Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[theyoungest]

True in the sense that hes never matched a full strenght Pogacar without injuries ever in his life in that sense hes been lucky last years with other having injuries thats factual correct ofc.(latest time we saw em was PN 23) But unfortunately crashes is part of the sport and its Vingegaard beeing injured this time, its by far the worst part of the sport, it sucks whoever it is.

What do you mean, without injuries. Was Pogacar injured in the Tour 2022? Was he in 2021? Because in both years Vingegaard dropped him on the hardest stage of the race.

There's this idea that Pogi is the bigger talent because he makes it look easy and he smiles at the camera, unlike Vingegaard. So if Vingo beats him it has to be because of Pogi's suboptimal form and Visma's super strict training regime. But if you hear it from within the team (in interviews I mean, not the insider knowledge you claim to have) it's actually more a matter of making Vingo do as little as possible, rather than as much... suggesting he's just a super talent.

 

[jono]

What do you mean, without injuries. Was Pogacar injured in the Tour 2022? Was he in 2021? Because in both years Vingegaard dropped him on the hardest stage of the race.

There's this idea that Pogi is the bigger talent because he makes it look easy and he smiles at the camera, unlike Vingegaard. So if Vingo beats him it has to be because of Pogi's suboptimal form and Visma's super strict training regime. But if you hear it from within the team (in interviews I mean, not the insider knowledge you claim to have) it's actually more a matter of making Vingo do as little as possible, rather than as much... suggesting he's just a super talent.

What's talent supposed to mean here? I mean, doesn't everyone agree that Vingegaard is the better long duration, high elevation climber, especially in hot weather, while Pogacar has a wider range of strengths, incuding explosivity?

 

[RedheadDane]

They are from the same country, but they were from a different team. Pogi could not let him go.

Are you talking specifically Granon? Because if Pogacar had let Roglic go on that stage, then Roglic could very well have taken the jersey, and gone on to win the Tour, which would also have been great for the team.

 

[Froome]

Are you talking specifically Granon? Because if Pogacar had let Roglic go on that stage, then Roglic could very well have taken the jersey, and gone on to win the Tour, which would also have been great for the team.

On that case Pogacar could had let go Roglic because he was injured.

 

[RedheadDane]

On that case Pogacar could had let go Roglic because he was injured.

He probably thought Roglic's injuries weren't so bad, since both Roglic and Vingegaard each attacked like a million times...

 

[Froome]

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Matxin is really a "saboteur". He writed a comment on Visma post, wishing Vingegaard to recover fast 😀

Vingegaard's insta is alive, finally he posted a story.

 

[RedheadDane]

Matxin is really a "saboteur". He writed a comment on Visma post, wishing Vingegaard to recover fast 😀

TBF, I can't see the comments - and I would be too lazy to go through all almost-2000 of them anyway - but I wouldn't be surprised if Pogacar has written a comment, wishing Vingegaard to recover fast.

 

[Froome]

TBF, I can't see the comments - and I would be too lazy to go through all almost-2000 of them anyway - but I wouldn't be surprised if Pogacar has written a comment, wishing Vingegaard to recover fast.

Pogacar didn't write a comment, but he liked the post.

 

[SHAD0W93]

He was struck by imagined bad luck?

Sure, having your team demolished by sickness and crashes is imagined bad luck.

 

[ontheroad]

The Tour looks like an impossible dream which will come too early but there will be plenty of idle 'will he won't he' speculation in the meantime. The Vuelta could be a realistic target though and if he makes a full recovery he would be a big favourite to win it this year.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Pogacar didn't write a comment, but he liked the post.

Brutal.

 

[Froome]

Brutal.

A bit disappointing, salvarini would do better by saying "THE GOAT!" instead of "brutal".

 

[Samu Cuenca]

A bit disappointing, salvarini would do better by saying "THE GOAT!" instead of "brutal".

It would have been funny if Pogačar had posted GOAT in the comments.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

So what's the timetable now?

01.05

Grischa: Jonas started training with an intensity of 1 w/kg on a stationary bike. Most importantly he's healthy now. Hopefully he'll be back for the next season.

01.06

Grischa: Jonas is able to train with intensities higher than 1 w/kg and overtook a grandpa on a climb yesterday! No Tour of course but Vuelta isn't ruled out.

26.06

Grischa: Jonas reached some decent numbers during recent tests. We decided to take him as a superdomestique of Sepp. We treat it as pre-Vuelta preparation, no hopes for the GC.

21.07

Grischa: Jonas, show the world who's the strongest!

 

[Froome]

The Tour looks like an impossible dream which will come too early but there will be plenty of idle 'will he won't he' speculation in the meantime. The Vuelta could be a realistic target though and if he makes a full recovery he would be a big favourite to win it this year.

I don't rule him out yet for the Tour (at least until the team says he can't do the Tour), because 2 months and half is still a significant time. Let's see how he recover and how fast he can go to the turbo trainer.

 

[johnymax]

Imagine he doesn't make Le Tour, but can recover to appear at La Vuelta at full strength. Worst season in cycling history?

Best season ever if Rogla wins Le Tour. It'll bring joy to people all over the world.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Best season ever if Rogla wins Le Tour. It'll bring joy to people all over the world.

It may be Rogla's best chance since Tour 2020 and best till retirement. If he's able to prepare optimally and avoid crashes, that is.

 

[Froome]

It may be Rogla's best chance since Tour 2020, If he's able to prepare optimally and avoid setbacks.

Maybe Roglic winning the Tour 2020, is the only way of having the return of @CyclistAbi 😕

 

[bNator]

Maybe Roglic winning the Tour 2020, is the only way of having the return of @CyclistAbi 😕

What happened to them?

 

[Froome]

What happened to them?

I hope nothing happened. I just noticed that he hasn't appeared on the forum for a while.

 

[Elos Anjos]

What happened to them?

I know what happened, but I´ll likely get banned if I say it.

 

[bNator]

I know what happened, but I´ll likely get banned if I say it.

Sounds intriguing 🤨 not to encourage you to get banned, of course…

I mean I know he has a tendency to disappear for weeks if there’s nothing going on on the Rog front. So @Froome I wouldn’t worry too much, you’ll get your arch-nemesis back sooner or later…

 

[DNP-Old]

Best season ever if Rogla wins Le Tour. It'll bring joy to people all over the world.

Low hanging fruit, gonna have to do better than this.

 

[theyoungest]

What's talent supposed to mean here? I mean, doesn't everyone agree that Vingegaard is the better long duration, high elevation climber, especially in hot weather, while Pogacar has a wider range of strengths, incuding explosivity?

Vingegaard's Tour wins are mostly attributed to his team, and Pogi's to himself. That's sort of what I was getting at. And that includes Jumbo's almost monk-like preparation on altitude. But that may not actually be the decisive factor.

I guess we'll see this year, if Vingegaard still makes it to the Tour... even the staunchest Pogi fans would have to agree that Vingo's preparation was far from ideal, if he still manages to win there are no arguments left (who am I kidding, then it will be because Pogi raced the Giro before)

 

[bNator]

Low hanging fruit, gonna have to do better than this.

MvdP has had a couple of those what you would call low hanging fruits this season and no one seems to mind that much. To the contrary, I’ve heard people proclaiming him top racer of his generation.

If Rogla wins, he will have beaten Pog, Remco and a bunch of other worthy opponents at the tender age of almost 35. He will have been the second oldest TdF winner ever and the oldest in the last 100 years. Low hanging fruit indeed 🤣