Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Jagartrott]

The opportunity for a duel was there yesterday? What duel?

There was no opportunity for a GC duel because it was already lost, and the fight for the stage win was a chess game rather than a boxing match.

Both are natural outcomes.

If everybody raced like that, cycling would be long dead. There were possibilities both yesterday and the day before to at least try and put a dent in Pogacar's invincibility armor. Yesterday was too late for GC, but Vingegaard could've gone out fighting. Now, he looked terrible for most viewers, especially after all those big words.

 

[Gobbo]

When you're paid a very high salary to basically focus on only 1 race - this one - then I think it's extremely disappointing that this is all we viewers got. He is supposed to fade less than Pogacar in a 3-week race, and that may be true, but he didn't really use this. He didn't really test how good Pogacar still was. Over 5 HC climbs the past 2 days, he attacked for about 2 km. 2!

To read here and elsewhere that "Vingegaard gave it his all" and "he couldn't have done more", that is properly mind-boggling to me.

I agree. He tried all? Really?

If he had tried all he could have attacked 3-5 km. from the finish line on the big mountain stage thursday and then he would maybe have catched up O´Connor. And yesterday - don´t tell me that he could not have attacked 300 meters earlier, what would have been enough to catch up Arensman. But he waited to long....

People say he gave everything, but still he did have the force to attack for the last km, so he was not completely dead, afterall. And he had promised to go all in - so he should at least have tried to attack 3-5 km. from the top. He would not have lost anything by doing that, so there was no real risk in trying.

Vingegaard, contrary to Pogi, has only ONE goal every season, The Tour. So therefore it is fair to say that his season has been a failure, since he finished second in the Tour without winning even one stage.

But of course there is still the Vuelta, so he can still make up for the disappointing season. But until now his season has been disappointing.

 

[Red Rick]

If everybody raced like that, cycling would be long dead. There were possibilities both yesterday and the day before to at least try and put a dent in Pogacar's invincibility armor. Yesterday was too late for GC, but Vingegaard could've gone out fighting. Now, he looked terrible for most viewers, especially after all those big words.

Cycling has been long like that, and it's not dead.

 

[Rackham]

Vingegaard is riding the Vuelta. It's confirmed:

Jonas Vingegaard confirme qu'il sera au départ du Tour d'Espagne : « Hâte que la Vuelta commence »

Dauphin de Tadej Pogacar sur le Tour de France, Jonas Vingegaard n'a pas remporté la moindre victoire sur les routes hexagonales à la veille du dernier jour de course. Le Danois aura l'occasion de se rattraper sur le Tour d'Espagne, auquel il prendra bien part fin août.

www.lequipe.fr

 

[Red Rick]

Vingegaard is riding the Vuelta. It's confirmed:

Jonas Vingegaard confirme qu'il sera au départ du Tour d'Espagne : « Hâte que la Vuelta commence »

Dauphin de Tadej Pogacar sur le Tour de France, Jonas Vingegaard n'a pas remporté la moindre victoire sur les routes hexagonales à la veille du dernier jour de course. Le Danois aura l'occasion de se rattraper sur le Tour d'Espagne, auquel il prendra bien part fin août.

www.lequipe.fr

Gotta announce before Pogacar. The psychological warfare for 2026 starts yesterday

 

[Krzysztof_O]

The last chance tomorrow: either attack on the hill or hope Pogi does something stupid.

 

[Rackham]

Gotta announce before Pogacar. The psychological warfare for 2026 starts yesterday

I think their 'duel' would be more edible in the Vuelta than it is in the TdF. The parcours, types of climbs and roads - along with the teams that aren't so dominant (especially sprinter teams) could liberate them a little and give cycling fans something more exciting than what we're served in July.

In theory. But if Pog nopes out then it's going to be a walk in the park for Vingegaard. Not even Enric Mas in Vuelta mode could stop him (that's a joke by the way in case someone thinks I'm being literal here).

 

[Rou]

Gotta announce before Pogacar. The psychological warfare for 2026 starts yesterday

So Vingegaard says he is feeling okay and better than last year.
In the mean time Pog says he is totally exhausted mentally and physically.
Gotta love these mind games.
Vingegaard is playing the unbreakable blond scandinavian who doesn't cry, doesn't get tired and doesn't flinch.
Pog is playing the emotional guy who gets tired and needs to reset.

 

[BubbaChuck]

Vinge was never prepared to risk 2nd,lets be serius.Maybe visma was,but not jonas.Who do you think he is,pogacar.With that palmares he cant afford to risk second.Visma tried to destroy legs of everybody including jonas,cause thye realized that against fresh/semi fresh pog thye dont stand achance .Now they know its no different against tired pog too.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Vingo lost the main battle of the year but will win the Vuelta easily. He had an easy spring so probably should be fine for the GT double. Pogi likely won't take part and focus on WC and Lombardy.

 

[Red Rick]

I think their 'duel' would be more edible in the Vuelta than it is in the TdF. The parcours, types of climbs and roads - along with the teams that aren't so dominant (especially sprinter teams) could liberate them a little and give cycling fans something more exciting than what we're served in July.

In theory. But if Pog nopes out then it's going to be a walk in the park for Vingegaard. Not even Enric Mas in Vuelta mode could stop him (that's a joke by the way in case someone thinks I'm being literal here).

The Vuelta route isn't very good, so it wouldn't be much better.

The reason it would be interesting is specifically because they're both tired from the Tour, so it would add context about how tired they are now.

Secondly, the idea of Vingegaard mowing down the likes of Almeida and Enricky Mas isn't that appealing.

 

[Red Rick]

So Vingegaard says he is feeling okay and better than last year.
In the mean time Pog says he is totally exhausted mentally and physically.
Gotta love these mind games.
Vingegaard is playing the unbreakable blond scandinavian who doesn't cry, doesn't get tired and doesn't flinch.
Pog is playing the emotional guy who gets tired and needs to reset.

They are both clearly very tired. But I'd think Pogacar peaked a little earlier and is burning out a little quicker than Vingegaard.

Mostly though, Pogacar can always choose 1 day targets, which he likes more, whereas Vingegaard basically is a pure stage racer and so if he wants to have another big target this year it's always gonna be La Vuelta.

 

[iBanesto]

Vingegaard is riding the Vuelta. It's confirmed:

Jonas Vingegaard confirme qu'il sera au départ du Tour d'Espagne : « Hâte que la Vuelta commence »

Dauphin de Tadej Pogacar sur le Tour de France, Jonas Vingegaard n'a pas remporté la moindre victoire sur les routes hexagonales à la veille du dernier jour de course. Le Danois aura l'occasion de se rattraper sur le Tour d'Espagne, auquel il prendra bien part fin août.

www.lequipe.fr

So that is what Vingegaard meant when he said "the Tour is not over"... the Tour of Spain.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

They are both clearly very tired. But I'd think Pogacar peaked a little earlier and is burning out a little quicker than Vingegaard.

Mostly though, Pogacar can always choose 1 day targets, which he likes more, whereas Vingegaard basically is a pure stage racer and so if he wants to have another big target this year it's always gonna be La Vuelta.

Pogacar peaked for Flandres + Roubaix double and followed with Ardennes triple while Vingo was in his chamber. Its logical that Vingo should have more in tank.

 

[Rule #9 apostle]

Cycling has been long like that, and it's not dead.

Cyclists are probably the most consistently petty athletes in the world

 

[Red Rick]

Pogacar peaked for Flandres + Roubaix double and followed with Ardennes triple while Vingo was in his chamber. Its logical that Vingo should have more in tank.

If it was that much more I'd think we would have seen more impact in the Alps by Vingegaard, though maybe that just got *** by Pogacar weather.

Pogacar seems to not think he can do Vuelta + Worlds + Lombardia, or he just doesn't wanna risk it cause reasons. Probably cause he doesn't like racing Grand Tours when it's against Vingegaard and not Dani Martinez or as much as wafflestomping his way through insanely hard WC routes that now suddenly magically appear every year.

 

[Salvarani]

If it was that much more I'd think we would have seen more impact in the Alps by Vingegaard, though maybe that just got *** by Pogacar weather.

Pogacar seems to not think he can do Vuelta + Worlds + Lombardia, or he just doesn't wanna risk it cause reasons. Probably cause he doesn't like racing Grand Tours when it's against Vingegaard and not Dani Martinez or as much as wafflestomping his way through insanely hard WC routes that now suddenly magically appear every year.

It is because he raced the classics in the spring, but keep at it.

 

[Valv.Piti]

I'd like to wafflestomp some 5k desnivel world courses as well, sounds fun andeasy

 

[Red Rick]

It is because he raced the classics in the spring, but keep at it.

For 26 years the Giro every cyclist in the world considered the Giro the worst preperation in the World for the Tour. Until magically Pogacar needed an excuse for losing a race one day then doing the Giro instantly became the superior preperation. It is absolutely mindblowing how Tadej Pogacar operates at the cutting edge of not only sports science, but also logic itself. The man may just be the bicycling counterargument to Gödel's incompleteness theorem

I'd like to wafflestomp some 5k desnivel world courses as well, sounds fun andeasy

Well we're not God's chosen, so I guess we'll never know what it feels like, but I guess it's like going to chess.com, playing against the 250 elo bot and winning the game because it's that mindblowingly easy.

 

[Salvarani]

For 26 years the Giro every cyclist in the world considered the Giro the worst preperation in the World for the Tour. Until magically Pogacar needed an excuse for losing a race one day then doing the Giro instantly became the superior preperation. It is absolutely mindblowing how Tadej Pogacar operates at the cutting edge of not only sports science, but also logic itself. The man may just be the bicycling counterargument to Gödel's incompleteness theorem


Well we're not God's chosen, so I guess we'll never know what it feels like, but I guess it's like going to chess.com, playing against the 250 elo bot and winning the game because it's that mindblowingly easy.

Who has ever said it is "superior-preparation"?

Who have said this? Can you back up these claims with some actual sources for us all?

You are also just going to conveniently disregard that his main opponents in the Tour crashed heavily in April that year?

He also raced a very light schedule prior to it and only faced, by your own words, Dani Martinez in that Giro.

He may just be tired because he did all classics this year, I guess it just doesnt suit your narrative. Look he is tired, another thing put to bed.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

For 26 years the Giro every cyclist in the world considered the Giro the worst preperation in the World for the Tour. Until magically Pogacar needed an excuse for losing a race one day then doing the Giro instantly became the superior preperation.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Vingegaard is riding the Vuelta. It's confirmed:

Jonas Vingegaard confirme qu'il sera au départ du Tour d'Espagne : « Hâte que la Vuelta commence »

Dauphin de Tadej Pogacar sur le Tour de France, Jonas Vingegaard n'a pas remporté la moindre victoire sur les routes hexagonales à la veille du dernier jour de course. Le Danois aura l'occasion de se rattraper sur le Tour d'Espagne, auquel il prendra bien part fin août.

www.lequipe.fr

Good call. If he’s not careful, he’ll retire as a truly great GC rider who could beat most any leading rider from prior generations but with *only* 2 Tours to his name.

Vinge was never prepared to risk 2nd,lets be serius.Maybe visma was,but not jonas.Who do you think he is,pogacar.With that palmares he cant afford to risk second.Visma tried to destroy legs of everybody including jonas,cause thye realized that against fresh/semi fresh pog thye dont stand achance .Now they know its no different against tired pog too.

I don’t think he was worried about being overtaken for second; I think he just thought there was 0 chance of overtaking Pogacar, to be fair. However, I agree: I wish he’d tried. My main Primoz at least threw away his placement Contador style, and his reputation,m in some quarters. In the quest for even lesser potential glory.

 

[CyclistAbi]

So Jonas is doing Vuelta and somehow i doubt UAE will just hand it to him without a proper fight. I wouldn't be surprised if Pogi ends up doing it too. At least to keep Jonas at bay. Remco would be an interesting addition, least hope i have is with Rogla, only due to doing Giro and Tour already.

We'll see.

 

[aruipksni]

So Jonas is doing Vuelta and somehow i doubt UAE will just hand it to him without a proper fight. I wouldn't be surprised if Pogi ends up doing it too. At least to keep Jonas at bay. Remco would be an interesting addition, least hope i have is with Rogla, only due to doing Giro and Tour already.

We'll see.

i don't see why UAE should risk their golden goose in less a important race like the Vuelta.
one of the reasons of this race is to give a last chance for the guys who failed or weren't picked to the Giro, or the Tour. they have so many good riders that they can send there instead, that can beat a tired and humiliated jonas.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

If it was that much more I'd think we would have seen more impact in the Alps by Vingegaard, though maybe that just got *** by Pogacar weather.

Pogacar prepared to peak for this Tour and his form was good enough to weather any Vingo attack (it seemed to worsen at the end though). By "less in tank" I meant he would be more likely to fade at some point of the Vuelta due to season schedule.