Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[repre]

It's completing hit GT set.

Yes, but he wouldn't care about it if he could win TDF.

 

[AmRacer]

Yes, but he wouldn't care about it if he could win TDF.

Maybe , but he probably doesn't get so many more opportunities to win the Giro.

 

[repre]

Maybe , but he probably doesn't get so many more opportunities to win the Giro.

I didn't say he shouldn't race Giro, it's wise choice. But for me it's telling that Visma gave up on the battle with Pogi. TDF means 100 times more for them and if they thought they can win Tour they would focus on it.

 

[AmRacer]

I didn't say he shouldn't race Giro, it's wise choice. But for me it's telling that Visma gave up on the battle with Pogi. TDF means 100 times more for them and if they thought they can win Tour they would focus on it.

Visma has won at least one GT every year, so they wants to win one this season too. They don't have any other rider that can win so...

 

[awavey]

Winning the Tour even once trumps Evenepoel's entire palmares. The Tour is cycling's holy grail.

That doesn't necessarily mean it's the best or most entertaining race. The final of the World Cup in football often isn't very entertaining either. But it's the one everybody wants to win.

Not convinced they do thesedays, for sure if you get to the final, but its more club than country now. and the fact you only get maybe 3 or 4 goes in your whole career if you are lucky, vs 10 at your peak for a TdF, 15 over a long career.

Champions league final is where its at for footballers

 

[Cycling111]

Not convinced they do thesedays, for sure if you get to the final, but its more club than country now. and the fact you only get maybe 3 or 4 goes in your whole career if you are lucky, vs 10 at your peak for a TdF, 15 over a long career.

Champions league final is where its at for footballers

No. WC is far superior to the Champions League. Every footballer who has won both say that.

 

[Cookster15]

It's not like he can chose what to win in 2026. He gets what Pogi doesn't want. He knows that, Pogi knowns that.

Vingo riding Giro is capitulation.

Careful. As Red Rick implies, that's almost word for word what some Vingegaard fans were saying when Pogacar announced he would ride the 2024 Giro.

I think we need to be fair. Jonas and his team are making realistic goals and winning the Giro would be a career GT slam for him and Visma. There is no harm riding the Giro IMO. He hasn't targeted that race before, his strengths suit that race and if he recovers has a chance to at least make the TdF a contest. You never know until you try.

Vingo was always known for his strong recovery. Remember when he won the 2023 Tour easily he rode in support of his teamate at the Vuelta but many think he could have gone back to back GTs if he wanted to. He will be 30 for next season but he can still push his ceiling higher than we have seen. And there are no guarantees Pogi can replicate his level seen the last two years even if Pog is the younger of the two.

Hence why I think saying riding the Giro is capitulation is being unfair.

 

[Red Rick]

Realistically, caputilation would be racing Giro and Vuelta. But his 2023 and 2025 Vuelta's should by all means at least give confidence for hitting a good shape in the Giro, especially when that Giro should be a cakewalk if he shows up in July form.

 

[tobydawq]

Saying he wouldn't have finished in 2nd if Pedersen didn't have a flat is silly and stupid specially when Pedersen never showed power enough to compete with Pogacar.

On flat roads?

 

[theyoungest]

Not convinced they do thesedays, for sure if you get to the final, but its more club than country now. and the fact you only get maybe 3 or 4 goes in your whole career if you are lucky, vs 10 at your peak for a TdF, 15 over a long career.

Champions league final is where its at for footballers

I'm pretty sure, like Evenepoel and the Tour, that Virgil van Dijk would gladly trade his Champions League win with Liverpool for the World Cup with the Netherlands.

It's also simply a much bigger tournament. It's the biggest sports event in the world. Like the Tour is by far the most watched race in cycling.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

It's not like he can chose what to win in 2026. He gets what Pogi doesn't want. He knows that, Pogi knowns that.

Vingo riding Giro is capitulation.

Careful. As Red Rick implies, that's almost word for word what some Vingegaard fans were saying when Pogacar announced he would ride the 2024 Giro.

I think we need to be fair. Jonas and his team are making realistic goals and winning the Giro would be a career GT slam for him and Visma. There is no harm riding the Giro IMO. He hasn't targeted that race before, his strengths suit that race and if he recovers has a chance to at least make the TdF a contest. You never know until you try.

Vingo was always known for his strong recovery. Remember when he won the 2023 Tour easily he rode in support of his teamate at the Vuelta but many think he could have gone back to back GTs if he wanted to. He will be 30 for next season but he can still push his ceiling higher than we have seen. And there are no guarantees Pogi can replicate his level seen the last two years even if Pog is the younger of the two.

Hence why I think saying riding the Giro is capitulation is being unfair.

I’ll be honest, I was adamant that Pogi riding the Giro in 2024 was a big hedge and essentially a capitulation. I was shocked by what happened in that 2024 Tour. This time though…

 

[P4rthen0n]

Vingegaard is right riding the Giro.
Since Pogacar isn't there, Vingegaard is the clear and absolute favorite to win it.
If he is healthy, he absolutely should not waste this chance to win a GT and complete the Grand Slam.

And then he goes to the Tour. Who knows what happens there...

This is not capitulation. This is Vingegaard being strategical and looking out for his career achievements.

 

[Salvarani]

Vinge is literally riding to tick off the Giro. Then he has won all GTs.

After that, who knows.

 

[repre]

Realistically, caputilation would be racing Giro and Vuelta. But his 2023 and 2025 Vuelta's should by all means at least give confidence for hitting a good shape in the Giro, especially when that Giro should be a cakewalk if he shows up in July form.

For Visma Tour podium is still more valuable than Vuelta's title. It's not that hard to understand.

Ok, capitulation may sound harsh. Hedge is more preferable word to some.

 

[repre]

Vinge is literally riding to tick off the Giro. Then he has won all GTs.

After that, who knows.

After that, who knows he will be 2nd or 3rd at Tour.

Fixed it for you

 

[AmRacer]

For Visma Tour podium is still more valuable than Vuelta's title. It's not that hard to understand.

Ok, capitulation may sound harsh. Hedge is more preferable word to some.

Visma will podium the Tour, don't worry.

 

[AmRacer]

After that, who knows he will be 2nd or 3rd at Tour.

Fixed it for you

Remco for second?

 

[repre]

Remco for second?

Only UAE domestic can be second.

 

[Extinction]

Remco for second?

Who could it be? My guess is we don't know until further evidence. My God, I wish the season still had an EVOLUTION, not this AI algorithm stuff. Where is the suspense to keep US riveted? So boreing.

 

[AmRacer]

Only UAE domestic can be second.

Giro, Jonas
Tour, Tadej
Vuelta, Roglic

 

[canina82]

The difference between Pogacar and Vingegaard in 2023 was much smaller than the gap between Pogacar and Vingegaard in 2025.

 

[Red Rick]

The difference between Pogacar and Vingegaard in 2023 was much smaller than the gap between Pogacar and Vingegaard in 2025.

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2025

Rnk	Prev	▼▲	Rider	Team	UCI	Pnt		Time
1	1	-	Pogačar Tadej	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	1300	500	52″	76:00:32
2	2	-	Vingegaard Jonas	Team Visma | Lease a Bike	1040	380	34″	4:24

2023

Rnk	Prev	▼▲	Rider	Team	UCI	Pnt		Time
1	1	-	Vingegaard Jonas	Jumbo-Visma	1300	500	29″	82:05:42
2	2	-	Pogačar Tadej	UAE Team Emirates	1040	380	51″	7:29

If you want to discuss capitulation, there is always Pogacar on Col de la Loze

 

[canina82]

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2025

Rnk	Prev	▼▲	Rider	Team	UCI	Pnt		Time
1	1	-	Pogačar Tadej	UAE Team Emirates - XRG	1300	500	52″	76:00:32
2	2	-	Vingegaard Jonas	Team Visma | Lease a Bike	1040	380	34″	4:24

2023

Rnk	Prev	▼▲	Rider	Team	UCI	Pnt		Time
1	1	-	Vingegaard Jonas	Jumbo-Visma	1300	500	29″	82:05:42
2	2	-	Pogačar Tadej	UAE Team Emirates	1040	380	51″	7:29

If you want to discuss capitulation, there is always Pogacar on Col de la Loze

I knew someone would use this argument. Only a fool can think 2023 Vingegaard was more dominant than 2024 and 2025 Pogacar.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

2014 Nibali is more dominant than both

 

[YavorD]

2014 Nibali is more dominant than both

Luckier you mean again, no?
Italian Steve Bradbury (now that I think about it...Nibali literally Steve Bradbury'd his way to win that Tour) couldn't even put 10 minutes on 110 years old Jean-Christophe Peraud.

Edit: (don't hate me for telling the truth please)