Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[Race Radio]

so his 2012 values were dodgy? so why did 'Sir' Dave Brailsford, the leader of clean cycling, give him a contract then?

you'd have to think that the most scientifcally advanced cycling team the world has ever known would analyze the blood values of any rider they were about sign, right?

very strange

According to the article they relied on the blood tests taken earlier in the year by another team that was also interested in hiring him.

It is interesting that in his tests he did not show the results that would indicate he would be winning races, yet he ripped riders legs of when on form

 

[Dr. Maserati]

According to the article they relied on the blood tests taken earlier in the year by another team that was also interested in hiring him.

It is interesting that in his tests he did not show the results that would indicate he would be winning races, yet he ripped riders legs of when on form

Yip, that was the most startling part, Sky did not appear to have done their own tests on him even though he had obviously been on their radar as he trained with Sky early in 2012.

 

[martinvickers]

One thing that does come straight to mind is that if the difference between JTL this year and last year is drugs, then the drugs in this day and age are ****ing potent.

Does it not suggest, with such a leap above the hoi polloi, that the general peleton really is getting a bit better...

 

[martinvickers]

It sounds like he pulled a Wiggins.

Funny how Sky never bothered to examine his test numbers enough to see they were hiring a sketchy rider. Or maybe Brailsfraud does not care.

At least Vaughters checks this stuff out before hiring someone.

you need to read the Article instead of blowing smoke rings out your ***. The BP doesn't pick up one-off dodgy values - Garmin said his bloods were unexceptional - so normalish haemocrit etc. This was in March. But hee wasn't on the BP till after ToB.

But COMPARED WITH 2013, something was not right. BP doesn't pick up individual marks, it picks off patterns and wrongful patterns.

 

[martinvickers]

so his 2012 values were dodgy? so why did 'Sir' Dave Brailsford, the leader of clean cycling, give him a contract then?

No, they weren't - not of themselves. Not according to Garmin. Who tested him. You clearly don't understand the basic idea of the BP.

 

[martinvickers]

+1
Pat disappoint me if this is his revenge. I mean JTL? whatever..
Really was expecting more firework. This is not enough to bring out the popcorn.

Maybe it's the best he could do with the info he had...

 

[The Hitch]

Does it not suggest, with such a leap above the hoi polloi, that the general peleton really is getting a bit better...

Since Ashenden said he thought doping takes place now amongst pockets of organized dopers within teams, many here have suggested the theory that doping is more focused around the top and not neccesarily so rife at the bottom, so considering JTL won in very small races, not really no.

And he essentially took on the role of Giovani Visconti as dominant puncheur of the lower leagues, just as Visconti moved up to wt. Visconti is of course a Ferrari client. No change, just substitution.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

ok, so in fact sky could come out looking really good, if the conclusion is that he stopped juicing after joining sky.

What the conclusion would be is that Sky hired a guy who was a doper and they were either a) dumb enough not to realize it, or b) welcomed him with open arms and taught him how to do it properly.

 

[BroDeal]

you need to read the Article instead of blowing smoke rings out your ***. The BP doesn't pick up one-off dodgy values - Garmin said his bloods were unexceptional - so normalish haemocrit etc. This was in March. But hee wasn't on the BP till after ToB.

But COMPARED WITH 2013, something was not right. BP doesn't pick up individual marks, it picks off patterns and wrongful patterns.

You need to pull your head out of Brailsfraud's ass and stop making excuses for Sky's dodgy stance on doping. There are lots of things that can be seen with just a few data points of BP data. Off-scores do not require lots of data points. And for most riders there are too few data points taken to show much in the way of trends.

Why did not Brailsfraud detect something was wrong the moment JTL started racing and sucking compared to the previous year?

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

Does it not suggest, with such a leap above the hoi polloi, that the general peleton really is getting a bit better...

It's pelOton. PelOton.

Seriously.

 

[BroDeal]

Does it not suggest, with such a leap above the hoi polloi, that the general peleton really is getting a bit better...

Now take the next logical step and figure out what that says about Froome, Wiggins, Porte, and Horner.

 

[Race Radio]

many here have suggested the theory that doping is more focused around the top and not neccesarily so rife at the bottom, so considering JTL won in very small races, not really no.

I see it the other way around. The lower level of the sport are dirtier. Continental, U23..... limited testing. Lots of riders move up and go nowhere with the increased testing. Which is why SKY blew it with JTL. A seldom tested guy dominating the lower levels and they rely on one test by another team? That is just stupid. Really stupid.

 

[BroDeal]

I see it the other way around. The lower level of the sport are dirtier. Continental, U23..... limited testing. Lots of riders move up and go nowhere with the increased testing. Which is why SKY blew it with JTL. A seldom tested guy dominating the lower levels and they rely on one test by another team? That is just stupid. Really stupid.

Stupid like a fox. Obviously Brailsfraud did not want to find anything so he made sure he would not.

 

[the sceptic]

You need to pull your head out of Brailsfraud's ass and stop making excuses for Sky's dodgy stance on doping. There are lots of things that can be seen with just a few data points of BP data. Off-scores do not require lots of data points. And for most riders there are too few data points taken to show much in the way of trends.

Why did not Brailsfraud detect something was wrong the moment JTL started racing and sucking compared to the previous year?

my sources say he had a tailwind for the entire year

 

[BroDeal]

my sources say he had a tailwind for the entire year

I have it on good authority from thehog that Brailsfraud was waiting for Sky's marginal gains to kick in and bring JTL's passport back in line with 2012.

 

[martinvickers]

Stupid like a fox. Obviously Brailsfraud did not want to find anything so he made sure he would not.

Right. So explain to me again, why Brailsford brings in a rider he knows full well is doping to reach the level he's at...and then doesn't allow him to dope, thus unmasking him by reason of his new numbers, as evidenced by his shoddy bikeracing for Sky...because i'm at a loss to understand such genius...

 

[martinvickers]

It's pelOton. PelOton.

Seriously.

Chill.

I'll spell it KNICKERS if I want, m'kay?

 

[zlev11]

yeah you gotta give Brailsford a break here, he probably thinks it's completely normal for a rider to have a total transformation from nobody-to-ass kicker randomly in their late 20's

 

[hrotha]

yeah you gotta give Brailsford a break here, he probably thinks it's completely normal for a rider to have a total transformation from nobody-to-ass kicker randomly in their late 20's

Post of the day!

 

[BroDeal]

Right. So explain to me again, why Brailsford brings in a rider he knows full well is doping to reach the level he's at...and then doesn't allow him to dope, thus unmasking him by reason of his new numbers, as evidenced by his shoddy bikeracing for Sky...because i'm at a loss to understand such genius...

Yes, Vickers, explain how Brailsfrad, British cycling genius at large, could not figure out there was something seriously wrong with a talentless git who never accomplished anything but suddenly turned into a world beater at twenty-seven. It does not take a blood scientist to figure out something is seriously wrong. Brailsfraud did not see anything because he did not want to see anything. He was clearly hoping JTL would continue with what he was doing instead of pulling a Wiggins once he had a contract in hand.

 

[BroDeal]

Deep thoughts from Wilcockson and Peloton Magazine about JTL. You really cannot make this stuff up.

What the French do not grasp is that the new generation of successful non-Europeans are from countries--Australia, Great Britain and the U.S.--that emphasize hard work under the supervision of coaches and mentors who don't carry the baggage of Europe's culture of doping. Locke's mentor and onetime coach is Colin Lewis, a former British pro road champion and Tour de France rider, who has a strong anti-drug stance ever since he raced in Frqnce as an amateur in the 1960s.

Comedy gold.

 

[hrotha]

*tinfoil hat on*

Isn't Tiernan-Locke one of Andrew McQuaid's riders?

*tinfoil hat off*

 

[hfer07]

on Topic: there are two things that come to my mind about this issue: SKY management/Brailsford is either extremely confident they can literally get away with anything at all & simply disregard matters like JTL's suspicious blood values surfacing OR they're beginning to be sloppy/careless/ & mistakes like this one will be appearing from time to time, indicating that the ship has an enormous leak....

 

[Race Radio]

Deep thoughts from Wilcockson and Peloton Magazine about JTL. You really cannot make this stuff up.



Comedy gold.

Or this from the always defensive Roche

“It’s inevitable when someone wins so much,” said the former Tour de France winner Stephen Roche, who had ridden with Locke at a training camp in Mallorca that winter. “But this isn’t a two-faced *******, not a malicious guy, so I can’t begin to imagine that he has cheated. Even so, I’m crossing my fingers.”

 

[mewmewmew13]

Deep thoughts from Wilcockson and Peloton Magazine about JTL. You really cannot make this stuff up.

"Quote:
What the French do not grasp is that the new generation of successful non-Europeans are from countries--Australia, Great Britain and the U.S.--that emphasize hard work under the supervision of coaches and mentors who don't carry the baggage of Europe's culture of doping. Locke's mentor and onetime coach is Colin Lewis, a former British pro road champion and Tour de France rider, who has a strong anti-drug stance ever since he raced in Frqnce as an amateur in the 1960s."


Comedy gold.

...jaw-dropping
Did he not learn anything from us in the Clinic???