Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Unchained]

Vingegaard is an amazing rider.
He's always focused. He's never caught in any sort of peloton break. He's never distracted when someone attacks. He's always in a perfect or near perfect position at the start of a climb. He knows where every intermediate sprint is.
It takes a huge effort (and mental toll) to be that focused every single day in a GT. Not many riders can do it. In fact, other than himself and Pogacar, i don't think there's other GC riders like that.

While you have listed many things positive about Jonas, I would balance all the qualities you catalog and add that sprinting in a 36x34 is ineffective, great to have fantastic cadence, but you also need some resistance to push against! Lol! Starts at 5:30 in the clip

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=HGqW_v65sAs&pp=ygUTdmluZ2VnYWFyZCBNYXJ0aW5letIHCQnFCgGHKiGM7w%3D%3D

 

[HashRouge]

"It was about attacking on the last climb and seeing who could keep up and then working with them. I had the plan to take the green jersey from the morning. In that respect, it was perfect. For me it was also about getting home safely"

Understandable or a classic bit of Rem-cope, who knows. We will see in 2 weeks. He does look better at this point this year, however not at Basque 2023 level where he was mutant.

Wasn't he on top form in Spring 2024 as well? I have memories of him looking really good at Tirreno.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Vingegaard is an amazing rider.
He's always focused. He's never caught in any sort of peloton break. He's never distracted when someone attacks. He's always in a perfect or near perfect position at the start of a climb. He knows where every intermediate sprint is.
It takes a huge effort (and mental toll) to be that focused every single day in a GT. Not many riders can do it. In fact, other than himself and Pogacar, i don't think there's other GC riders like that.

He also gets a lot of help from the team to ensure he’s always in a good to great position.

 

[Netserk]

He also gets a lot of help from the team to ensure he’s always in a good to great position.

watch van aert for how much that gets you

 

[Oldman]

Vingegaard is an amazing rider.
He's always focused. He's never caught in any sort of peloton break. He's never distracted when someone attacks. He's always in a perfect or near perfect position at the start of a climb. He knows where every intermediate sprint is.
It takes a huge effort (and mental toll) to be that focused every single day in a GT. Not many riders can do it. In fact, other than himself and Pogacar, i don't think there's other GC riders like that.

Mathieu Vanderpoel. He can appear out of nowhere or be right in front of you. Either way; not much you can do to counter his skills. I know he's not a GC guy but that's because....he doesn't have to be.

I am being serious here; but Roglic seems equally gifted right up to a point of disaster. He no longer contests GC sprints unless it's for time and on his terrain. I'm hopeful he can make that happen.

 

[SHAD0W93]

watch van aert for how much that gets you

Just because Vingegaard is better than WVA at following moves and staying up front doesn’t negate how helpful his team has been at setting him up for success.

 

[P4rthen0n]

Mathieu Vanderpoel. He can appear out of nowhere or be right in front of you. Either way; not much you can do to counter his skills. I know he's not a GC guy but that's because....he doesn't have to be.

I am being serious here; but Roglic seems equally gifted right up to a point of disaster. He no longer contests GC sprints unless it's for time and on his terrain. I'm hopeful he can make that happen.

MVDP too, but he's not a GC rider.
MVDP can afford to have off days in GTs, while Vingegaard and Pogacar never do. It's hard to do that every single day you get on the bike.

 

[Offline]

So tired of hearing Vingegaard complaining about safety after every single stage. Maybe you should find a different sport? His view and wishes of the sport would be cycling's end if he was the boss.

 

[Red Rick]

Looked strong today. He doesn't get enough credit for how alert he races. He rarely misses a split or goes through an important section in a bad position.

 

[Netserk]

Just because Vingegaard is better than WVA at following moves and staying up front doesn’t negate how helpful his team has been at setting him up for success.

today was yet another example of how vingegaard does almost all the work himself with his team trying to catch on

 

[CyclistAbi]

So tired of hearing Vingegaard complaining about safety after every single stage. Maybe you should find a different sport? His view and wishes of the sport would be cycling's end if he was the boss.

Jonas is in the right.

 

[Squire]

today was yet another example of how vingegaard does almost all the work himself with his team trying to catch on

Piganzoli was saving his legs for the sprint.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

The great sportsmanship of refusing to win, people in other sports should take note, if your opponent scores an own goal, you better hurry to give that advantage back. Red Bull should try alternating crashes on the climbs, maybe Jonas will forget to attack. And if this is because he‘s sure he‘ll win anyway, then it‘s just disrespectful to not take advantage of the mistakes.

 

[AmRacer]

The great sportsmanship of refusing to win, people in other sports should take note, if your opponent scores an own goal, you better hurry to give that advantage back. Red Bull should try alternating crashes on the climbs, maybe Jonas will forget to attack. And if this is because he‘s sure he‘ll win anyway, then it‘s just disrespectful to not take advantage of the mistakes.

Jonas will be disoriented.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

To me it looked like he would most likely have been caught before the line anyway, so it feels like an empty gesture. However, I do think it's totally fair to stop pedaling in such a situation. Had it been slightly closer to the finish then it would have been a different matter m

 

[Netserk]

To me it looked like he would most likely have been caught before the line anyway

for real ???

 

[Samu Cuenca]

for real ???

Yes. The gap was 5-6 seconds at the roundabout and the peloton was always going to ride faster than him during the sprint. The INEOS leadout was pretty decent.

 

[ashhutch1997]

Jonas was right not to ride IMO, the next few stages are so hard this race will be decided in minutes.

 

[YavorD]

Jonas was right not to ride IMO, the next few stages are so hard this race will be decided in minutes.

Depending on the forecast for the next few stages though.

 

[SHAD0W93]

today was yet another example of how vingegaard does almost all the work himself with his team trying to catch on

That’s why he finished same time after his lovely excursion when he could have used his team to put time into his main rival?

 

[Sciatic]

today was yet another example of how vingegaard does almost all the work himself with his team trying to catch on

Well, his team was there for him but the Visma in front of him couldn’t hold Remco’s wheel, prompting Ving to go around him thereby dropping his other teammates as he surged to get on Remco’s wheel.

 

[Heston]

Jonas is too nice of a person. He should have taken the win when Remco crashed due to his own mkstake.

 

[Netserk]

Well, his team was there for him but the Visma in front of him couldn’t hold Remco’s wheel, prompting Ving to go around him thereby dropping his other teammates as he surged to get on Remco’s wheel.

we were talking about positioning ( so only relevant before it split )

vingegaard did most of it on his own with his helpers behind him

he is very alert and dont need an armchair ride by teammates to stay in front when it matters

 

[Berniece]

He's such a boring rider, but there was no reason for him to ride. Don't understand why he didn't just do nothing in the wheel of Evenepoel. Tactically it made even less sense to just do a couple of turns.

 

[Netserk]

Yes. The gap was 5-6 seconds at the roundabout and the peloton was always going to ride faster than him during the sprint. The INEOS leadout was pretty decent.

6.5 " gap while the peloton needed 33 " from there to the finish

i dont think the peloton was likely to ride 20 % faster ( 73 % greater w / cda ) , including taking the roundabout , after vingegaard had been in the draft the previous ~ 8 km