Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[kn0s]

Or pogacar is just better than he was in 2023 when he rode with a broken wrist. Might be wild to think but I think so.

When people talk about their rivalry and history. They include pogi getting dropped like a stone on Ventoux in 21, getting completely dominated in 22. This wrist you like so much is a small part of the story.

 

[Medvind]

We still haven’t seen a really long effort. Tomorrow and Bonette/Isola will be far more telling. Still hasn’t been much altitude and today was cold, just not hard enough conditions to know how the next week will go.

Hard to see a turnaround tomorrow, didn't look that good in the end. If it will happen more likely it will be on Bonette/Isola. But I still wonder if he has the team to make it really hard, wasn't impressed today.

 

[Mayomaniac]

The title is wrong, the mountain sprinter is clearly the other guy.

Vingegaard lacks the acceleration (more than usual) after his injury and his descending is not as good at it used too (understandable after that crash).

 

[Heston]

But I read from the same vingegaard people so many times that they only use 2023 as reference

Thats not true though. There is also the 2022 Tour and Ventoux 2021 to showcase that Vinge is clearly better on long efforts uphill in the Tour.

But I agree that it makes no sense to think Vinge will win tomorrow when he is clearly far from top shape.

 

[Medvind]

Hindsight, maybe it wasn't so smart to ride so hard for van Aert yesterday. Maybe they overestimated Vinge's ability to recover given his lack of prep. He looked a bit cooked in the end today.

 

[Heston]

Hindsight, maybe it wasn't so smart to ride so hard for van Aert yesterday. Maybe they overestimated Vinge's ability to recover given his lack of prep. He looked a bit cooked in the end today.

That didnt really matter in the end today when it was everyone for themselves.

I dont think Visma ever really expected Vinge to win the Tour given the injury. But of course they had some hope that maybe it could happen, which we now know it cant.

 

[SHAD0W93]

At least now we can see if Vingegaard truly can grow into the third week and use his better “recovery”. Still looking great from where he came from but this could be the cracks in the armor showing.

 

[Medvind]

Im not gonne lie to you in 2021 I didnt watch the stages. Know pogacar won easy. 2022 I know he beat himself i heard bruynel and other people say it and plenty of other neutral people say that including jumbo people even and 2023 is not relevant at all.

Keep in mind sometimes fresh eyes also is kinda nice to things like this (with history as you said)

Things like this which often impacts alot of preference/emotions fresh eyes doesnt need to be bad. I like you though your somewhat objective and know your stuff you might lean certain way of who you support but that I have no idea.

Beat himself... always an excuse. We get it, if everything is perfect Pog always win over Vinge.
I my eyes Vinge was just stronger than Pog on Hautacam 2022. Why is that so hard to confess that Vinge might acutally be better on certain occassions? I have no problem saying when Pog is stronger than Vinge, like on Puy de Dome last year.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Nice new thread title

I wasn't sure how people would react to this new alien concept of changing a thread title, so I'm happy to learn that it's appreciated 😅

 

[gregrowlerson]

I wasn't sure how people would react to this new alien concept of changing a thread title, so I'm happy to learn that it's appreciated 😅

Paying homage to a fallen former teammate.

 

[Medvind]

That didnt really matter in the end today when it was everyone for themselves.

I dont think Visma ever really expected Vinge to win the Tour given the injury. But of course they had some hope that maybe it could happen, which we now know it cant.

Sure it might have mattered, he might have been a bit fresher today which could have mattered in the end.

Everyone agreed that yesterday was really hard and Jumbo played a part in making it hard. Rembember that stage 12 was also hard and that was the day after the superhard stage 11. Given the team were a bit unsure how Vinge would recover due to lack of preperation, I think it was an unnecessary risk riding so hard yesterday, it was absurd to see Vinge on several occasions fighting by himself to get in right positions.

I'm not claiming anything as absurd that he would have followed Pog today if Jumbo LAB would have taken it more easy yesterday, but maybe he would have had slightly more power in the end.

 

[Didinho]

They thought he would be 2 minutes down, he got it now.

No just kidding. Mighty impressive ride again considering everything. But he’s gonna feel it tomorrow. Looked drained in the end.

 

[tobydawq]

He sounded a bit incredulous at Pogi's level after the finish.

 

[Valv.Piti]

He sounded a bit incredulous at Pogi's level after the finish.

Stop with the showmanship, wtf does that mean? I assume its something like its almost too good to believe or extremely impressed at it.

Im looking forward to see how Axelgaard spins this to Vingegaard still being the favourite

 

[tobydawq]

Stop with the showmanship, wtf does that mean? I assume its something like its almost too good to believe or extremely impressed at it.

Im looking forward to see how Axelgaard spins this to Vingegaard still being the favourite

Vantro in Danish

And yes, I also look forward to the same regarding Axelgaard.

 

[Bolder]

Sure it might have mattered, he might have been a bit fresher today which could have mattered in the end.

Everyone agreed that yesterday was really hard and Jumbo played a part in making it hard. Rembember that stage 12 was also hard and that was the day after the superhard stage 11. Given the team were a bit unsure how Vinge would recover due to lack of preperation, I think it was an unnecessary risk riding so hard yesterday, it was absurd to see Vinge on several occasions fighting by himself to get in right positions.

I'm not claiming anything as absurd that he would have followed Pog today if Jumbo LAB would have taken it more easy yesterday, but maybe he would have had slightly more power in the end.

I think all of Visma paid for yesterday's effort. But also, UAE simply has more cards to play than Visma, so they have a lot of tactical flexibility.

 

[Salvarani]

Week three, heat, sun, hard marathon racing, bla bla bla.

He doesn't have a chance now.

There is a word for someone changing their narrative and standpoint like that... which I think you are pointing out, but I had to go on a vacation the last time I used it. Just a friendly reminder, so you dont do the same.

 

[Summoned]

It’s not a perfect comparison, for a couple of reasons, but in the 2023 Tour, after stage 14 JV was up by 4:43 on Carlos Rodriguez. This year he is up 4:12 on him. Carlos Rodriguez seemed like the most consistent GC rider in the two Tours, so that is why I selected him for the comparison. It does not tell the whole story, but this comparison does provide some reason to think that JV is at pretty much the same level he was at in last year’s Tour.

 

[kn0s]

You a

Keep in mind im not saying that I refer to neutral people saying that I dont claim anything regarding 2022. I simply since I dont know rather choose to listen to people who are neutral there I dont know never claimed it either but that alot of profil in cycling which are neutral are saying that I tend to lean that way of thinking without claiming. I find that most logical for me when even teammates on Jumbo said it, think it was Nathan.
Again fresh eyes im not invested in this, well now I am kinda but not really I think you know what im saying.

Its not hard to do I think Vingegaard is much better than Pogacar in extreme heat 100%. But I would like to see him beat him in any terrain when its no excuse VALID excuse keep in mind if thats the case I dont think you think I wouldnt submit to that. Think you know what I mean.

You are setting up all these scenarios. If the sun and moon is like this, it's a fair fight, completely on your terms, always favoring Pogacar. We/I are not making things up, he has been beaten handedly before by Jonas. Yes, Pogi is the allround best road bike rider in the world, but he definitely is not unbeatable, as seen before.

 

[YavorD]

Honestly Vingegaard can't be really far off shape. Last year after 14 stages he had the same gap to CRod and he seems better than last year.

However, watching today's stage I started to think that 2022 was probably the best Vingegaard we've seen. Back then Pogacar couldn't even gap him on acceleration.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Something else to consider is that we haven't seen them having to go all out two days in a row in this race yet, so there is a chance that Vingegaard could be stronger/less weaker than Pogačar tomorrow. However he might not find out about that before Pogačar makes a move, and then it could be too late to take advantage of it. We'll see.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

yeah alot of nonsene narrative when the guy rode with a broken wrist its not hard to realize.

I agree with you. if Pogacar is at 100% and crash noone ever had a chance really thats just the reality of it.

Vingegaard certainly is dang close at 100% Pogi-2022 taught us that.

 

[Froome]

Just saw now the finish of the stage. I expected more of him today, he wasn't able to do his normal numbers on this min climbing effort, he is not at 100% yet.

Nevertheless, it's not over, and a lot of will happen until Nice.

It's wrong to celebrate ahead of time. 2 minutes can disappear in the snap of a finger, but a lot of people didn't learn with what happened in the last years.

 

[Bolder]

Whatever the relative shape of Pog and Jonas, UAE are leagues above Visma as a mountain team. Even without Ayuso, Soler, Almeida, Yates and maybe even Sivakov today were better than Kelderman and Jorgenson. Soler in particular was a monster. That makes a difference. Last couple of years it was the opposite. Visma is really missing Kuss and dare I say it, Roglic.

 

[HappyCycling]

Just saw now the finish of the stage. I expected more of him today, he wasn't able to do his normal numbers on this min climbing effort, he is not at 100% yet.

Nevertheless, it's not over, and a lot of will happen until Nice.

It's wrong to celebrate ahead of time. 2 minutes can disappear in the snap of a finger, but a lot of people didn't learn with what happened in the last years.

Nope - Jonas did some of his best numbers today. Simply got beaten by the better man.