Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Love in Iberia

[Ilmaestro99]

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[RedheadDane]

Vingegaard is a very introverted guy, to such an extent that it wouldn't surprise me if he's somewhere on the spectrum, and some people can't handle that. That's fine.

It can be hard to handle that much awesome!

 

[scribers]

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Aso will shat themselves over this

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Why did Vingegaard pull in that echelon at 135 k to go and again when they restarted an echelon later and Pogačar was right there? He‘s going to lose the race because he‘s wasting energy.

 

[Froome]

Why did Vingegaard pull in that echelon at 135 k to go and again when they restarted an echelon later and Pogačar was right there? He‘s going to lose the race because he‘s wasting energy.

Vingegaard needs to continue to get the "hard miles", it's okay, and he can recover better after everybody being tired.

 

[ppanther92]

Why did Vingegaard pull in that echelon at 135 k to go and again when they restarted an echelon later and Pogačar was right there? He‘s going to lose the race because he‘s wasting energy.

That was a bit weird but fortunately for him, Pogacar decided to trump this by starting pulling himself and sprinting.

 

[kn0s]

Why did Vingegaard pull in that echelon at 135 k to go and again when they restarted an echelon later and Pogačar was right there? He‘s going to lose the race because he‘s wasting energy.

Do you know how echelons work?

Edit: removed snark

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Why did Vingegaard pull in that echelon at 135 k to go and again when they restarted an echelon later and Pogačar was right there? He‘s going to lose the race because he‘s wasting energy.

He's an all-new man now. Don't be surprised if we see him push Remco tomorrow or make backflips into the pool on Monday.

 

[TrekCyclist]

I can easily imagine what Johan Bruyneel will say about UAE's, Visma's and Quick Step's racing today.

 

[Vudy]

Vingegaard needs to continue to get the "hard miles", it's okay, and he can recover better after everybody being tired.

He could ride the Tour till Vuelta then head over to Spain. Imagine based on his recovery and getting stronger every day what he would do there...

 

[Samu Cuenca]

But it will be interesting to see if team's work today will hurt them tomorrow. UAE are of course weaker without Ayuso, and it might not matter much if the two mutants will be alone at the end anyway.

 

[Froome]

He could ride the Tour till Vuelta then head over to Spain. Imagine based on his recovery and getting stronger every day what he would do there...

Yes, he could have won the double Tour + Vuelta last year.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Yes, he could have won the double Tour + Vuelta last year.

Keep in mind that on Wednesday Vingo joined an elite group of the best sprinters. It's nice but I'm worried about his reduced aerobic capacity. Probably grupetto day tomorrow, with his fellas: Cav and co. GT double? Good joke!

 

[Froome]

Keep in mind that on Wednesday Vingo joined an elite group of the best sprinters. It's nice but I'm worried about his reduced aerobic capacity. Probably grupetto day tomorrow, with his fellas: Cav and co. GT double? Good joke!

Oh look what we've got here, a sceptic who doesn't want to believe in miracles!

 

[Medvind]

Bit puzzled by Visma LAB's tactics today, especially the all in for a van Aert victory. Seeing Jorgenson, Kelderman and Benoot driving in front and bring back attackers, and Vinge sometimes having to position himself without help, don't strike me as the smart riding when two tough stages in the pyrenees are coming up. Jorgenson and Keldermen are Vinge's climbing doms for christ sake. Now I see a risk of Vinge being isolated early on crucial climbs. and I also have a hard time seeing Visma LAB being capable of really putting Pog under pressure. Team might just not be fresh enough.

Or do I understand Visma's tactics wrong? Maybe a part of the tactics was to make the stage hard to try to tire Pog out before the pyreenes and/or the third week, thinking they have just as good (or better?) a of chance of doing it in crosswinds and on rollling terrain than as in the high mountains (because the team might be a bit weak for the mountains)?

Or are we seeing Jumbo LAB hybris here, thinking they can win GC even if they use some doms to ride hard van Aert.

Anyhow, they must have confidence that riding like today is not negative for Vinge relative his rivals and that his lack of preperation isn't a worry.

 

[Medvind]

Posted this in the Pog vs Vinge thread also:

And with the level Jonas Vingegaard has shown so far, there is reason to be pleased. But there is room for improvement for the Dane. That is the opinion of Visma's coach, Tim Heemskerk.

"When you look at his numbers, his recovery, and how he has ridden, if everything continues according to plan, there is room for improvement from here. We saw him improve, and we knew he would continue like that," Heemskerk tells Velo.

But even though they expected the Danish Tour winner to quickly reach a high level, he still managed to do something they hadn't seen coming.

"What I didn't expect was that he could win a sprint after such a tough day and on Pogacar's terrain. It was a great victory, not only for the stage or this Tour but also with a view to the coming years," he believes.

The stage win has only made Heemskerk believe even more in another Danish Tour victory.

"The sprint showed that he can win the Tour. Being able to develop that power after a day with so much fatigue and elevation change is a crucial test for these riders. It's a sign of the endurance necessary to win a Grand Tour," the coach explains.

 

[Medvind]

So maybe Pog's sprint weren't that weak, Vinge actually pushed some good watts in the sprint?

 

[Valv.Piti]

So maybe Pog's sprint weren't that weak, Vinge actually pushed some good watts in the sprint?

Both can be true - Vingegaard did a great sprint, but it was obvious that Pog was totally spent and was way worse than usual in that sprint

 

[Medvind]

Both can be true - Vingegaard did a great sprint, but it was obvious that Pog was totally spent and was way worse than usual in that sprint

Agree, but I also think some underestimate how much such a stage weakens the legs. It was like a really hard one day race where we sometimes see surprises in the sprint, Asgreen beating MVDP in Ronde for example.

 

[kn0s]

Pog beat frigging Pedersen at the end of a crazy hard Worlds race. What made him lose is the lack of 1-2 minutes of rest before the sprint because the finale was uphill, and the sprint itself was pretty steep and slow.

If they had finished on a flat stretch 1km after the end of the hill Pog still cleans it comfortably

Agree that he has a great sprint, but that one sprint is not the best example, Mads f'ed that up big time.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Agree that he has a great sprint, but that one sprint is not the best example, Mads f'ed that up big time.

Pogačar was also faster than Mads at MSR and in Stage 1 of the Tour. Obviously it‘s Vinge>Pog>Pedersen in sprints

 

[kn0s]

Pogačar was also faster than Mads at MSR and in Stage 1 of the Tour. Obviously it‘s Vinge>Pog>Pedersen in sprints

Of course, goes without saying.

 

[Medvind]

Probably not that good for Jumbo LAB that Ineos is weakened. Maybe they counted on Ineos to push the pace on some mountain stages for C-rod, but now Pidders is out and G is not well.

 

[Potomac]

Is the thread title changing everyday?

 

[RedheadDane]

Is the thread title changing everyday?

It's had this one since stage 11.