Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

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So Jonas can take UCI No.1 spot at Itzulia by finishing on the podium.

No but if he wins Itzulia we'll be in top 4 at UCI. Philipsen and Pogacar is a bit far.

 

[Mlarsen]

From the Corona version of Tour of Switzerland in 2020

https://fb.watch/r4e_BpCxSa

 

[Froome]

The debrief: Analysing that Tour time trial

Making sense of "the best time trial performance ever," and how the competition close the gap by the 2024 Tour.

escapecollective.com

Very interesting article explaining in detail the perfomance of Vingegaard by his coach Heijboer.

Some interesting takes:

“Does Jonas have any drop off in power from road bike to TT bike?” I asked Heijboer.

“No, no, no no, no,” came the emphatic answer, “and especially not on the base bar.”

Vinegaard’s exceptional ability to maintain his aero position was also evident during the entire time trial. It’s one thing to be aero, and another to produce power, but combining the two is the secret to successful time trialling."



What is also special? Vingegaard gave away more information than most in his post-stage 16 press conference. The Dane revealed he was planning to ride at 360 watts on the flats but was actually maintaining 380. Heijboer explained the team typically uses RPE (Rate of Perceived Exertion) in pacing time trials, a pacing strategy Vingegaard was able to fine-tune, having got it wrong in the time trial at the Dauphine last month. “We use the power meter as a reference, but most important is the feeling,” Heijboer explains.


Using those numbers, we can make educated guesses at Vingegaard’s CdA. Some of the calculations we are seeing and hearing at Escape Collective suggest that figure is as low or perhaps even lower than .17. We put this number to Heijboer, who, understandably and frustratingly, couldn’t give away Jonas’s measured CdA but did say, “that is close,” as if to suggest the actual number might be even lower. To be clear, .17 is absolutely exceptional.

Heijboer then tells a story from aero testing Jonas’s time trial position during covid times, the aerodynamicists back at home were convinced there was something wrong with the test or equipment, so low was his CdA. These are only estimates, but for comparison, Dan Bigham’s CdA for his successful Hour Record attempt last year was possibly as low as .155. Remco Evenpoel’s CdA is perhaps similar to Vingegaard’s, while Ganna’s Hour Record CdA is estimated at .185 (a rider’s CdA is typically lower on the track due to the clutter-free track bikes, but Ganna is also 18 cm taller and roughly 20 kg or more heavier than Vingegaard). Finally, Van Aert – a similarly sized rider to Ganna – has an estimated CdA of perhaps around .2. For what it’s worth, some calculations suggest every .01 increase in Jonas’s CdA could have cost him as much as 24 seconds. For comparison, each extra watt would save 2.9 seconds. Hence the importance of maintaining the optimal time trial position.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Did Grischa forget the password? Did he not „study every corner“? Clearly washed

 

[Peyroteo94]

He just performs in the Tour (TT)

 

[Boehmand]

Does anyone know if Vingegaard had any technical issues?

Otherwise 15 seconds to Roglic (who took a wrong turn) and 4 seconds to Evenepoel (who crashed), seems like quite a lot on a 10K TT.

 

[Froome]

Does anyone know if Vingegaard had any technical issues?

Otherwise 15 seconds to Roglic (who took a wrong turn) and 4 seconds to Evenepoel (who crashed), seems like quite a lot on a 10K TT.

There's no issues, he will be really good in the TT in the right time, at his peak shape.

Nevertheless, he did a good TT considering this time of the season, and the clearly bad TT setup Visma have at the moment. They will certainly improve the setup in the next months.

 

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Nevertheless, he did a good TT considering this time of the season, and the clearly bad TT setup Visma have at the moment. They will certainly improve the setup in the next months.

Noticed that too! Little weird they didn’t improve their set up over the winter. Besides 3rd week Vingegaard it’s a long time since I seen a really good TT by any jumbo/visma riders.

 

[Boehmand]

There's no issues, he will be really good in the TT in the right time, at his peak shape.

Nevertheless, he did a good TT considering this time of the season, and the clearly bad TT setup Visma have at the moment. They will certainly improve the setup in the next months.

Are you guessing or did you see his ride?

 

[Brullnux]

Does anyone know if Vingegaard had any technical issues?

Otherwise 15 seconds to Roglic (who took a wrong turn) and 4 seconds to Evenepoel (who crashed), seems like quite a lot on a 10K TT.

IMO that's his TT level outside of third week grand tours. It was similar in Tirreno to Ayuso, and then he destroyed the climbs.

 

[Froome]

Are you guessing or did you see his ride?

The bad setup TT in comparation with other teams is quite obvious, looking at Visma riders results, and not just from today.

He will be fine when it matters most.

 

[Boehmand]

The bad setup TT in comparation with other teams is quite obvious, looking at Visma riders results, and not just from today.

He will be fine when it matters most.

So you didn't see it?

 

[Froome]

So you didn't see it?

I saw the gaps to Remco and Roglic(considering the issues those two had).
The tv coverage started later, impossible to see him race.

Nothing to worry about due the circumstances.

When he is in peak shape he can do better time trials even in the first days of competition like in copenhague, when he faced worst conditions at the start of the TT.

Certainly Visma will also improve the TT setup in the next months. He will be fine when it matters most.

 

[Rackham]

Maybe it's just me but I swear that helmet actually impeded Vingegaard in some of the clips I watched (specifically in one tight corner where he did a course correction).

It just looks... awkward on a technical route.

 

[Ripper]

Maybe it's just me but I swear that helmet actually impeded Vingegaard in some of the clips I watched (specifically in one tight corner where he did a course correction).

It just looks... awkward on a technical route.

Well, so far there is no evidence that the Giro Dorkus Maximus has resulted in improved JoJo TT'ing. I often don't like many of the UCI tech rules, but man I hope they bad that MF helmet soon

 

[scribers]

I feel great concern about Vingo. What are we seeing here @Froome ?

 

[Froome]

I feel great concern about Vingo. What are we seeing here @Froome ?

I'm not concerned about Vingegaard.

 

[Red Rick]

I read somewhere Visma are supposed to get a new TT bike before the Tour?

 

[Froome]

I read somewhere Visma are supposed to get a new TT bike before the Tour?

I think the same happened last year before the Tour.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It's over for Skeletor. He can beat farmers but once top rivals appear he's crushed. He should retire before the Tour: ending on the top is better than falling!

 

[Red Rick]

There's 0 need to worry about Vingegaard after Tirreno, unless he shows up at the Dauphine looking like Carlos Betancur

 

[Froome]

It's over for Skeletor. He can beat farmers but once top rivals appear he's crushed. He should retire before the Tour: ending on the top is better than falling!

This is the real problem. What the hell is niermann doing in Germany instead of being in basque country to activate the password to Vingegaard?!

 

[Peyroteo94]

There's 0 need to worry about Vingegaard after Tirreno, unless he shows up at the Dauphine looking like Carlos Betancur

This. Dauphiné is the benchmark to his level in the Tour. Pretty sure, he will win there.

 

[The Clogger]

Progress!

In '21 he lost 18 seconds to Roglic, in '22 he lost 20 seconds to Roglic and today he lost 16 seconds.

The Tour de France victory is inevitable.

 

[Ripper]

The helmet is slowing his TT down