Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Potomac]

slackers

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

Not great today, but don’t think it is over. Tomorrow is a big determination of that, with a hotter day and more vertical meters of climbing outside of the final climb.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

He's still clearly the second strongest rider in the race, but it won't be easy to win now. His team is not good enough either, it seems.

I don't really understand why he didn't glue himself to Pogačar's wheel before the attack. Not that it would have made much difference, but it still wasn't smart.

 

[meat puppet]

Expert analysis: the mountain sprint was a bit too long and also too short today.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

He's still clearly the second strongest rider in the race, but it won't be easy to win now. His team is not good enough either, it seems.

I don't really understand why he didn't glue himself to Pogačar's wheel before the attack. Not that it would have made much difference, but it still wasn't smart.

Won’t be easy, but he’s overcame so much to get this point that I would not put it past him. Just have a hunch that Pogi has a bad day at some point:

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Won’t be easy, but he’s overcame so much to get this point that I would not put it past him. Just have a hunch that Pogi has a bad day at some point:

He already had one, but only lost a second.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Pogačar said this was the strongest Vingegaard, what a liar!

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

He already had one, but only lost a second.

I don’t think that was a bad day, otherwise he wouldn’t have attacked on the Puy Mary.

 

[kn0s]

A little worse than expected, I was thinking 30sec. Was this the biggest gab pogi ever made on a MTF against GC Jonas?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I don’t think that was a bad day, otherwise he wouldn’t have attacked on the Puy Mary.

It's still the worst day he's had this year.

 

[Medvind]

Pog's poweradvantage on the lower gradients last 3-4k really hurt Vinge.

Earlier tours we have seen Vinge being able to respond to Pog's attack, on stage 11 and today he never really tried.

Clearly he lacks some form, and not a good sign he lost so much last couple of kilometers.

And his team... UAE is way stronger.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Pog's poweradvantage on the lower gradients last 3-4k really hurt Vinge.

Earlier tours we have seen Vinge being able to respond to Pog's attack, on stage 11 and today he never really tried.

Clearly he lacks some form, and not a good sign he lost so much last couple of kilometers.

And his team... UAE is way stronger.

Today he definitely tried to respond, but he just couldnt't.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

It's still the worst day he's had this year.

I definitely agree, though I don’t remember being too many bad Pogi days before Courchevel in 2023.

 

[Medvind]

Today he definitely tried to respond, but he just couldnt't.

Correct, I expressed it wrong.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

I definitely agree, though I don’t remember being too many bad Pogi days before Courchevel in 2023.

No, but he was almost 2 minutes behind at that point while now he's leading by that.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

No, but he was almost 2 minutes behind at that point while now he's leading by that.

Fair, but if the roles were reversed like this year do you think a similar outcome would occur is the question. I’m just trying to be an optimist for Jonas so I get if I sound a little loony.

 

[Heston]

Hes just not at top shape because of the injuries. Cannot sustain long efforts like the last 2 years.

He is riding for 2nd place now, which is still good considering the crash.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Fair, but if the roles were reversed like this year do you think a similar outcome would occur is the question.

There would definitely have been a difference in confidence levels between the two and their teams ahead of that stage. Whether that would have been enough for Pogačar to avoid a complete disaster, I obviously can't say.

 

[slim charles]

Hes just not at top shape because of the injuries. Cannot sustain long efforts like the last 2 years.

He is riding for 2nd place now, which is still good considering the crash.

I am sure he will still try to win, but yes, it wasn't really realistic to expect he would be at the same level after everything. Still a long way to go, but to be honest, it is easier to imagine he will lose more time rather than end up winning. But who knows, it wouldn't be unimaginable for Pogacar to have a bad day and everything turns around once more.

 

[ppanther92]

I lean towards thinking similar things would have happened today anyway but what Visma did yesterday was pretty braindead.

That said, and all team discussions aside, it seems Vingegaard actually lacks on the longer efforts after the injury.

 

[Nick2413]

We still haven’t seen a really long effort. Tomorrow and Bonette/Isola will be far more telling. Still hasn’t been much altitude and today was cold, just not hard enough conditions to know how the next week will go.

 

[gregrowlerson]

He's still clearly the second strongest rider in the race, but it won't be easy to win now. His team is not good enough either, it seems.

I don't really understand why he didn't glue himself to Pogačar's wheel before the attack. Not that it would have made much difference, but it still wasn't smart.

Nice new thread title

 

[tretiak]

Jonas didn't get any help from the motorcycle that Tadej got.

 

[ppanther92]

Or pogacar is just better than he was in 2023 when he rode with a broken wrist. Might be wild to think but I think so.

Agree, but if the injury argument is brought up, surely its valid for Vingegaard as well, no? Probably actually both things had to come together anyway - after all Vingegaard won the last two years with a huge margin.

 

[tobydawq]

He clearly doesn't have it on the long efforts.

But let's talk as if he's totally gonna take back 2 minutes on the long efforts

Week three, heat, sun, hard marathon racing, bla bla bla.

He doesn't have a chance now.