champ
• This could be life changing for Kuss, with a career defining, wealth giving moment at hand
• Roglic was significantly stronger in the ITT and on the first real climb on stage 6
• Kuss was gifted time in a breakaway but has been weaker than team leaders in the ITT and across mountain stages
• Roglic has sat in the bunch marking opponents while both teammates rode up the road, hurting his own GC chances, on multiple occasions
• Vingegaard has snapped to his teammates ever single time, refusing to sacrifice for his teammates
• Yesterday, the team agreed to ride for Roglic, but instead Vingegaard audibled and rode for the win, not only taking the stage but also passing Roglic in GC
• Today, Roglic rode for the win with little hope of catching either of his teammates in GC, but instead of Vinge acting like Roglic the day before and sitting on, he chased down Roglic and put significant time on Kuss
• Roglic is the bad guy?

Has anyone said Roglic was the bad guy here? Except in jest, mostly to mock the psychotics comming over from the Roglic thread spewing the most heinous insults.

I like Roglic just fine and feel like I try to look at it for a cycling appreciation standpoint. It is obvious you see things differently if you are a fan, we interpret the little signs the riders give to fit our own narrative.

I my opinion this Vuelta has been both a success and a failure for Roglic. He has cemented his position as the 3 best GC riders in the world. But he failed in showing the team he is able to compete for real tour leadership.

You see a Roglic being strong and being held back by tactics and the team. I see him not being stranger than Jonas, after the tour, with bad prep and diarrhea the first week. He said he was bad even on tourmalet still.

If you bring Jonas you have to expect him to do Jonas things and that is attacking from a distance, if he can't do that, then don't bring him. This clashes with Roglic and his little bonus second dance.

 

[RedheadDane]

I see him not being stranger than Jonas, after the tour, with bad prep and diarrhea the first week.

I'm not sure which of the two I'd consider strangest.

 

[kn0s]

I'm not sure which of the two I'd consider strangest.

Think they are about equal

 

[RedheadDane]

Think they are about equal

They're pro cyclists, so they're obviously both a bit strange.

 

[kn0s]

They're pro cyclists, so they're obviously both a bit strange.

Yeah, that's why I like Kuss the best. He seems so nice and normal.

 

[RedheadDane]

Yeah, that's why I like Kuss the best. He seems so nice and normal.

He's also strange. Again; all pro cyclists are a bit strange. All - or at least the wast majority - of (road) pro cyclists have quite likely at some point dreamt about doing a GT.
You are a bit strange if your life ambition is suffering for three weeks!

 

[Jagartrott]

How he rides today (unless Kuss cracks) will reveal a lot about his character. So far, he has not shown through his actions that he really wants Kuss to win, but on the other hand, he also did not take the red jersey. Hence, today will show his real intentions: is he a hypocrite, or is he genuine?

 

[Elos Anjos]

Has anyone said Roglic was the bad guy here? Except in jest, mostly to mock the psychotics comming over from the Roglic thread spewing the most heinous insults.

I like Roglic just fine and feel like I try to look at it for a cycling appreciation standpoint. It is obvious you see things differently if you are a fan, we interpret the little signs the riders give to fit our own narrative.

I my opinion this Vuelta has been both a success and a failure for Roglic. He has cemented his position as the 3 best GC riders in the world. But he failed in showing the team he is able to compete for real tour leadership.

You see a Roglic being strong and being held back by tactics and the team. I see him not being stranger than Jonas, after the tour, with bad prep and diarrhea the first week. He said he was bad even on tourmalet still.

If you bring Jonas you have to expect him to do Jonas things and that is attacking from a distance, if he can't do that, then don't bring him. This clashes with Roglic and his little bonus second dance.

The bias here is thick and smelly.

 

[The Clogger]

I feel pretty sure that Vingegaard will give Kuss the win today. He will, if possible, try to cross the finish line in the same time as Kuss. In my eyes, the only thing that can change this result is if (extremely selfish) Roglic tries to attack from far out, which in this case will be an attack on both Vingegaard and Kuss. Jumbo Visma will with certainty let the break take the stage today, so Roglic cannot use a possible stage win as an excuse to attack his team mates who helped him to Grand Tour victories earlier in his career.

Vingegaard, in this case, will cement his place in the peleton as probably the most fair (also waiting for Pogacar in TDF 2022) and sympathetic rider who has given a domestique a Grand Tour victory. Surely this has never happened before.

Personally, I hope he goes for the win as this is a race and the strongest rider should win. To honor the race. But I suspect he is too good of a person to do this.

Only the man without class (Roglic) can stop Vingegaard in gifting Kuss the victory. We will see today.

 

[kn0s]

The bias here is thick and smelly.

That may be the case. It's often hard to see you own bias. We all think we are mister objective.

But let me ask you this then. Do you think one of Roglic' main objectives here is to show he is worthy of the leader role in the Tour? If the success criteria is that, is it met? He did a fantastic ride yesterday no doubt. But if you are Jumbo and need to do battle with Poggi, who do you bring?