Teams & Riders Jonas Vingegaard thread: Mountain Sprinter

[Medvind]

That didnt really matter in the end today when it was everyone for themselves.

I dont think Visma ever really expected Vinge to win the Tour given the injury. But of course they had some hope that maybe it could happen, which we now know it cant.

Sure it might have mattered, he might have been a bit fresher today which could have mattered in the end.

Everyone agreed that yesterday was really hard and Jumbo played a part in making it hard. Rembember that stage 12 was also hard and that was the day after the superhard stage 11. Given the team were a bit unsure how Vinge would recover due to lack of preperation, I think it was an unnecessary risk riding so hard yesterday, it was absurd to see Vinge on several occasions fighting by himself to get in right positions.

I'm not claiming anything as absurd that he would have followed Pog today if Jumbo LAB would have taken it more easy yesterday, but maybe he would have had slightly more power in the end.

 

[Didinho]

They thought he would be 2 minutes down, he got it now.

No just kidding. Mighty impressive ride again considering everything. But he’s gonna feel it tomorrow. Looked drained in the end.

 

[tobydawq]

He sounded a bit incredulous at Pogi's level after the finish.

 

[Valv.Piti]

He sounded a bit incredulous at Pogi's level after the finish.

Stop with the showmanship, wtf does that mean? I assume its something like its almost too good to believe or extremely impressed at it.

Im looking forward to see how Axelgaard spins this to Vingegaard still being the favourite

 

[tobydawq]

Stop with the showmanship, wtf does that mean? I assume its something like its almost too good to believe or extremely impressed at it.

Im looking forward to see how Axelgaard spins this to Vingegaard still being the favourite

Vantro in Danish

And yes, I also look forward to the same regarding Axelgaard.

 

[Bolder]

Sure it might have mattered, he might have been a bit fresher today which could have mattered in the end.

Everyone agreed that yesterday was really hard and Jumbo played a part in making it hard. Rembember that stage 12 was also hard and that was the day after the superhard stage 11. Given the team were a bit unsure how Vinge would recover due to lack of preperation, I think it was an unnecessary risk riding so hard yesterday, it was absurd to see Vinge on several occasions fighting by himself to get in right positions.

I'm not claiming anything as absurd that he would have followed Pog today if Jumbo LAB would have taken it more easy yesterday, but maybe he would have had slightly more power in the end.

I think all of Visma paid for yesterday's effort. But also, UAE simply has more cards to play than Visma, so they have a lot of tactical flexibility.

 

[Salvarani]

Week three, heat, sun, hard marathon racing, bla bla bla.

He doesn't have a chance now.

There is a word for someone changing their narrative and standpoint like that... which I think you are pointing out, but I had to go on a vacation the last time I used it. Just a friendly reminder, so you dont do the same.

 

[James M]

Week three, heat, sun, hard marathon racing, bla bla bla.

He doesn't have a chance now.

yeah alot of nonsene narrative when the guy rode with a broken wrist its not hard to realize.

I agree with you. if Pogacar is at 100% and unless he crash noone ever had a chance really thats just the reality of it.

 

[Summoned]

It’s not a perfect comparison, for a couple of reasons, but in the 2023 Tour, after stage 14 JV was up by 4:43 on Carlos Rodriguez. This year he is up 4:12 on him. Carlos Rodriguez seemed like the most consistent GC rider in the two Tours, so that is why I selected him for the comparison. It does not tell the whole story, but this comparison does provide some reason to think that JV is at pretty much the same level he was at in last year’s Tour.

 

[kn0s]

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Keep in mind im not saying that I refer to neutral people saying that I dont claim anything regarding 2022. I simply since I dont know rather choose to listen to people who are neutral there I dont know never claimed it either but that alot of profil in cycling which are neutral are saying that I tend to lean that way of thinking without claiming. I find that most logical for me when even teammates on Jumbo said it, think it was Nathan.
Again fresh eyes im not invested in this, well now I am kinda but not really I think you know what im saying.

Its not hard to do I think Vingegaard is much better than Pogacar in extreme heat 100%. But I would like to see him beat him in any terrain when its no excuse VALID excuse keep in mind if thats the case I dont think you think I wouldnt submit to that. Think you know what I mean.

You are setting up all these scenarios. If the sun and moon is like this, it's a fair fight, completely on your terms, always favoring Pogacar. We/I are not making things up, he has been beaten handedly before by Jonas. Yes, Pogi is the allround best road bike rider in the world, but he definitely is not unbeatable, as seen before.

 

[YavorD]

Honestly Vingegaard can't be really far off shape. Last year after 14 stages he had the same gap to CRod and he seems better than last year.

However, watching today's stage I started to think that 2022 was probably the best Vingegaard we've seen. Back then Pogacar couldn't even gap him on acceleration.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Something else to consider is that we haven't seen them having to go all out two days in a row in this race yet, so there is a chance that Vingegaard could be stronger/less weaker than Pogačar tomorrow. However he might not find out about that before Pogačar makes a move, and then it could be too late to take advantage of it. We'll see.

 

[Jumbo Visma Fan :)]

yeah alot of nonsene narrative when the guy rode with a broken wrist its not hard to realize.

I agree with you. if Pogacar is at 100% and crash noone ever had a chance really thats just the reality of it.

Vingegaard certainly is dang close at 100% Pogi-2022 taught us that.

 

[James M]

Vingegaard certainly is dang close at 100% Pogi-2022 taught us that.

Pogacar is better now not to say Vingegaard isnt better aswell but I suspect the gap has only increased but suspect is the word I cant know that. But 2022 was the best measurement atleast but still when Jumbo people say Pogacar beat himself I would more say he is himself his biggest threath but thats just my two cents. Indeed Vingegaard is the closest and a dang good GT rider thats not hard to see even though I dont pariticular like his riding style thats not to say he isnt darn good.

But anyone using 2023 as reference its been alot of twisting of narratives there which simply never was pogacar level which in reality didnt need to be explained but still and it shows this year very evidently which only was logical from the gecko. The guy is even doing it with the giro in his legs which is also unheard of.

 

[Froome]

Just saw now the finish of the stage. I expected more of him today, he wasn't able to do his normal numbers on this min climbing effort, he is not at 100% yet.

Nevertheless, it's not over, and a lot of will happen until Nice.

It's wrong to celebrate ahead of time. 2 minutes can disappear in the snap of a finger, but a lot of people didn't learn with what happened in the last years.

 

[Bolder]

Whatever the relative shape of Pog and Jonas, UAE are leagues above Visma as a mountain team. Even without Ayuso, Soler, Almeida, Yates and maybe even Sivakov today were better than Kelderman and Jorgenson. Soler in particular was a monster. That makes a difference. Last couple of years it was the opposite. Visma is really missing Kuss and dare I say it, Roglic.

 

[HappyCycling]

Just saw now the finish of the stage. I expected more of him today, he wasn't able to do his normal numbers on this min climbing effort, he is not at 100% yet.

Nevertheless, it's not over, and a lot of will happen until Nice.

It's wrong to celebrate ahead of time. 2 minutes can disappear in the snap of a finger, but a lot of people didn't learn with what happened in the last years.

Nope - Jonas did some of his best numbers today. Simply got beaten by the better man.

 

[James M]

Nope - Jonas did some of his best numbers today. Simply got beaten by the better man.

Exaclty now that Pogacar isnt ridding with a fractured wrist the narrative can longer even be entertained not that it ever needed to be explained to anyone who was neutral but yeah still. Hardly surprise to anyone that Pogacar is better than 2023 levels now that he isnt riding with a fractured wrist, who woulda thougt

Also read the performance today of pogacar was the best climbing performance of this century with the giro in his legs thats insane.

 

[Cookster15]

Something else to consider is that we haven't seen them having to go all out two days in a row in this race yet, so there is a chance that Vingegaard could be stronger/less weaker than Pogačar tomorrow. However he might not find out about that before Pogačar makes a move, and then it could be too late to take advantage of it. We'll see.

Maybe. But with the interrupted prep he's had I doubt it. People forget when Vingegaard won the last two Tours he had a perfect season. Not this time. He was in hospital with a punctured lung not that long ago.

 

[RedheadDane]

Exaclty now that Pogacar isnt ridding with a fractured wrist the narrative can longer even be entertained not that it ever needed to be explained to anyone who was neutral but yeah still. Hardly surprise to anyone that Pogacar is better than 2023 levels now that he isnt riding with a fractured wrist, who woulda thougt

I know it's not your intention, but it kinda comes across as if you're claiming Pogacar had a fractured wrist during the Tour last year.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I know it's not your intention, but it kinda comes across as if you're claiming Pogacar had a fractured wrist during the Tour last year.

Not uncommon...

If Pogi loses time today this Tour is done. I think the Vingebot got the lastest software update on Monday. The way he caught Pogi on Col de Font de Cere was scary, especially for a guy with a punctered lung and fractured ribs 🙄

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

He sounded a bit incredulous at Pogi's level after the finish.

If so, seems interesting, Pog was rather stunned by JV's level after Stage 11.

 

[ppanther92]

Fabian Wegmann said in the ARD Tour podcast that today doesn't change anything, since this irregular climb suited Pogacar way more and Vingegaard will still win it in the steady long Alps climbs.

I don't agree but if a Vingegaard fan needs positive vibes - listen to Fabian Wegmann

 

[jmdirt]

Solid ride today, keep fighting JV!

 

[tobydawq]

Fabian Wegmann said in the ARD Tour podcast that today doesn't change anything, since this irregular climb suited Pogacar way more and Vingegaard will still win it in the steady long Alps climbs.

I don't agree but if a Vingegaard fan needs positive vibes - listen to Fabian Wegmann

Danish pundits also keep clinging to that straw.