Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Froome]

He (almost) certainly goes to the Tour and will be competitive. The only thing is, not all fractures are equal and heal equally well but with the collarbone you are back on the bike in max. 10 days (stationary), with the ribs one has to see a bit (but I would assume they would have mentioned a punctured lung or any more serious complication for that matter). I would speculate that its rather comparable to Pogacar last year from the "time out" at very first sight. Happened even some weeks earlier, which may play in Vingegaards cards slightly.

In any way - good news under the circumstances in my opinion.

We hope that scenario, for a good race in July.

If he enters in the Tour in a acceptable shape, he can also survive and improve the shape in the first 2 weeks, before the last week where everything will be decided. The Tour 2024 is backloaded, all important in the last 9 days of racing.

Let's see how it goes.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Imo ribs are cleary worse than a wrist injury, but it ain't as bad as we thought first.

 

[hfgon1]

Imo ribs are cleary worse than a wrist injury, but it ain't as bad as we thought first.

Yeah, seems like he has a more serious injury than Pogacar last year but it is also 2 1/2 weeks earlier in the season. Would be great to see him at the Tour.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Very good news given the circunstances!! We all know he was injured and I feared a broken pelvis or broken leg but a upper body injury make him able to defend his Tour's title. Almost 3 months to recover. C'mon Jonas!

 

[Peyroteo94]

Sounds like he is a little fortunate. But it is more than one rib broken and his training will be affected, but how much won't be known until maybe the TdF itself.

In Dauphiné, we will know if he will able to be in top shpe in the Tour

 

[Oldermanish]

He moved one leg while lying on the ground, he couldn´t do that with a serious injury of his spine, or?

You could, but shouldn't.

Same injuries as Wout's, just a week apart. Crazy, but like some said it could've been worse. Speedy recovery.

Hopefully the sternum is stable and doesn't need intervention. The situation sounds a little optimistic and, by comparison; would be much better off than Pogacar's wrist injury. We all know how that prep panned out for Le Tour.
You can't duplicate outdoor hard efforts adequately on a stationary bike.

 

[Cookster15]

In Dauphiné, we will know if he will able to be in top shpe in the Tour

Not necessarily. Pogacar’s true shape wasn’t revealed until stage 17 of the 2023 TdF.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Not necessarily. Pogacar’s true shape wasn’t revealed until stage 17 of the 2023 TdF.

But Pogacar is a freak. He can be competitive even if he is on vacations. Vingegaard doesn't have the same base level, we will a clear picture about his shape in my opinion.

 

[Froome]

Not necessarily. Pogacar’s true shape wasn’t revealed until stage 17 of the 2023 TdF.

Pogacar showed is true shape on stage 17, but on stage 20 he already showed again his fake shape.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Well now he'll have time to return to the fish factory for a few weeks and come back even stronger.
Having had injuries before might make it easier for him, at least mentally, to get through it.

 

[FanBoi]

Well now he'll have time to return to the fish factory for a few weeks and come back even stronger.
Having had injuries before might make it easier for him, at least mentally, to get through it.

I think you are correct. Back in 2017 he broke a femur, which obviously is a far far worse injury. Held him out for almost 9 months.

This injury is under the circumstances not too bad.

However in my opinion he will have it way harder than e.g. pogacar last year, as broken ribs can hinder your breathing, which is the most important when exercising sports which require high stamina like running or cycling. A broken collarbone is not the problem.

 

[Peyroteo94]

I think he will be able to compete in the Tour. However, he doesn't have time to gain race sharpness during the Tour. The first stage screams for a long range attack by Pogacar and if he is really undercooked, he can be in big troubles there. And other thing that it will not help is the fact we have a important mountain stage already in stage 4. We all know the race will not be won there but Vingegaard (and Remco too) can definetly lose the race in Galibier.

 

[Lorzenz08]

I think he will be able to compete in the Tour. However, he doesn't have time to gain race sharpness during the Tour. The first stage screams for a long range attack by Pogacar and if he is really undercooked, he can be in big troubles there. And other thing that it will not help is the fact we have a important mountain stage already in stage 4. We all know the race will not be won there but Vingegaard (and Remco too) can definetly lose the race in Galibier.

As for now Pogi and Vingo are the only ones able to battle each other and give something interesting.

If one of them is in peak shape and other one isn't able to do anything, chances are it's going to be a boring TdF.

 

[proffate]

I think you are correct. Back in 2017 he broke a femur, which obviously is a far far worse injury. Held him out for almost 9 months.

This injury is under the circumstances not too bad.

However in my opinion he will have it way harder than e.g. pogacar last year, as broken ribs can hinder your breathing, which is the most important when exercising sports which require high stamina like running or cycling. A broken collarbone is not the problem.

I've had broken ribs, they didn't impact my breathing. It's much worse to injure a complicated joint, and there aren't many more complicated than a wrist.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Terrible news and good news I guess. Really glad he’s OK but sad for him. A lot of pain, possibly some lost goals in his future, and it’s not his fault. I hope he recovers well and is somehow at top form for the Tour.

 

[FanBoi]

I've had broken ribs, they didn't impact my breathing. It's much worse to injure a complicated joint, and there aren't many more complicated than a wrist.

I think it's stupid to compare pogi and jonas' injuries. However saying that a broken wrist is worse, well that is just stupid. Pogi could be one the hometrainer on DAY 1 after his surgery. I agree a broken wrist can result in a more complicated healing, but it is absolutely not worse than this.

Secondly injuries hit different. We don't now if jonas will heal fast, or if it will be a longer process. We must wait and see.

 

[Oldermanish]

I think it's stupid to compare pogi and jonas' injuries. However saying that a broken wrist is worse, well that is just stupid. Pogi could be one the hometrainer on DAY 1 after his surgery. I agree a broken wrist can result in a more complicated healing, but it is absolutely not worse than this.

Secondly injuries hit different. We don't now if jonas will heal fast, or if it will be a longer process. We must wait and see.

Spoken like a sideline expert. Or Faninfant.
You don't ride the road on a wrist recovery until it's healed enough to be stable, allow for all hand function and not transmitting sudden nerve pain at every pothole. Same with key broken fingers.
If you have a broken collarbone you can ride on the trainer the next day; but probably aren't grabbing the bars with both hands. Uncomfortable but totally do-able.
If Jona's scapula is displaced and it requires surgery that'll be several weeks and likely a month or two before he's allowed on the road.
This issue in both cases is the time before intensity can occur both indoors and out.

I wouldn't call anyone here stupid, particularly without checking historical discussions on the matters at hand.

 

[proffate]

I think it's stupid to compare pogi and jonas' injuries.

in my opinion he will have it way harder than e.g. pogacar last year

 

[FanBoi]

There is a difference comparing recovery time as a proff cyclist (which i did) vs saying a injury isn't too bad (which you did).

 

[proffate]

There is a difference comparing recovery time as a proff cyclist (which i did) vs saying a injury isn't too bad (which you did).

you are tilting at windmills

anyway I was also worried that jonas's career was over based on his refusal to sit up but I guess that's just the protocol his creators programmed, similar to a di2 rear der's crash protection mode

 

[Cookster15]

I've had broken ribs, they didn't impact my breathing. It's much worse to injure a complicated joint, and there aren't many more complicated than a wrist.

All injuries are different. I’ve had broken ribs and it definitely affected my breathing. A time trial or intense climb would be a very painful ordeal. But we don’t know how bad Vingegaard’s breaks are yet.

 

[kn0s]

Spoken like a sideline expert. Or Faninfant.
You don't ride the road on a wrist recovery until it's healed enough to be stable, allow for all hand function and not transmitting sudden nerve pain at every pothole. Same with key broken fingers.
If you have a broken collarbone you can ride on the trainer the next day; but probably aren't grabbing the bars with both hands. Uncomfortable but totally do-able.
If Jona's scapula is displaced and it requires surgery that'll be several weeks and likely a month or two before he's allowed on the road.
This issue in both cases is the time before intensity can occur both indoors and out.

I wouldn't call anyone here stupid, particularly without checking historical discussions on the matters at hand.

I really have no horse in this race, but I did read up on this recently. Pogacar was going to take a break and start building up a new peak the day after the crash. He was on the home trainer about one week after. Now what difference this made I have very little relatable experience to comment on. It's tricky commenting on breaks/fractures when you know nothing really. It could be the bone sticking out or a very fine hairline, we don't really know.

What I do know is we mostly saw the best performances ever from him at the TdF, so he wasn't all bad. The stage 17 bonk has be credited way too many calories and a destroyed stomach by Pogacar himself. This sounds realistic to me, as he of course would be nervous about going against Jonas on such a day, given there history.

 

[Oldermanish]

I really have no horse in this race, but I did read up on this recently. Pogacar was going to take a break and start building up a new peak the day after the crash. He was on the home trainer about one week after. Now what difference this made I have very little relatable experience to comment on. It's tricky commenting on breaks/fractures when you know nothing really. It's could be the bone sticking out or a very fine hairline, we don't really know.

What I do know is we mostly saw the best performances ever from him at the TdF, so he wasn't all bad. The stage 17 bonk has be credited way too many calories and a destroyed stomach by Pogacar himself. This sounds realistic to me, as he of course would be nervous about going against Jonas on such a day, given there history.

All of which bode well for his recovery. If he could get some intensity into his workouts he could responably have built on what appeared to be excellent form. Most guys wouldn't have lasted a week in a GT; particularly the rougher roads. Since we don't have x-rays we can only guess that he didn't have surgical reconstruction for areas damaged that impinge nerve pathways that could not be mobilized or impacted.
Both my Son and Grandson have had surgery for impact-related damage. Both required a cast and no movement for 8 weeks. My Son still complains of the pain after doing impact work like hammering or strength work. My Grandson hasn't had any issues. He's a full body type and somewhat clumsy. He's tough but finds ways to break things with his body.

 

[Ricco']

Jonas also had a pulmonary contusion and pneumothorax, after further examinations.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1776175761776337183

View: https://twitter.com/vismaleaseabike/status/1776175761776337183

 

[Peyroteo94]

Jonas also had a pulmonary contusion and pneumothorax, after further examinations.

https://twitter.com/x/status/1776175761776337183

View: https://twitter.com/vismaleaseabike/status/1776175761776337183

Oh $hit!!! Tour is over. We have to wait if he can make it to the Vuelta and hope for a great recovery without long term limitations to his career